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Report: NHL, union unlikely to meet this weekend

Dec 21, 2012, 3:22 PM EDT

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The silence continues as we creep towards the mid-January deadline to save the season.

The expectation is that the CBA talks will not resume this weekend, according to Sportsnet’s John Shannon. The negotiations have been essientally stalled since the dramatic collapse of the players-owners meetings on Dec. 6.

Federal mediators were brought in, but their presence failed to jump start the process. Instead, the biggest news on the CBA front is that the players have overwhelmingly voted to authorize the union’s executive board to file a disclaimer of interest. The NHLPA reportedly has until Jan. 2 to make such a filing, if they chose to do so at all.

Such a move could put pressure on the league to offer a new compromise, although NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly previously argued that it “can’t be helpful to the process in such a short time frame.”

But hey, if you need a silver lining, the NHLPA has expressed a willingness to work through the holidays. So, there’s that…

  1. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Report: fans unlikely to care.

    • bigtganks - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:05 AM

      Yet there are a ton of messages in this thread (including mine because I do care). Those articles about someone playing well in the ECHL or whatever have zero comments because that’s where fans don’t care. Not here.

  2. phillyphanatic77 - Dec 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    What a surprise! Is there anyone who actually believed they would show initiative and urgency here? I think we’ve all learned to expect nothing but the worst in these “negotiations”

    • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:29 AM

      Not meeting doesn’t equate to not talking. Can you say thank you Alexander Graham Bell and David Davies for their contributions that allow us to communicate without being in the same room?

      • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        Alexander Graham Bell (March 3, 1847 – August 2, 1922) was an eminent scientist, inventor, engineer and innovator who is credited with inventing the first practical telephone.[N 1]

        Bell’s father, grandfather, and brother had all been associated with work on elocution and speech, and both his mother and wife were deaf, profoundly influencing Bell’s life’s work.[3] His research on hearing and speech further led him to experiment with hearing devices which eventually culminated in Bell being awarded the first US patent for the telephone in 1876.[N 2] In retrospect, Bell considered his most famous invention an intrusion on his real work as a scientist and refused to have a telephone in his study.[5][N 3]

        Many other inventions marked Bell’s later life, including groundbreaking work in optical telecommunications, hydrofoils and aeronautics. In 1888, Bell became one of the founding members of the National Geographic Society.[7] He has been described as one of the most influential figures in human history.[8] … Wikipedia

        PS Joey: On a sidebar, I’m inclined to note that despite all of the much ballyhooed “technological” progress these past few years, we humans as a species are doing nothing more than “treading water” in my opinion … in fact we may even be going backwards? It’s almost laughable when you consider people like Alexander Bell and the telephone, the Wright brothers and manned flight, Robert Fulton and the steam engine … and then compare them to these new-age “idiotic” and meaningless tripe like texting, sexting, tweeting, skyping, e-books, e-photos, e-dating, e-travelling, e-games, etc.

      • badintent - Dec 22, 2012 at 7:32 PM

        Thank you for Bell’s bio, nice work. I liked the movie on his life too. Please run a clip from it . Happy Holidays.

  3. ironmike778 - Dec 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Do these jack rabbits really think fans want a 40 game season?? Pack it ip, pack it in….

  4. gcbean - Dec 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Still a shyt show.

  5. id4joey - Dec 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    There is no way in hell this guys won’t meet soon. Remember what Bergeron said, “Done deal!” His words, not mine. They deal just needs to be ratified, legalized and signed. Whatever the high price lawyers at Proskauer Rose do for a living.

    • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM

      Proskauer Rose: Proskauer Rose LLP (formerly known as Proskauer, Rose, Goetz & Mendelsohn, LLP) is a large law firm in the United States that is headquartered in New York City. The firm was founded in 1875 and currently has thirteen offices worldwide.

      Proskauer is highly regarded for its labor and employment, litigation, corporate, private equity, finance, and intellectual property law departments. However, the firm is often in the headlines for its sports law group and celebrity clientele.

      Proskauer represents almost every major sports organization, including the NBA, NHL, NFL, MLS, MLB, and Pac-12, as well as entertainment players and organizations, including Madonna, U2, Kanye West, Bon Jovi, Matisyahu, Lady Gaga, RCA Records, Sony Music Entertainment, The Recording Academy, and MGM.

