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Fehr: “I can’t tell you any progress was made”

Dec 12, 2012, 7:59 PM EDT

Donald Fehr, Kevin Westgath, George Parros AP

Today’s round of talks with mediators came in with a lot of hype but end with a bit more disappointment.

NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr addressed the media after wrapping up conference calls with team representatives and confirmed that not much has changed since last Thursday’s meltdown.

There were discussions of the various issues involved and how far apart we are and where we go from here,” Fehr said. “I can’t tell you that any progress was made.”

Both sides each met with federal mediators but did not meet face-to-face. No new proposals were tabled nor were any old ones re-tabled. All in all it comes off looking like another disappointing day in this now 88-day lockout.

  1. jaybird22seven - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    We don’t care about you anymore !!!!

  2. chrisvegas - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Who gives in first? Everyone says the players can’t win (and they may be right), so why don’t they give in now? If there isn’t an agreement within two weeks the season is likely over. The owners can afford to miss this entire season, can the players? Or are they just holding out to the last minute? Obviously the richer players can while the others will struggle. If the players do hold out and the entire season is lost, who gives in first over the summer? My point is if the players are going to give in first, then they should do so within the next two weeks. If they are willing to miss the entire season, then they should be willing to mist part of next season to because that is when the owners will get desperate. That being said I think the players will give in at the last minute and the greedy owners will win again resulting in another lockout 10 years from now.

  3. ginochitown - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Why don’t they just cancel the season, fold the league and let the selfish idiots find a new job, including Bettman.

  4. sportsfan69 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Maybe the players will put their pride aside, do the right thing. Otherwise, we have no season.

    • sabatimus - Dec 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM

      This came on AMC a few days ago. Best hockey I’ve seen all year :)

  5. sportsfan69 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Guys, it moments like this why we play the game of hockey. It’s because we love it. Do the right………

    Save the game, save yourselves from self destruction.

    • hockeyflow33 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

      This is their job, grow up.

  6. Stiller43 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    How do you meet for this long and not make progress? Does the conversation go like this:

    Nhlpa: we want this in the cba
    Nhl: no

    Nhl: we want this in the cba
    Nhlpa: no

    Repeat. And repeat. And repeat.

    Really? Monkeys (and not smart ones) could figure issues out better

  7. ravenscaps48 - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Cancel the season. Take your time. And get it correct! Stop giving us fans something to hold on to and anticipate. Don’t rush this and put together a crappy package so we can have it. Get it done the right way, so we hopefully won’t have to di this S%$& in another 8-10 years!

    • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:52 PM

      If the owners “win” this negotiation then we’ll absolutely have to deal with this bs in another 8-10 years. Bettman has set the precedent of the league using the lockout as its top bargaining tool. During the next lockout (if this ever gets settled and the league doesn’t implode) the commissioner will come out and tell us that the players got a much better deal then we simple minded fans can comprehend, just like this year. He will tell us that in order for the league to remain viable and the struggling teams to re-enter the black the owners must take even more from the players. After all the players swindled them into an unfair percentage of HRR and forced the owners to sign the dotted line on their bulbous contracts. Because if the owners get everything they want, once again, it will not save the sunbelt teams. Substantial revenue sharing, a soft salary cap, relocation, or contraction would be much more viable solutions to improving the health of the NHL than raiding the players pockets. Even if the owners concede on certain issues we’ll be back in the same situation when this CBA expires. It’s a sad reality, and the NHLPA can do little to stop it, other than continue doing what it’s already done. But then nobody wins.

      • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM

        Maybe I’m a little naive. I don’t believe we’ll be in the same place next time the CBA expires. Yes! They may have to tweak the CBA if the economic landscape changes. But! That’s the only chance the owners have to fix inconsistencies in the agreement. If this CBA fixes the major issues/loopholes in the last CBA, then I suspect they’ll have minor issues to fix next time. It’s pure speculation, but, it’s not more right to take money out of the owner’s pockets.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM

        I’d say it’s more than a little naive. Because the things the owners are telling us are necessary will not save those struggling southern teams. Those teams, if they all stay put, will be in the same hole they’re in now. Are players over-compensated? Absolutely. But going after their contracts and restricting future contracts will not create enough revenue to save the franchises in the red. Can it help? Yes, but it’s not the answer. We’ll be back in the same spot because Bettman will never admit his expansion mistakes. Winnipeg is proof how successful relocation can be, especially from a market like Atlanta where NOBODY cared about hockey. I have nothing against southern fans but college football blows the NHL out of the water down there.

