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PHT Polls: Will there be a season? Who do you blame? Which 80s movie is best? And more!

Dec 17, 2012, 11:58 AM EDT

It’s pretty slow in hockey these days, so here are some polls to pass the time. Maybe we’ll learn a few things about PHT readership. Especially the marijuana one.

Feel free to debate below. We’d love to hear your justification for best 80s movie. (BTW, it’s Caddyshack.)

  1. manchestermiracle - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    No, it isn’t Caddyshack. A great flick, but it’s still about golf. My vote went to Raiders of the Lost Ark.

    Good to see a clear majority have put the blame for this lockout squarely where it belongs: On the owners.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:59 PM

      How about “Back to the Future”?

      It would be nice to go back in time during the 80′s and early 90′s when players like Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossy Stantsy (The dad) Hawerchuk, Yzerman, Hull, Robitaille, Coffey were putting skill on display each and every night. And bring that kind of entertainment value to today’s NHL

  2. broadstbully33 - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Yea cuz fehr has nothing to do with it.

    • mgp1219 - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM

      Fehr wouldn’t have been needed if the owners weren’t the way they are. I think the players learned from the last time they caved to the owners in CBA negotiations.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM

        The average salary went up from 1.7 million to 2.4 million during the greatest recession since the great depression!, and league parity became the norm so that a different team has won the stanley cup for the last 9 years! Soooooooo, what exactly did the player’s “learn” again?

        Slant it any way you want. The cap, the more balanced HRR….it worked out, and the numbers prove it.

        There are 6 to 8 teams that still struggle which is down from the 20! that did before. It’s 7 fffing percent and guess what…the players don’t lose jobs because teams don’t have to contract!…..They should have just taken the 50/50 split and played the 82 games and we all would have been better off.

      • woodstakes - Dec 18, 2012 at 12:40 AM

        Umm ucaneverscorenoughgoals, they did accept a 50/50 split. The share in revenue is not the hold up here.

      • manchestermiracle - Dec 18, 2012 at 1:17 AM

        ucan: If it “worked out” why did the owners choose to lock the players out again? The owners browbeat the players into accepting the last CBA (which the owners now claim is bankrupting them) and they are trying to repeat the whole charade all over again. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Talk about slanting it any way you want….

  3. tfaltin - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    So vast majoritites would like to get rich the easy way, and have marijuana legalized. Correlation? Personally I’d rather make money through being better than my competition, and be able to wake up every morning and think “I earned this.” I’d also like to see marijuana taxed severely so those buying lottery tickets and smoking pot can take on a bit more of the tax burden. Clearly they have the time and money. (excluding anyone who has legitimate reasons for medicinal marijuana usage)

    • tfaltin - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

      As far as the lockout goes, everyone sucks at this point. The first couple months were on the owners for wanting the letters CBA replaced with an UNDO button from the last agreement. Recently Fehr’s ego is in the way and the last agreement should be been a win for both sides and the puck should have been dropped….

      I really need some Christmas cheer.

      • tatdue - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        I’d love for you to explain to me how the last demand from the owners would have in any way been a win scenario for the players? As far as I have seen there is not going to be any chance of a win scenario for the players at all. There was only ever going to be damage control for the players period. The only people gaining anything in this thing are the owners, and the problem is the owners don’t know when enough is enough. They got their 50/50 split of HRR, and the players have offered a way to stop the long term cap circumventing contracts but that is not enough for the owners. They are insisting that its their way or nothing and that is not negotiating. There is and never was a win in this for the players, at least not from these greedy ba$tards…..

    • r4n6er - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      The questions wasn’t which would you find more personally rewarding, instead it asks which would you prefer. So tfaltin I ask you this, would you prefer to be paid 1 million dollars for 20 years in a hard labor camp, or would you prefer 1 million dollars giving to you? Staying true to your post, I would say that you are in fact the best hard laborer in the camp. You stand shovel and pick axe above the rest. Deep down you know that you earned it and are better than the rest. On the topic of the lottery if the federal government would create a national lottery we could be out of debt in 5 years.

