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CBA talks probably won’t restart until after Christmas

Dec 22, 2012, 8:18 PM EDT

Bill Daly

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and the NHLPA’s Steve Fehr actually spoke today, according to Sportsnet’s John Shannon. That’s newsworthy because it represents the first direct contact between the two sides since last Tuesday.

The union and NHL aren’t expected to meet before Christmas, but Shannon speculated that the negotiations should resume on Wednesday or Thursday at the latest.

Daly recently predicted that the two sides would need to come to a CBA agreement by mid-January if the season is to be saved.

Meanwhile, the players have authorized the NHLPA board to file a disclaimer of interest. It’s not clear when or if the union will exercise its new powers, but they reportedly have until Jan. 2 to decide.

The threat of the union dissolving might put pressure on the NHL to further compromise, but Daly previously warned that it might have the opposite effect.

“It makes it more difficult,” Daly said before the results of the player vote were known. “It changes the dynamic pretty significantly and, quite frankly, will have to change the focus short-term to a more adversarial focus than a bargaining focus. That can’t be helpful to the process in such a short time frame.”

  1. starsfan11 - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    But the deal is done right Joey?

    • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM

      Do you have any doubts ?

      • cbghockeyvideos87 - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

        hope so

      • manchestermiracle - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

        Only about you, Joey, only about you….

    • purp1234 - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:35 PM

      He should change his name to IDKjoey….All these promises of talks resuming is like George promising Lenny a farm in Of Mice and Men….

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:28 PM

        I’m no historian like sportsfan69 or Blomfeld, but compare this as my last stand, but unlike Custer’s last stand during the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876, I will survive and so will the NHL. “Done deal!” Hang in there hockey fans from coast to coast in Canada and the United States and around the world.

      • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM

        “It’s a good day to die” …

        Joey – Your analogy comparing this lockout to Custer’s desperate situation there on the slopes overlooking the Little Bighorn river, is both valid and appropriate. I’ve studied that engagement for years and I’ve had the good fortune of visiting the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument itself, as well as the surrounding area. In many ways you are like Custer, with many of us as your loyal troopers, caught up in a seemingly hopeless situation against overwhelming odds. The “fear” felt then by so many of those brave troopers is perhaps “metaphorically” no different than the fear which is being felt here today at PHT? And the dynamics of “group” fear is such that it can spread exponentially at a meteoric rate. One of the unfortunate byproducts of such fear is that the group will often turn on it’s own, especially those who still maintain hope. Another interesting parallel are the many here at PHT who have already succumbed to the worst, by vowing to quit hockey all together. Contrary to American folklore, not all of the troopers in Custer’s command died that day has legend would have it (ie: fighting to the last). Forensic evidence found after the battle, determined that a large number had died from “self-inflicted” gunshot wounds to the head, which was understandable given the circumstances.

        At any rate Joey, you mustn’t feel alone by acknowledging this to possibly be your last stand. If somehow there isn’t to be a season this year, then I suspect that we’re “all” finished here at PHT, not just you. And that includes the PHT writers too, who would have nothing left to write about. But let’s not think like that my friend. Let’s stay positive and look for the happy ending of “play resuming in January” that we all deserve ! :)


        Blomfeld: Joey, what’s your situation on the right ?

        Joey: We can’t hold ’em Blom … Sportfan’s line is collapsing and pulling back !

        Blomfeld: How about Valois’ people on the left ?

        Joey: Same thing … they’re badly damaged and asking “us” for help !

        Blomfeld: wait a minute .. did you hear that ? .. look, over there on the ridge !

        Joey: well I’ll be damned !… it’s Proudliberal’s company coming to our rescue !

        Blomfeld: that it is friend ! … I just knew we were gonna make it ! … :)

  2. sportsfan69 - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Merry Christmas to all my friends.

    Blomfeld, id4joey, and others. This site is great. Here’s a little cleavage for you.

    • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

      Thank you. Have a safe one.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM

      A Merry Christmas to you too sportsfan69.

      • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM

        To My Three Best Friends at PHT !