  8. johnnyresults - Dec 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    too bad the NBA blows…

  9. blkhwk21 - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Who Cares!!! NHL is the joke of the sports world- any progress made over past 5 years has now been washed away. Can’t wait for baseball season

    • crosberries - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM

      I fell asleep just read the word basebzzzzzzzzz…….

  10. tylerrowland09 - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    I don’t blame the players for wanting more out of this CBA. They folded after losing the 2004-2005 season. They conceded to the owners and played for little money during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors. The NHL has a 10 year 200 billion Dollar TV deal with NBC Sports. Thay have a great TV deal with TSN in canada. The owners and Gary Bettman need to agree to one of the players proposals. They are not looking for baseball or football sized contracts. The owners got there way in the last round, but the league needs to cough up a little and get this game operating again. Its sad that they had one of there best revenue years and an amazing playoff season. Yet the owners and Bettman have no concern for the damage they are doing to their fan base.

    I know times are tough, but with the money rolling into the league there should be a compromise to be reached. The Players haven’t made nearly the crazy demands they did during the 2004-2005 lockout. Bettman and ownership need to give in this time and they will realize it will be for the benifit of the game and their fans if they do!

    • jernster21 - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:22 PM

      umm 2 billion dollar contract with NBC. If it was 200 billion there would be no lock out my friend.

    • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:38 PM

      tylerrowland, you’re. Can’t blame the players for wanting to minimize their loses. However, I’m not sure they are accomplishing their objectives. Anyway! I don’t agree with what you wrote. “They conceded to the owners and played for little money during a period when revenue and economics were on the rise in all sectors.”

      Ron Hainsey
      SEASON SALARY
      2008-09 $5,000,000
      2009-10 $5,000,000
      2010-11 $5,000,000
      2011-12 $5,000,000
      2012-13 $3,000,000 GP=56, G=0, A=10

      Brandon Prust
      SEASON SALARY
      2010-11 $800,000
      2011-12 $800,000 GP=82, G=5, A=12
      2012-13 $3,000,000
      2013-14 $2,500,000
      2014-15 $2,500,000
      2015-16 $2,000,000

      Can you say thank you, Mr. Bettman.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM

        These types of deals were never supposed to happen according to the heavenly salary cap portrait Bettman painted for us after the last lockout. Remember when he told us if they just got a salary cap, in-season costs would decline drastically, ticket prices would plummet, and we’d never again see mid-level talent get ridiculous contracts? Then the men who led the charge for the last CBA started circumventing their own system and creating a marketplace where average players make superstar money. Was it the players handing out absurd contracts to themselves? Once again the league is telling us “if we just get 5 year contract limits, somehow those 13 teams in the red will be saved.” They’re not acknowledging the real issues in those markets, because it’s easier to blame overpaid players than admit your mistakes.

      • id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:28 PM

        You’re right! They didn’t see these deals coming when they agreed to the terms of the last CBA. The absurd contracts that were handed out were handed out to attract/retain top talent. Right or wrong is not the issue. It is where they are now and it needs fixing. The players agreed to a 50/50 split, and 300 million for make whole. What are they holding out for that it is worth risking their salaries? Five year limits on contracts? Really! The league has said that 5 year limit on contracts is a hill they are willing to die in. The PA is screwed. They have zero leverage. What can they gain? Six year limit on contracts? Make a deal to minimize your loses boys. Billionaires vs millionaires. Who do you think can hold out longer?

        Did you notice that the Boston Bruins are not represented on the player’s negotiating committee? Billionaire Jacobs vs millionaire players.

      • rainyday56 - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

        Finally realized Bettman is not the villain in this piece. He is behaving exactly as a sport commisioner should – acting in the best interests of the sport he leads. The lockout is not meant to punish players, fans or small market teams. It is the line drawn over front loaded deals by teams that can afford to exploit the loopholes in the expired CBA. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at Snider and Shea Weber. That deal forced Bettman’s hand heading into the negotiations.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

        There were plenty of excessive contracts before Weber and Snider, eventhough that may have been well over the top. GMs were handing out huge deals right up until the 11:59 deadline on the last day, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

      • id4joey - Dec 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM

        phillyphanatic, I hear what you’re saying. What is your point? Playing the blame game. Ok! The owners and GMs are to blame. What next?

    • bcjim - Dec 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM

      @tyler….Fail.

      They made *57%* of HRR over the last CBA. FIFTY SEVEN(!)

      And, FYI, they already make more on average than NFL players 2.4M to 1.9M.