      • tfaltin - Dec 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

        Well you succeeded in drawing out the most dramatic scenario. How about having an idea, getting a patent, growing a company, seeing something rise from nothing? And you’re right in that I did interpret the question as what I’d find more fulfilling/rewarding as opposed to what would be the most convenient. I do work hard, I always have, and that is something I’m proud of. There are far too many people who make excuses all day long for why they are where they are in life, and choose to blame the government for their situation. Stay in school, don’t take extra breaks, god forbid get in early or stay late. Smoke if you want to if it means less of my money being zapped through taxes. While you’re eating junk food I’ll work for that next promotion.

        tatdue – It’d be a win because they’d be getting paid now, and the owners played ball and gave the 300 mill make whole figure the players had been gunning for. McKenzie broke down the numbers, the contract length cap of 5 years would affect a slight minority of players. The CBA length would be great for the sport in that it’d provide a little stability, plus it had a mutual opt out clause.

    • kitshky - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM

      Well I dunno about anyone else but I’d rather win the lottery because it’s much easier to make money when you have money …and if you’re giving me a choice, I’d rather start with money.

  4. alexbaymac - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    They are BOTH jerks, doing the people they work for an injustice by wasting the momentum the league had going for it, plus nearly an entire season, just trying to make a name for themselves.

  5. matt8204 - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Go ahead, cancel the season. Frankly, I wouldn’t wince if we never see an NHL game again. There are far bigger problems in the world aside from this nonsense. Forgo billions of dollars, go work a real job and experience the bull!@#$ that regular folks must endure on a daily basis. I have no sympathy for any of them.

    • r4n6er - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      Would you say the same thing to a doctor that is considered the best in his/her field? Enough of your whining about money just be happy you’re a doctor. It takes years of conditioning, training and raw talent to make it in the NHL. Before you make the argument about doctors saving lives look to the stars that donate millions to hospitals and charities and tell me that hasn’t helped people. If it was so simple wouldn’t we all be pro hockey players?

  6. ibieiniid - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    while i’m not surprised Beverly Hills Cop isn’t the top pick for 80s movie, i AM surprised it had like 3% when I voted. tough to beat Eddie Murphy… especially back in the day

    • ibieiniid - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM

      only 3%*

  7. lordfletcher - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    is it sad that this may be my favorite article from PHT ever

    ;)

    • lordfletcher - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      No
      Fehr
      Bettman
      Falcons (just because I made a 24/1 bet before the season started $50)
      The Empire Strikes Back
      Stay about the same
      Yes (could care less tho)
      Sham
      Lottery. only because that is wealthy, not rich. Would rather earn Bill Gates money but lets be honest…..

  8. billsin20xx - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    How can anyone say it’s not the owners when they signed all those guys last summer to long term big money contracts, and them locked the players out and said they can’t afford the terms of the contracts? In particular Jacobs and Leipold seem to be especially worthy of blame for this mess.

    • lordfletcher - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM

      Leipold made two free agent signings (ever) and you throw him in the convo… meh. He was just trying to put fans in the stands and compete with larger markets, I can’t blame him for his thought process at all. Now should those two deals happen in a league that financially can’t afford them, no… but he was playing in the current rules and tried to better his club. If your club got both players I bet you anything you’d be singing a different tune…. It’s a collective whole (owners / Gary / Fehr / players union / player agents / everything).

      You are crazy to blame one more than the other when both are clearly at fault here… if you have to choose one like the poll indicates, makes sense but reality is this was long brewing and no one should be shocked by what is currently taking place, especially the players.

      • billsin20xx - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM

        I had no problem with the signings, it’s good to see a team become relevant again. If I am wrong let me know, but isn’t he one of the main negotiators trying now to ban/reduce those type of contracts? That’s whats wrong, if he signed those guys and sat back, no problems. But signing them then trying to demand they be banned, that’s a problem…

      • lordfletcher - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM

        Yes he is, but as in moving forward not towards the deals he made this past season.

        It was an odd stance for him to take but he is wanting this for a future aspect of the game, not past. He is willing to pay the contracts he signed to both Parise and Suter, he just doesn’t want them to keep happening each free agent year. These types of contracts kill the middle to low market teams. I am sure Nashville is just bleeding dollars right now and there are around 10 squads that cannot afford those deals anyhow, it makes the ‘fair’ salary cap not so fair after all.

      • billsin20xx - Dec 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        Sorry, but maybe his goals are good but his timing isn’t. You don’t come across as believable in negotiations when you spend the $’s he spent and a few weeks later start crying the contracts aren’t fair.