        Joey, Valois and Sportsfan … a very Merry Christmas to you friends and all the very best for 2013 ! :)

        ps: lead singer Mike Love was much lauded by band member Brian Wilson for the contribution of his “hip” lyrics when they were making this song … phrases like “cool cat” and “watch her peel” were considered cutting edge at the time ! :)

      • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

        sorry man .. I put in the wrong bloody video ! … here it is … :)

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

        To all the bros out there, blomfeld, valoisvipers, acieu, sportsfan, and others, Happy Holidays, and may 2013 bring us a “Done deal!”. Hockey rules! And to all you hoes….. What the hell. Happy Holidays to you too.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

        Blomfeld Thank you friend,I am looking forward reading more of your posts in 2013. You truly are a very smart guy, a great historian and a master of the English language. A very Merry Christmas to you and hockey in the New Year. Dustin Brown,Blomfeld and the Stanley Cup Kings rock.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:50 AM

        Joey It is always a pleasure to read your posts. Your insight,knowledge, sources or voices and of course your wit are unmatched. For which, I for one, am very grateful and appreciate you and your intelligent posts. A very Merry Christmas to you friend and of course hockey and a troll free New Year.

  3. sportsfan69 - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

  4. sportsfan69 - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM


    Go see the movie John Reacher. It’s good flick.

  5. sportsfan69 - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    I think CBA will be completed.

    • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 4:00 AM

      Konnte ich haben Sie bitte Ihre Aufmerksamkeit !

      *** special German Christmas video selection for Sportsfan69 ! ***

      Merry Christmas to you sir ! … from your friend Comrade Blomfeld :)

      • sportsfan69 - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:29 AM

        Herr Blomfield, Vielen Dank für die wunderbare Freundschaft. Speziell für Sie.

        Frohe Weihnachten

  6. mattyo99 - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    So basically Daly is saying they would risk destroying the league(more) if the PA followed through on the disclaimer, just to basically save a few buck$, too making no money at all.. Man the egos of these rich bricks

  7. dinklespiel - Dec 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Owners versus Players,
    Republicans versus Democrats.
    Everybody stand on their principals,
    As Sonny and Cher once said ” and the beat goes on, and on, and on……..

  8. manchestermiracle - Dec 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    Daly answers a perceived threat with a threat of his own and then claims what the union has done to negotiations “…(M)akes it more difficult.” Wow, does this guy ever listen to himself? The disconnect required to believe you are the only victim in the entire scenario must be enormous, and at least as large as his ego.

  9. mattyo99 - Dec 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    Daly is mearly Bettman’s monkey boy,even though there both morons, bettman shakes too much when talks so he makes Bill ‘the puppet’ Daly do it for him…hey maybe Daly is id4joeys “source”

  10. ducksk - Dec 22, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Get this please by now. It wouldn’t matter if J. Christ was speaking for NHL and mother Mary for PA. They are saying what both sides want them to say. Easy to shoot messenger on both sides. I’m Sick of seeing there faces too. Be aware some of the greatest men in the game past and present are trying to end this thing. I’m not giving up yet, I still believe in Santa though.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:56 AM

      Keep the faith ducksk I am with you friend and we don’t ride alone.Merry Christmas ducksk and hockey in the New Year.

      • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:58 AM

        I second that ! …

        Merry Christmas Ducksk and don’t forget that we ride as “one” in the Cavalry of Hope ! :)

  11. fortwaynekomets - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    “quite frankly, will have to change the focus short-term to a more adversarial focus than a bargaining focus” – Daly

    what a crock of $hit!
    what they have been doing the entire season is adversarial.
    the owners are not out to make a deal, OBVIOUSLY.
    700 games cancelled = sticking it to the fans and waiting until they get what they want!

  12. litsince - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    I’m tired of feeling expendable! The NHL needs to get there head out of there A**! Bettman and the owners act like the fans will be there no matter what? I propose, and I know it will be tough, that however many games we have lost. That we will boycott the same number of games. Hit them where it hurts.

  13. litsince - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Speaking to the true fans, I hope that everyone has refused to get gifts of NHL apparel for Christmas! Hit’em where it hurts

    • manchestermiracle - Dec 23, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      I’m hoping the NHL gets a big lump of coal in its stocking.