      Executive Summary: Proskauer Rose is a “parasitic” organization which earns vast fortunes, by parlaying people’s “insatiable” desire for mindless and meaningless entertainment into shameless and “pure” greed-driven profit.

      • badintent - Dec 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM

        My friend worked for them in the 80’s , they had many senior partners leave when Nixon was brought in for a few years. The 1987 real estate crash resulted in 25 out of 31 lawyers in my friend’s real estate law department let go over 12 months. He said it “was the “Grim Reaper ” days, waiting to get the pink slip.And no time to look for another job with mandatory billing at over 275 hrs a month.Big $$, but high blood pressure.

  6. acieu - Dec 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Attending the big Southern Professional Hockey League game in Augusta tonight. Hockey is a southern sport!!!!!. At least here in Georgia tonight!!!!!!

  7. ducksk - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Folks, stuff IS happening behind the seen, GM’s involved, a 48 game season with mostly division play on board. Not saying it will happen or won’t. But there is some action. On the down low. I know, I know, heard it before….but GM’s are now moving. I am not giving up hope! But then it could to shyt again.

    • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 12:46 AM

      Joey, ducksk, acieu and other assorted friends …

      Close rank and be at the ready, as things are now “definitely” going to happen ! … and if you want a source for that, then just have a look up above, somewhere there beyond the blue yonder ! :)

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 22, 2012 at 6:20 AM

      Comrade Ducksk,

      Thanks for the information.

  8. matt8204 - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    Drop dead, NHL.

  9. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Thank God. I’d hate to see them rush into anything. Pieces of crap.

  10. spongebobsportspants - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Hockey Buzz Eklund is at it again. He says secret meetings may happen soon. That guy is so wrong so often it’s like his gimmick. It’s like a bad Enquirer, no facts but fun to read.

  11. capsrockva - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    I don’t care how it gets done as long as it does. get it done. After that I hope the owners fire Bettman

    • mp1131211 - Dec 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM

      Yeah, they would be much better off if they could just walk out on the players directly instead of hiring some douche to do it for them. ….. wait a minute! they already tried that!

  12. sportsfan69 - Dec 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Donald Fehr explains the Economics of the NHL to Gary Bettman. Gary shakes his head, explains the financial realities of the game to Donald.

    • badintent - Dec 21, 2012 at 10:51 PM

      Nice ! But we all could have used the” Dice man ” video more for the laughs , we need some now .

  13. trick9 - Dec 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Why would they meet?

    I mean sorry if im offending someone but i think i speak for the majority of the fans when i say that we saw this coming when they canceled even more games. That message was basically saying that alright, we won’t have season starting in the december 31st. Just leave us alone during the christmas holidays.

  14. sportsfan69 - Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    The NHL is pushing the NHLPA into a corner. The NHL is done being mislead by making any further concessions. The Whole provision for example. Each time they do, Fehr brings up a new one. It’s time for the players to make a concession.

    Offer a 10/8 CBA, then the NHL may offer the players a 6/8 max contract provision.

    Oh, we have a deal. It’s Donald’s move to make first. “Put One Foot in Front of the Other.”

    • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM

      The NHL has not made any real concessions, all they’ve done is move a few inches to the center from Bettmans ridiculous first offer. That means they’ve conceded things that they never actually had. The players have given up real dollars, even if it’s not enough to satisfy the owners. The bottom line is the owners have made large gains while the players have lost plenty.

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:39 AM

        The players role in the current business model of the NHL is to earn money from the owners, and the owners role is to compensate/give money.. Owners take from us, give to players and other entities and pay themselves. Hardly rocket science and a unique business model. The players HAVE not taken one dime from their bank accounts to give back to the owners. The owners want to give less to the players, or reduce withdrawals from their bank accounts. So, the players have given jack squat. If anything, they are shooting themselves in the foot because they have no business acumen.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:30 PM

        No the players have not written personal checks to the owners. And I understand the NHL business model. But when you compare the potential deal in this CBA compared to the last CBA, the players have made huge concessions. Then compare it to the CBA before the last lockout and it becomes obvious that the players have been the ones consistently giving things up. Meanwhile, the owners and the league have done nothing but gain almost all of the things they wanted. You cannot argue that point, it’s fact. And comparing the last two CBA’s with this potential CBA is the model you have to use, because it shows the tangible concessions and gains made. You can’t just wash out history and simply look to the current negotiations when you want to see the actual give and take between the NHLPA and the NHL. That’s what I was alluding to. And when you consider the leagues recent history it is obvious that it is the owners who have given jack squat.