    • duster1982 - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:16 PM

      and why do you think those players took the huge bonuses/lockout insurance with those contracts? They knew this was coming. Poor argument

  9. redwingsfan999 - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    The Griswold’s

  10. lapsncaps - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    No Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure?

  11. rockthered1286 - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    I’m sorry, the correct answer for best 80′s movie is Coming To America.

  12. badintent - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    When you combine Caddyshack Bill and Empire Strikes back, you get GHOSTBUSTERS !! THE BEST,. I lived next to the San Remo building, it’s got a lot of freaking folks doing strange things.

  13. sheckyrimshot - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    well i no longer have to ask what you all are smoking, but come on, bettman in the 100 meter dash? he has such tiny tiny legs. it would be like an ostrich racing a dachshund.

  14. blomfeld - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Duran Duran was the quintessential 80′s band ! … and guess what kids ? … they actually played instruments back then ! … I know it’s hard to believe but it’s true ! :)

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

      Awesome band! Comrade Blomfeld.

  15. micklethepickle - Dec 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    What, no love for “Invasion USA”??? Norris singlehandedly defeats the communists!

    Runner-up is Teen Wolf, for the boner shot easter egg at the end. Hilarious. What was going on in Hollywood in the 1980s? I wasn’t aware cocaine caused hallucinations, but they MUST’VE been trippin’ balls to put out the bizarre cinema that was everywhere then.

  16. mp1131211 - Dec 17, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Could it be that…. ALL parties are responsible for the lockout?

  17. sampulls - Dec 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Players have their heads up their @sses.
    Is that clear enough?

  18. acieu - Dec 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    IsvSidney Crosby’s favorite movie is Notebook?

  19. sammydog99 - Dec 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    I haven’t attended or watched a hockey game since the last strike/lockout. I just like to answer polls.

  20. bills4 - Dec 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    I BLAME the PLAYERS.

  21. davem23 - Dec 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Fast Times at Ridgemont High but since this is a Hockey Blog I would have to say…Strange Brew… You hosers!

  22. joeyashwi - Dec 17, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Very simple:

    Lockout= Owners’ fault
    Strike= Players’ fault

    Whether you want to cast blame on the owners for their demands or the players for not giving in to the demands is completely irrelevant.

  23. id4joey - Dec 17, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    It is the owner’s right to declare a lockout, and it is the player’s right to holdout until they get a deal they deem to be fair. However, the players have much more to lose than the owners. It seems they are willing to lose another season, and still get screwed in the long run. How is the membership looking out for Adrian Aucoin, and others like him?

  24. joeyashwi - Dec 17, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    I agree id4joey but it really all boils down to my synopsis of the situation. Take out all the fluff, opinions, numbers, and emotions and that’s what you have.

    Lockout= Owners’ fault
    Strike= Players’ fault

    The End

    • id4joey - Dec 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

      Well! A lockout can occur when the employees demands are exaggerated. fault = employees A strike can occur because the owners are abusing their employees. Fault = owners. All is not black or white. There are indeed many shades in between.

      • blomfeld - Dec 17, 2012 at 11:37 PM

        Id4joey – so true friend … as with most things in life, there is no black or white, only shades of gray from which to choose … may God bless you and may God also see to it that 2013 has you abounding upon a “sea of joy” and uncompromising “good times” ! … inshallah … :)

  25. joeyashwi - Dec 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    It’s about power. Only the owners have the power to end a lockout. Only the employees have the power to end a strike. All this assuming courts and government don’t get involved of course.
    People can BLAME either side but fault is not debatable. It is black and white. Employers could continue to run and meet the employees demands. Employees can continue to work in abusive conditions. It’s a choice to lockout or strike. Again, not saying to lockout or strike is not a proper solution to a given problem, just saying there is a difference between fault and blame.
    Lockout is 100% owners’ fault. It’s black and white. Justified or not is a matter of opinion.

  26. jimw81 - Dec 17, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    No fav 80′s band? geez, this site has run out of ideas for stories.

  27. racksie - Dec 18, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    Um, no Fast Times at Ridgemont high?

  28. jsutan - Dec 18, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    No Breakfast Club or Sixteen Candles? What would the 80s be without the combined efforts of John Cusack and Molly Ringwald?

  29. sportsfan69 - Dec 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    It’s a toss up either Predator or Aliens. The answer is…

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