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	<title>Comments on: Fehr: &#8220;I can&#8217;t tell you any progress was made&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[phillyphanatic, I hear what you&#039;re saying. What is your point? Playing the blame game. Ok! The owners and GMs are to blame. What next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phillyphanatic, I hear what you&#8217;re saying. What is your point? Playing the blame game. Ok! The owners and GMs are to blame. What next?</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphanatic77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphanatic77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were plenty of excessive contracts before Weber and Snider, eventhough that may have been well over the top. GMs were handing out huge deals right up until the 11:59 deadline on the last day, there&#039;s plenty of blame to go around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were plenty of excessive contracts before Weber and Snider, eventhough that may have been well over the top. GMs were handing out huge deals right up until the 11:59 deadline on the last day, there&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: shotzongoal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shotzongoal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s reported that both sides stopped taking salary but don&#039;t kid yourself.  All parties are under contract.  It&#039;s simply pay me now or pay me later.  You can bet they will all be compensated for the full value of their contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s reported that both sides stopped taking salary but don&#8217;t kid yourself.  All parties are under contract.  It&#8217;s simply pay me now or pay me later.  You can bet they will all be compensated for the full value of their contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabatimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t print it because it&#039;d get me banned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t print it because it&#8217;d get me banned.</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabatimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This came on AMC a few days ago.  Best hockey I&#039;ve seen all year :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This came on AMC a few days ago.  Best hockey I&#8217;ve seen all year <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bcjim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bcjim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tyler....Fail.

They made *57%* of HRR over the last CBA. FIFTY SEVEN(!) 

And, FYI, they already make more on average than NFL players 2.4M to 1.9M.

Get some facts.

They, despite what people may have thought at the time, &quot;won&quot; the last CBA. salaries went up 17, 10, and 15% in the last 3 years.  Yes average salaries went down in 04 22% but that really was reigning in the &quot;yankees&quot; of the NHL by instituting the cap. The average player made out like a bindit on this CBA in part due to the cap floor.

So yes, get some facts please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tyler&#8230;.Fail.</p>
<p>They made *57%* of HRR over the last CBA. FIFTY SEVEN(!) </p>
<p>And, FYI, they already make more on average than NFL players 2.4M to 1.9M.</p>
<p>Get some facts.</p>
<p>They, despite what people may have thought at the time, &#8220;won&#8221; the last CBA. salaries went up 17, 10, and 15% in the last 3 years.  Yes average salaries went down in 04 22% but that really was reigning in the &#8220;yankees&#8221; of the NHL by instituting the cap. The average player made out like a bindit on this CBA in part due to the cap floor.</p>
<p>So yes, get some facts please.</p>
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		<title>By: icrew29</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[icrew29]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only have one question. What do Bettman and Fehr and their staffs do when they are not meeting with each other?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have one question. What do Bettman and Fehr and their staffs do when they are not meeting with each other?</p>
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		<title>By: thedavesiknowiknow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thedavesiknowiknow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: woodstakes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodstakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I believe he stopped taking a salary in July as did his brother.. none of those heading up these negotiations are making a salary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I believe he stopped taking a salary in July as did his brother.. none of those heading up these negotiations are making a salary.</p>
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		<title>By: jhunter21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jhunter21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s not forget that Mr. Donny Boy is the only one who&#039;s being paid, and the longer the lockout lasts the more he&#039;ll collect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that Mr. Donny Boy is the only one who&#8217;s being paid, and the longer the lockout lasts the more he&#8217;ll collect.</p>
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		<title>By: capesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[capesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reality is they could easily come to some sort of agreement that is temporary, just to get the game back on the ice. Then, behind the scenes, they could be trying to hash out a long term, sensible CBA. They choose not to do that though. Nobody would care if they could just watch their teams play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is they could easily come to some sort of agreement that is temporary, just to get the game back on the ice. Then, behind the scenes, they could be trying to hash out a long term, sensible CBA. They choose not to do that though. Nobody would care if they could just watch their teams play.</p>
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		<title>By: rainyday56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rainyday56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally realized Bettman is not the villain in this piece.  He is behaving exactly as a sport commisioner should - acting in the best interests of the sport he leads.  The lockout is not meant to punish players, fans or small market teams.  It is the line drawn over front loaded deals by teams that can afford to exploit the loopholes in the expired CBA.  If you want to point the finger at anyone,  point it at  Snider and Shea Weber.  That deal forced Bettman&#039;s hand heading into the negotiations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally realized Bettman is not the villain in this piece.  He is behaving exactly as a sport commisioner should &#8211; acting in the best interests of the sport he leads.  The lockout is not meant to punish players, fans or small market teams.  It is the line drawn over front loaded deals by teams that can afford to exploit the loopholes in the expired CBA.  If you want to point the finger at anyone,  point it at  Snider and Shea Weber.  That deal forced Bettman&#8217;s hand heading into the negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: danphipps01</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danphipps01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Translation: &quot;Gary didn&#039;t give me all the concessions I wanted, no questions asked, so now I&#039;m crying to the media!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translation: &#8220;Gary didn&#8217;t give me all the concessions I wanted, no questions asked, so now I&#8217;m crying to the media!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gbsoccer6</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gbsoccer6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hockey is slowing becoming less and less of a major sport. As the country becomes more diverse, hockey will become less popular. How many, latinos, african-americans, and middle easterns play hockey not a whole ton. I give hockey 7 more years until the MLS over takes them .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hockey is slowing becoming less and less of a major sport. As the country becomes more diverse, hockey will become less popular. How many, latinos, african-americans, and middle easterns play hockey not a whole ton. I give hockey 7 more years until the MLS over takes them .</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right! They didn&#039;t see these deals coming when they agreed to the terms of the last CBA.  The absurd contracts that were handed out were handed out to attract/retain top talent. Right or wrong is not the issue. It is where they are now and it needs fixing. The players agreed to a 50/50 split, and 300 million for make whole. What are they holding out for that it is worth risking their salaries? Five year limits on contracts? Really! The league has said that 5 year limit on contracts is a hill they are willing to die in. The PA is screwed. They have zero leverage. What can they gain? Six year limit on contracts? Make a deal to minimize your loses boys.  Billionaires vs millionaires. Who do you think can hold out longer? 