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 4:54 PM

        Ok. We can play the comparison game. I hear you about previous CBAs, and regardless of the changes player salaries have increased dramatically. Like I said we can compare many ways. How about we compare the NHL owners latest offer with CBAs from other major sports? Seems to me they are on par. No?

  15. oldcat157 - Dec 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Whooooooo! Great Xmas present. Can’t stand watching ESPN highlights of hockey. Mo’ prime time coverage of the NFL and NBA! Merry Xmas!

  16. ron05342 - Dec 21, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    First of all, an a-hole like D. Fehr will never give up his power, meaning that f&%king letter is never getting filed.

    So its basically just a bluff, and a bad one at that, because it appears the NHL isn’t going to give two sh*ts whether there is a season or not.

    Unfortunately, this is looking more and more like 2004-05 and I never thought I would be saying that, but there it is. 😦

  17. acieu - Dec 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Huntsville leads Augusta 1-0 after two. I Feel Good at the James Brown Arena.

    • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 12:52 AM

      hey man … I made a visit to Augusta this past March during some free time on a business trip … played a couple of rounds at Augusta Municipal, toured the town and civic museum, absolutely loved it ! … take it easy ! :)

      • valoisvipers - Dec 22, 2012 at 11:32 AM

        Blomfeld Now I am jealous! Couple of rounds at Augusta in March is just what the doctor ordered.

      • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        Valoisvipers – It was a fantastic weekend for me there in Augusta! Being only a couple of weeks before the Masters, I had visions of myself simply jumping a fence and then strolling the beautiful fairways at Augusta National. We lo and behold that was not to be, as this entire joint was secured like some top secret military installation! I had to settle for just a view down Magnolia Lane from the main entrance, which was still great. Anyway, Augusta itself is a beautiful town that’s absolutely teeming with history. The James Brown museum and playing Augusta Municipal were two of my favorite things … :)

  18. flyeredup - Dec 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Hockey Buzz Eklund is like peeing into a fan. He’s a goof.

  19. cspsrbums - Dec 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Here here Philly
    The players are the only one that have giving anything . Owners haven’t moved one inch. And every time they don’t get their way they walkout like kids. The players haven’t stopped negotiating once , how many times have the owners taking their ball and quit. Stand sting players don’t give another inch . The hell with the owners their was was a better way to do this whole process rather then locking the players out and trying to force them to sign. Players start a new league

    • valoisvipers - Dec 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

      cspsrbums Do you ever think things through or do you hear things for the first time after you say them? You want the players to start a league of their own. Wonderful, now if they only had an arena in a good hockey market,oh wait they are owned already by billionaire owners that they just pi$$ed off. Well they could build them but that would take years. Oh yeah the financing, well the bank would surely bankroll them with all of their business experience they have gathered while playing hockey.Now lets say all that happens then the current players would now be owners of new teams and new players and those dastardly new buggers want a CBA that gives them 57% of HRR or they will strike. Welcome to the new NHL.

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:55 AM

        Hear, hear, valoisvipers. Well said. I have to admit cspsrbums tossed a fat juicy lob ball. Hahahahaha

    • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 8:52 AM

      Again, you can’t give what you don’t have. Owners give out money in the form of salaries. Players take that money as compensation for services rendered. and its guaranteed mind you. Now the owners are saying they want to change the rules because they want to make less withdrawals from their business bank accounts. This usually happens when the employee/owner labor contract is up. This is not a unique business model. The players ultimately will choose to lose how much money they will lose this year by refusing to sign a deal. So, the notion thatbplayers are the only giving up anything is nonsense. Bottom line the owners are the financial risk takers, and the players are the benefactors of the owners investment.