  14. blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    So the number was “48” then all along …

    Many of us have known from the beginning that this entire business is nothing more than a “contrived” charade with a “predetermined” start date at some point into the season. Fehr is nothing more than a “payed” patsy reading from a prepared script and the entire NHLPA has about as much sway here as a bunch of hapless penguins would have over global warming. What we didn’t know however, was what Bettman’s “predetermined” start date would actually be? Through analysis and deduction, I had estimated that an agreement would be reached during the week of Nov 5-10. And though it did look promising during that week, in the end it wasn’t to be. Yet now as events unfold and approach a climax, the end game which Bettman had in mind all along is now starting to become crystal clear to us … we will have a shortened 48 game season and it will commence in January! So basically this is an exact facsimile of the NBA experience last year and basically this is a remedy for the NHL’s financial ills which was no doubt prescribed by the good doctors at Proskauer Rose.

    Oh well, all’s well that ends well eh ? Merry Christmas everyone (ie: detractors and haters included) and let’s look forward to talking about some “real” hockey in January ! :)

    • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:01 AM

      Blomfeld it seems you were right all along only off on the when.Good stuff!
      Good times= Stanley Cup Champion LA Kings.

      • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 2:03 AM

        *** Special KHL “Disco” video selection for comrade Valoisvipers ! ***

  15. denverdude7 - Dec 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM

    Until hockey can control fighting by immediately ejecting the players involved it will never be a real sport. As it is right now, it is just boxing on ice skates.

    Until the NHL can figure this out… just go away and stay away. Good riddance !!!

    • acieu - Dec 23, 2012 at 8:59 AM

      My experience is 30 years as an on ice official in junior and professional hockey. I have an evolving view on fighting and would have it call for an automatic game ejection. But to call the game “boxing on ice” may be the dumbest comment I have ever seen on this site. You don’t have a clue. Game misconduct for you.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM

        acieu I don’t mind a fair fight that happens in the heat of battle but can’t stand the prearranged brawls at the drop of the puck.Joyeux Noël et bonne année à vous ami.

  16. omniusprime - Dec 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    Nice to see that both sides can agree on not talking to each other for a few more days. Now to see if they can agree to cancel the season of the most pathetic excuse for a pro sport. The best thing that could happen to the NHL is for it to collapse. Maybe then someone can put together a pro hockey league where they actually play hockey, not be just a bunch of padded sissies with sticks on ice seeing who can get in the best cheap shot.

    Hockey Stick – Apply Directly to the Forehead!!!

    Na na na na, Na na na na, Hey-ey Goodbye!!!

  17. acieu - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM


    • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 10:56 AM

      Joyeuse fête! Bonne et heureuse année! J’espère que 2013 va venir avec du hockey de la LNH. J ai hâte de voir une game au Centre Bell. Je suis de retour de la Calfornie pour la première hiver depuis 12 ans, et il y a un lockout. Je vais assûrement suivre les championnats mondial junior. À plus tard.

  18. acieu - Dec 23, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    It will be a joyful time but think I woud rather have kept my California string alive. Altough being at the Bell Centre for an NHL game might tempt me to venture into winter!!!! My picks for the best tournament the world except for the SC are as follows:

    1) Russia
    2) Canada 😦
    3) Finland
    4) USA

    For those who may not have experienced Junior Hockey and the WJC if you are Stateside get the NHL network and be prepared for a look at the NHLfuture stars if the league exists. A bientot!

    • blomfeld - Dec 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM

      Acieu – I agree with your picks, which are very astute. But you never know eh ? :)

      Speaking of Russians however, one of my favorite hockey days in recent memory was here at the Olympics in 2010, when I went with some friends to the Russian “Sochi” pavilion. I was wearing my old “self-made” Tretiak #20 Soviet CCCP jersey and man was I ever a hit in that joint ! … especially with the Russian ladies working there ! 😉 I was even interviewed by Russian TV ! It was a great time and the only downer was that I missed Tretiak himself by about ten minutes. It’s my goal to one day meet him properly wearing my glorious old #20 Soviet CCCP jersey !

      ps: as a young salesman on a business trip to Toronto back in December of 1990, I ran into him at the entrance of a hotel … but I was too shy to speak up and so I passed by him without saying anything … 😦

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