Did you notice that the Boston Bruins are not represented on the player&#039;s negotiating committee?  Billionaire Jacobs vs millionaire players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right! They didn&#8217;t see these deals coming when they agreed to the terms of the last CBA.  The absurd contracts that were handed out were handed out to attract/retain top talent. Right or wrong is not the issue. It is where they are now and it needs fixing. The players agreed to a 50/50 split, and 300 million for make whole. What are they holding out for that it is worth risking their salaries? Five year limits on contracts? Really! The league has said that 5 year limit on contracts is a hill they are willing to die in. The PA is screwed. They have zero leverage. What can they gain? Six year limit on contracts? Make a deal to minimize your loses boys.  Billionaires vs millionaires. Who do you think can hold out longer? </p>
<p>Did you notice that the Boston Bruins are not represented on the player&#8217;s negotiating committee?  Billionaire Jacobs vs millionaire players.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboyscanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cowboyscanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cancel the season!  People are finding out that life is pretty good without hockey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cancel the season!  People are finding out that life is pretty good without hockey.</p>
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		<title>By: capesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[capesouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least he didn&#039;t come out and say &#039;we are close to a deal&#039; this time...that&#039;s progress in and of itself]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he didn&#8217;t come out and say &#8216;we are close to a deal&#8217; this time&#8230;that&#8217;s progress in and of itself</p>
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		<title>By: jimw81</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimw81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t blame fehr for all this mess

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8732678/donald-fehr-nhl-lockout

&quot; in Detroit, the owner of the Red Wings, a pizza billionaire named Mike Ilitch, has decided to blackjack a new $650 million arena out of the city of Detroit for his $346 million hockey team. (In 1982, Ilitch paid $8 million for the team. This is an appreciation that one can, well, appreciate.) This naked swindle makes Ilitch a real sweetheart, seeing as how the financing for his new digs is going to come from tax dollars collected by Detroit&#039;s Downtown Development Authority, which, for more than 20 years, has been collecting money to pay down some general obligation bonds. Now that the bonds are paid off, the money was supposed to go to Detroit&#039;s decimated public-school system. Instead, it&#039;s going into Ilitch&#039;s arena.&quot;