      Get some facts.

      They, despite what people may have thought at the time, “won” the last CBA. salaries went up 17, 10, and 15% in the last 3 years. Yes average salaries went down in 04 22% but that really was reigning in the “yankees” of the NHL by instituting the cap. The average player made out like a bindit on this CBA in part due to the cap floor.

      So yes, get some facts please.

  11. mrwings787 - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    In other news the grass is green

  12. johnnyresults - Dec 12, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    I heard this airing of grievances will not end until someone pins john carideo

  13. sergeikremlin - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    So much damage being done to the game of hockey right now. Hardcore fans are feeling betrayed, fairweather fans are forgetting the sport altogether, and the kids are confused and moving onto other things.

    The only good thing, as one of those betrayed and annoyed hardcore fans, is knowing that businesses are cutting their NHL ticket expense budgets, that the NHL will suffer for this at least in the short-term when they return, and most importantly, that the Bettman and Daly have to sweat it out infront of these microphones, with their plan to have the game back on ice by now blowing up in their face, and knowing the tarnished legacy they are leaving.

  14. jimw81 - Dec 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Don’t blame fehr for all this mess

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8732678/donald-fehr-nhl-lockout

    ” in Detroit, the owner of the Red Wings, a pizza billionaire named Mike Ilitch, has decided to blackjack a new $650 million arena out of the city of Detroit for his $346 million hockey team. (In 1982, Ilitch paid $8 million for the team. This is an appreciation that one can, well, appreciate.) This naked swindle makes Ilitch a real sweetheart, seeing as how the financing for his new digs is going to come from tax dollars collected by Detroit’s Downtown Development Authority, which, for more than 20 years, has been collecting money to pay down some general obligation bonds. Now that the bonds are paid off, the money was supposed to go to Detroit’s decimated public-school system. Instead, it’s going into Ilitch’s arena.”

    “Nonetheless, Fehr was very good at protecting the gains that the MLBPA had made against almost constant attempts to roll them back. At the same time, he found himself doing so in a general social and cultural context in which seeing a union behave like an actual union was supposed to behave struck everyone silly with shock and wonder. Hell, after a while, most of the people following sports hadn’t even been around when unions actually held substantial political power. Most of the NHL owners had become rich in the modern plutocratic system. In that system, the power of unions had been broken. Consequently, they were neither prepared, nor predisposed, to reckon with actual unions that had actual power, such as the ones that were operating among the teams they’d bought with their fortunes. (Mike Ilitch got rich in an industry that isn’t unionized at all.) And most of the people covering the events in question were people who’d seen their unions squeezed dry by the financial-services cowboys who increasingly controlled the American media. Small wonder, then, that, when Fehr resisted mandatory drug testing at the beginning of the current drug frenzy, people behaved as though he were lining up players to personally shoot HGH into their keisters.”

  15. capesouth - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    At least he didn’t come out and say ‘we are close to a deal’ this time…that’s progress in and of itself

  16. cowboyscanada - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Cancel the season! People are finding out that life is pretty good without hockey.

  17. gbsoccer6 - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    Hockey is slowing becoming less and less of a major sport. As the country becomes more diverse, hockey will become less popular. How many, latinos, african-americans, and middle easterns play hockey not a whole ton. I give hockey 7 more years until the MLS over takes them .

  18. danphipps01 - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    Translation: “Gary didn’t give me all the concessions I wanted, no questions asked, so now I’m crying to the media!”

  19. capesouth - Dec 13, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    The reality is they could easily come to some sort of agreement that is temporary, just to get the game back on the ice. Then, behind the scenes, they could be trying to hash out a long term, sensible CBA. They choose not to do that though. Nobody would care if they could just watch their teams play.

  20. jhunter21 - Dec 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Let’s not forget that Mr. Donny Boy is the only one who’s being paid, and the longer the lockout lasts the more he’ll collect.

    • woodstakes - Dec 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM

      Actually I believe he stopped taking a salary in July as did his brother.. none of those heading up these negotiations are making a salary.

      • shotzongoal - Dec 13, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        It’s reported that both sides stopped taking salary but don’t kid yourself. All parties are under contract. It’s simply pay me now or pay me later. You can bet they will all be compensated for the full value of their contracts.

  21. thedavesiknowiknow - Dec 13, 2012 at 5:56 AM

  22. icrew29 - Dec 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM

    I only have one question. What do Bettman and Fehr and their staffs do when they are not meeting with each other?

    • sabatimus - Dec 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM

      I can’t print it because it’d get me banned.

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