      • smssr68 - Dec 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM


        Did you read the article on the Edmonton Oilers stadium situation? Their owner wants a taxpayer funded arena. Oh and they want $6,000,000 a year to run it. Or they’ll take any leftovers from arena taxes. Where do you see any financial risk there? Give me an arena and then pay me to run it, lots of risk involved there.

      • woodstakes - Dec 22, 2012 at 12:56 PM

        smssr68 excellent point man… took the words right out of my mouth. I keep hearing about all the ‘risks’ the owners have to take all the time. When in more and more situations their biggest risk is funded by tax payers. Then once they get their muiti-purpose arena’s they get additional money for all the other events that run there as well.

      • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        smssr68 – What Joey says is correct, however you’re also correct. What Katz is trying to do in Edmonton is becoming more and more the common trend across the entire sports landscape … the attempt to circumvent “personal” risk with “taxpayer” funded risk, by waving the prospect of jobs and economic growth (ie: tax revenues) in the faces of desperate local civic governments. While such behavior is consistent with vermin, it is nonetheless a very shrewd and effective strategy when pulled off correctly.

  20. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 21, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    I got a Christmas present in the mail from the Penguins today (for being a season ticket holder.) It was earbuds in a case with the Pens logo, with a card that suggests I use the earbuds to, ahem: LISTEN TO THE GAMES. I thought I was being Punk’d.

  21. buffalo65 - Dec 22, 2012 at 4:03 AM

    I didn’t know espn ever showed hockey highlights.

  22. id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    This is hardly a new concept. Businesses are always looking for government support to help with generating businesses. Tax credits are common and some governments oblige. it profits them to a certain extent because businesses pay taxes on sales of goods and services generated by the presence of an NHL team.

  23. id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    woodstakes, if there is no risk then why are teams not owned by governments? Hell! Taxpayers should by a few teams them.

    • woodstakes - Dec 23, 2012 at 1:09 AM

      In my opinion we do.. every time we shell out for another arena/stadium we should get money back every year afterword for putting up the funds to build them. As to the point of the post… My point was the fact of the matter is the owners take about 2 REAL risks when it comes to owning a franchise. The first is coming up with funds to buy into the league… not really a risk although they do have to come up with a large amount of capitol. Then its their stadium/arena.. after that what risks do they put up in a business model that makes $3.3 Billion?? Back to the arena’s… they usually put up.. what 1/3 of the capital to build them?? Even then its some private investors that come along and then the rest gets paid by us. Here’s the risk they have… they are stuck with what ever the NHL says they have to do in order to market their teams. They can only make money on whatever revenue streams the league ok’s. So yeah I guess that’s sorta risky since you are not in total control of the revenue that comes in. However if the NHL did things the right way, there would be little to no risk… but instead they want to try to have it both ways. They want teams to function as they do in MLB but stay fairly evenly competitive with a salary cap like the NFL, but don’t want to do what the other leagues do when they decided to institute a salary cap. Which is a real revenue sharing program. According to the Forbes article if you add up ALL of the operating losses accrued they equal: $129.5M in losses combined by ALL the leagues teams that showed operating income losses. Meanwhile the top 12 teams in the league showed operating profits of: $349.3M. Now what do you think would happen in the NFL or NBA?? My guess is they would find a way to do a revenue share that based on percentages of revenue the largest shares a larger portion will the lower shares less. Wow… rocket science!

      I hear people say “How is it fair for 3 teams to prop everyone else?” Well, first of all these Team OWNERS along with Bettman decided to put these teams where they are. Next, after deciding to put them where they are and watching them fail for well over a decade now… they decide to keep them there. Not only do they decide to keep them there… they even purchased one of them just insure they stayed there. So since the players didn’t walk in and say “Move a franchise here and expand here…” how is it fair for the players to “prop up everyone else?” to cover they’re collective bad business decisions? If it was just limited to the expansion’s/relocations I’d almost be ok with it since they tried to grow and failed. Yet every year I see them drive the player salaries up and up and up to try to build a team to win the cup and then once the CBA expires they want to hit a reset button and go back to the mid ’90’s salaries. They’ve repeatedly shown that they will find any and every way to circumvent the CBA in order to beat the cap hit. Now if the players just fold you will see this every single time the CBA expires, why?? Because what will be enough? Just breaking even? $10 M profits+ only?? $20 M+?? There’s always going to the need for more.