&quot;Nonetheless, Fehr was very good at protecting the gains that the MLBPA had made against almost constant attempts to roll them back. At the same time, he found himself doing so in a general social and cultural context in which seeing a union behave like an actual union was supposed to behave struck everyone silly with shock and wonder. Hell, after a while, most of the people following sports hadn&#039;t even been around when unions actually held substantial political power. Most of the NHL owners had become rich in the modern plutocratic system. In that system, the power of unions had been broken. Consequently, they were neither prepared, nor predisposed, to reckon with actual unions that had actual power, such as the ones that were operating among the teams they&#039;d bought with their fortunes. (Mike Ilitch got rich in an industry that isn&#039;t unionized at all.) And most of the people covering the events in question were people who&#039;d seen their unions squeezed dry by the financial-services cowboys who increasingly controlled the American media. Small wonder, then, that, when Fehr resisted mandatory drug testing at the beginning of the current drug frenzy, people behaved as though he were lining up players to personally shoot HGH into their keisters.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame fehr for all this mess</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8732678/donald-fehr-nhl-lockout" rel="nofollow">http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8732678/donald-fehr-nhl-lockout</a></p>
<p>&#8221; in Detroit, the owner of the Red Wings, a pizza billionaire named Mike Ilitch, has decided to blackjack a new $650 million arena out of the city of Detroit for his $346 million hockey team. (In 1982, Ilitch paid $8 million for the team. This is an appreciation that one can, well, appreciate.) This naked swindle makes Ilitch a real sweetheart, seeing as how the financing for his new digs is going to come from tax dollars collected by Detroit&#8217;s Downtown Development Authority, which, for more than 20 years, has been collecting money to pay down some general obligation bonds. Now that the bonds are paid off, the money was supposed to go to Detroit&#8217;s decimated public-school system. Instead, it&#8217;s going into Ilitch&#8217;s arena.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nonetheless, Fehr was very good at protecting the gains that the MLBPA had made against almost constant attempts to roll them back. At the same time, he found himself doing so in a general social and cultural context in which seeing a union behave like an actual union was supposed to behave struck everyone silly with shock and wonder. Hell, after a while, most of the people following sports hadn&#8217;t even been around when unions actually held substantial political power. Most of the NHL owners had become rich in the modern plutocratic system. In that system, the power of unions had been broken. Consequently, they were neither prepared, nor predisposed, to reckon with actual unions that had actual power, such as the ones that were operating among the teams they&#8217;d bought with their fortunes. (Mike Ilitch got rich in an industry that isn&#8217;t unionized at all.) And most of the people covering the events in question were people who&#8217;d seen their unions squeezed dry by the financial-services cowboys who increasingly controlled the American media. Small wonder, then, that, when Fehr resisted mandatory drug testing at the beginning of the current drug frenzy, people behaved as though he were lining up players to personally shoot HGH into their keisters.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sergeikremlin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sergeikremlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So much damage being done to the game of hockey right now.  Hardcore fans are feeling betrayed, fairweather fans are forgetting the sport altogether, and the kids are confused and moving onto other things. 

The only good thing, as one of those betrayed and annoyed hardcore fans, is knowing that businesses are cutting their NHL ticket expense budgets, that the NHL will suffer for this at least in the short-term when they return, and most importantly, that the Bettman and Daly have to sweat it out infront of these microphones, with their plan to have the game back on ice by now blowing up in their face, and knowing the tarnished legacy they are leaving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much damage being done to the game of hockey right now.  Hardcore fans are feeling betrayed, fairweather fans are forgetting the sport altogether, and the kids are confused and moving onto other things. </p>
<p>The only good thing, as one of those betrayed and annoyed hardcore fans, is knowing that businesses are cutting their NHL ticket expense budgets, that the NHL will suffer for this at least in the short-term when they return, and most importantly, that the Bettman and Daly have to sweat it out infront of these microphones, with their plan to have the game back on ice by now blowing up in their face, and knowing the tarnished legacy they are leaving.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphanatic77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphanatic77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say it&#039;s more than a little naive. Because the things the owners are telling us are necessary will not save those struggling southern teams. Those teams, if they all stay put, will be in the same hole they&#039;re in now. Are players over-compensated? Absolutely. But going after their contracts and restricting future contracts will not create enough revenue to save the franchises in the red. Can it help? Yes, but it&#039;s not the answer. We&#039;ll be back in the same spot because Bettman will never admit his expansion mistakes. Winnipeg is proof how successful relocation can be, especially from a market like Atlanta where NOBODY cared about hockey. I have nothing against southern fans but college football blows the NHL out of the water down there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s more than a little naive. Because the things the owners are telling us are necessary will not save those struggling southern teams. Those teams, if they all stay put, will be in the same hole they&#8217;re in now. Are players over-compensated? Absolutely. But going after their contracts and restricting future contracts will not create enough revenue to save the franchises in the red. Can it help? Yes, but it&#8217;s not the answer. We&#8217;ll be back in the same spot because Bettman will never admit his expansion mistakes. Winnipeg is proof how successful relocation can be, especially from a market like Atlanta where NOBODY cared about hockey. I have nothing against southern fans but college football blows the NHL out of the water down there.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphanatic77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphanatic77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These types of deals were never supposed to happen according to the heavenly salary cap portrait Bettman painted for us after the last lockout. Remember when he told us if they just got a salary cap, in-season costs would decline drastically, ticket prices would plummet, and we&#039;d never again see mid-level talent get ridiculous contracts? Then the men who led the charge for the last CBA started circumventing their own system and creating a marketplace where average players make superstar money. Was it the players handing out absurd contracts to themselves? Once again the league is telling us &quot;if we just get 5 year contract limits, somehow those 13 teams in the red will be saved.&quot; They&#039;re not acknowledging the real issues in those markets, because it&#039;s easier to blame overpaid players than admit your mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These types of deals were never supposed to happen according to the heavenly salary cap portrait Bettman painted for us after the last lockout. Remember when he told us if they just got a salary cap, in-season costs would decline drastically, ticket prices would plummet, and we&#8217;d never again see mid-level talent get ridiculous contracts? Then the men who led the charge for the last CBA started circumventing their own system and creating a marketplace where average players make superstar money. Was it the players handing out absurd contracts to themselves? Once again the league is telling us &#8220;if we just get 5 year contract limits, somehow those 13 teams in the red will be saved.&#8221; They&#8217;re not acknowledging the real issues in those markets, because it&#8217;s easier to blame overpaid players than admit your mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: crosberries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crosberries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fell asleep just read the word basebzzzzzzzzz.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fell asleep just read the word basebzzzzzzzzz&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/fehr-i-cant-tell-you-any-progress-was-made/comment-page-1/#comment-118135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m a little naive. I don&#039;t believe we&#039;ll be in the same place next time the CBA expires. Yes! They may have to tweak the CBA if the economic landscape changes. But! That&#039;s the only chance the owners have to fix inconsistencies in the agreement. If this CBA fixes the major issues/loopholes in the last CBA, then I suspect they&#039;ll have minor issues to fix next time. It&#039;s pure speculation, but, it&#039;s not more right to take money out of the owner&#039;s pockets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m a little naive. I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ll be in the same place next time the CBA expires. Yes! They may have to tweak the CBA if the economic landscape changes. But! That&#8217;s the only chance the owners have to fix inconsistencies in the agreement. If this CBA fixes the major issues/loopholes in the last CBA, then I suspect they&#8217;ll have minor issues to fix next time. It&#8217;s pure speculation, but, it&#8217;s not more right to take money out of the owner&#8217;s pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphanatic77</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/fehr-i-cant-tell-you-any-progress-was-made/comment-page-1/#comment-118131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphanatic77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the owners &quot;win&quot; this negotiation then we&#039;ll absolutely have to deal with this bs in another 8-10 years. Bettman has set the precedent of the league using the lockout as its top bargaining tool. During the next lockout (if this ever gets settled and the league doesn&#039;t implode) the commissioner will come out and tell us that the players got a much better deal then we simple minded fans can comprehend, just like this year. He will tell us that in order for the league to remain viable and the struggling teams to re-enter the black the owners must take even more from the players. After all the players swindled them into an unfair percentage of HRR and forced the owners to sign the dotted line on their bulbous contracts. Because if the owners get everything they want, once again, it will not save the sunbelt teams. Substantial revenue sharing, a soft salary cap, relocation, or contraction would be much more viable solutions to improving the health of the NHL than raiding the players pockets. Even if the owners concede on certain issues we&#039;ll be back in the same situation when this CBA expires. It&#039;s a sad reality, and the NHLPA can do little to stop it, other than continue doing what it&#039;s already done. But then nobody wins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the owners &#8220;win&#8221; this negotiation then we&#8217;ll absolutely have to deal with this bs in another 8-10 years. Bettman has set the precedent of the league using the lockout as its top bargaining tool. During the next lockout (if this ever gets settled and the league doesn&#8217;t implode) the commissioner will come out and tell us that the players got a much better deal then we simple minded fans can comprehend, just like this year. He will tell us that in order for the league to remain viable and the struggling teams to re-enter the black the owners must take even more from the players. After all the players swindled them into an unfair percentage of HRR and forced the owners to sign the dotted line on their bulbous contracts. Because if the owners get everything they want, once again, it will not save the sunbelt teams. Substantial revenue sharing, a soft salary cap, relocation, or contraction would be much more viable solutions to improving the health of the NHL than raiding the players pockets. Even if the owners concede on certain issues we&#8217;ll be back in the same situation when this CBA expires. It&#8217;s a sad reality, and the NHLPA can do little to stop it, other than continue doing what it&#8217;s already done. But then nobody wins.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/fehr-i-cant-tell-you-any-progress-was-made/comment-page-1/#comment-118127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tylerrowland, you&#039;re. Can&#039;t blame the players for wanting to minimize their loses. However, I&#039;m not sure they are accomplishing their objectives. Anyway! I don&#039;t agree with what you wrote. &quot;They conceded to the owners and played for &lt;b&gt;little money&lt;/b&gt; during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors.&quot;