      • id4joey - Dec 23, 2012 at 9:37 AM

        Coming up with the funds is not a risk, however, taking those funds and investing them in any business is a risk, including an NHL franchise. Anytime you dish out money and expect a return on your investment your putting your money at risk unless you’re as corrupted as Goldman Sachs. I don’t understand how following whatever guidelines the NHL imposes is a risk. In business I would think this is considered an issue, and a known issue before one purchases a team. Once an issue is known, then you can plan around it. Anyway! My take away from your post, and correct me if I’m wrong, we agree that there is a financial risk associated with buying a hockey team.

  24. cspsrbums - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Valoisvipers I mean Id4joey, or blom never mind you all the same. As we can see we got you to bite with the players starting a league comment you are a complete loser if you have to respond back to nonsense like that. I new it would stir you. But on the other position that the players haven’t giving an inch you are F**king stupid wether its give back money now or letting the owners keep a bigger piece of the Pie is the same thing moron. Do you really think the players should just sign everything away with this CBA you not only Stupid your crazy. Yes the players need to take a cut and they are willing to but they should not and they will not be strong armed and threatened to be locked out by the owners every time they want to change the CBA to their satisfaction. It’s not all about the money all the time they can play in any league and probably live pretty comfortably and still a lot better off then you or I. These owners aren’t investing anything they are playing the game with money brought in by the players and then crying broke . Did the players walkout of any negotiations no. Did the players stike no could this have been approached a better way at the beginning yes. This mess is all on the owners. The NHL will never be the same nor should . So with that said you and you so call alter egos can go F** ck yourself you really need to get a life, and grow up there is a world out there goes wit maybe you will find a woman or better off a man for you to occupy your time so the adults can have real conversations here.

    • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      “you so call alter egos can go F** ck yourself” ? …

      Well Merry Christmas back to you friend ! :) The bottom line is that rarely in life are things fair. Instead you just have to do your best with the hand that your dealt … or at least that’s the idea. And that’s applies to virtually everything in life, whether that’s the race and gender of ourselves as individuals, the family we were born into, the weather, the economy, etc. So sure the players can say “no” to the owners and their demands by refusing to sign, as that’s their prerogative. No different than it’s our prerogative to go and jump off a cliff if we so chose.

    • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM

      Holly crap! I hope you don’t own any guns.

  25. cspsrbums - Dec 22, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    Oh yea Now go away

    • blomfeld - Dec 22, 2012 at 3:19 PM

      By the way, the level of sheer “stupidity” among some of you guys with this “multiple handle” theory of yours is positively dumbfounding. In real “everyday” life, I don’t consider myself to be any better or any worse than the next guy. But here at PHT, the apparent naivete of some of you people can make one feel almost feel like a genius! Thanks man! :)

      ps: did I wish you a Merry Christmas already? … if not then here it is again … Merry Christmas friend and all the best for 2013 ! :)

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 5:03 PM

        Hear, hear.

        Signed valoisvipers, aka blomfeld. Lol!

      • id4joey - Dec 22, 2012 at 5:09 PM

        Repost from the future;
        blomfeld: who am I?

        id4joey: you are blomfeld.

        blomfeld: who are you?

        id4joey. I’m blomfeld.

        blomfeld: what? Are we the same person?

        id4joey: Yep! I’m actually the much wiser and older you. I’m from the future.

        blomfeld: why are you here?

        Id4joey: to watch over you while others on PHT blast you about your crazy conspiracy theory. You’re not listening to me. Yes! There will be hockey this season, but, no. It wasn’t a conspiracy. I found out from a friend on PHT.

        blomfeld: who is this friend you speak of?

        id4joey: Joey. Good guy. Bloody intelligent person. I use this alias as a tribute to him. Well! Got to go now.

        blomfeld: why?

        id4joey: Our beloved Kings won their 4 Stanley Cup, and Joey and me are going to the rally. BTW, Elvis is alive and they found Jimmy Hoffa buried in cement. Oh! Crosby is now NHL commissioner and the NHLPA union director is Ed Snider III.

        Signed valoisvipers.

  26. tobie1003 - Dec 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Go see a local college game. My son plays for wvu. They have some great games

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