Ron Hainsey
SEASON	  SALARY
2008-09     $5,000,000
2009-10     $5,000,000	
2010-11	  $5,000,000	
2011-12	  $5,000,000	
2012-13	  $3,000,000	 GP=56, G=0, A=10

Brandon Prust
SEASON	  SALARY
2010-11	$800,000
2011-12	$800,000	GP=82, G=5, A=12
2012-13	$3,000,000	
2013-14   $2,500,000	
2014-15	$2,500,000	 
2015-16   $2,000,000

Can you say thank you, Mr. Bettman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tylerrowland, you&#8217;re. Can&#8217;t blame the players for wanting to minimize their loses. However, I&#8217;m not sure they are accomplishing their objectives. Anyway! I don&#8217;t agree with what you wrote. &#8220;They conceded to the owners and played for <b>little money</b> during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ron Hainsey<br />
SEASON	  SALARY<br />
2008-09     $5,000,000<br />
2009-10     $5,000,000<br />
2010-11	  $5,000,000<br />
2011-12	  $5,000,000<br />
2012-13	  $3,000,000	 GP=56, G=0, A=10</p>
<p>Brandon Prust<br />
SEASON	  SALARY<br />
2010-11	$800,000<br />
2011-12	$800,000	GP=82, G=5, A=12<br />
2012-13	$3,000,000<br />
2013-14   $2,500,000<br />
2014-15	$2,500,000<br />
2015-16   $2,000,000</p>
<p>Can you say thank you, Mr. Bettman.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyresults</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnnyresults]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard this airing of grievances will not end until someone pins john carideo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard this airing of grievances will not end until someone pins john carideo</p>
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		<title>By: jernster21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jernster21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[umm 2 billion dollar contract with NBC.  If it was 200 billion there would be no lock out my friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm 2 billion dollar contract with NBC.  If it was 200 billion there would be no lock out my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: mrwings787</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/fehr-i-cant-tell-you-any-progress-was-made/comment-page-1/#comment-118120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrwings787]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other news the grass is green]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news the grass is green</p>
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		<title>By: tylerrowland09</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tylerrowland09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t blame the players for wanting more out of this CBA. They folded after losing the 2004-2005 season. They conceded to the owners and played for little money during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors. The NHL has a 10 year 200 billion Dollar TV deal with NBC Sports. Thay have a great TV deal with TSN in canada. The owners and Gary Bettman need to agree to one of the players proposals. They are not looking for baseball or football sized contracts. The owners got there way in the last round, but the league needs to cough up a little and get this game operating again. Its sad that they had one of there best revenue years and an amazing playoff season. Yet the owners and Bettman have no concern for the damage they are doing to their fan base.

I know times are tough, but with the money rolling into the league there should be a compromise to be reached. The Players haven&#039;t made nearly the crazy demands they did during the 2004-2005 lockout. Bettman and ownership need to give in this time and they will realize it will be for the benifit of the game and their fans if they do!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame the players for wanting more out of this CBA. They folded after losing the 2004-2005 season. They conceded to the owners and played for little money during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors. The NHL has a 10 year 200 billion Dollar TV deal with NBC Sports. Thay have a great TV deal with TSN in canada. The owners and Gary Bettman need to agree to one of the players proposals. They are not looking for baseball or football sized contracts. The owners got there way in the last round, but the league needs to cough up a little and get this game operating again. Its sad that they had one of there best revenue years and an amazing playoff season. Yet the owners and Bettman have no concern for the damage they are doing to their fan base.</p>
<p>I know times are tough, but with the money rolling into the league there should be a compromise to be reached. The Players haven&#8217;t made nearly the crazy demands they did during the 2004-2005 lockout. Bettman and ownership need to give in this time and they will realize it will be for the benifit of the game and their fans if they do!</p>
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		<title>By: blkhwk21</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blkhwk21]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who Cares!!! NHL is the joke of the sports world- any progress made over past 5 years has now been washed away. Can&#039;t wait for baseball season]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who Cares!!! NHL is the joke of the sports world- any progress made over past 5 years has now been washed away. Can&#8217;t wait for baseball season</p>
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