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	<title>Comments on: Bettman ranks No. 15 in list of most influential in sports business</title>
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		<title>By: tcclark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tcclark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It could be if the NHL would stop locking it&#039;s players out.  People who don&#039;t like hockey, usually haven&#039;t watched enough of it.  I&#039;ve introduced a number of different people to hockey and I&#039;ve never met a person who didn&#039;t like it after actually watching it.  The problem is, you can&#039;t watch hockey if you keep locking the players out.  And every time they do this they have to regain fans.  The new deal they made with NBC would have made the NHL more accessible to people.  People are much more likely to watch &quot;The NBC Sports Network&quot; than &quot;Versus&quot; even if it is the same channel.  They show more NHL events on television now than any other sport.  No where else can you see the league&#039;s award show or All-Star Fantasy Draft.  The NHL was regaining a following and the NHL product was very good.  The NHL was on the way up, but has taken a dramatic hit because of this lockout.  I know multiple diehard fans that refuse to watch the NHL anymore because of this.  The NHL could be more popular if the owners would give it a chance to grow.  They have a great network that dedicates itself to the coverage of the sport, they have a league that has a competitive balance, and they have the best postseason (IMO) outside of the NCAA Basketball Tournament.  The only problem is.... there aren&#039;t any players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be if the NHL would stop locking it&#8217;s players out.  People who don&#8217;t like hockey, usually haven&#8217;t watched enough of it.  I&#8217;ve introduced a number of different people to hockey and I&#8217;ve never met a person who didn&#8217;t like it after actually watching it.  The problem is, you can&#8217;t watch hockey if you keep locking the players out.  And every time they do this they have to regain fans.  The new deal they made with NBC would have made the NHL more accessible to people.  People are much more likely to watch &#8220;The NBC Sports Network&#8221; than &#8220;Versus&#8221; even if it is the same channel.  They show more NHL events on television now than any other sport.  No where else can you see the league&#8217;s award show or All-Star Fantasy Draft.  The NHL was regaining a following and the NHL product was very good.  The NHL was on the way up, but has taken a dramatic hit because of this lockout.  I know multiple diehard fans that refuse to watch the NHL anymore because of this.  The NHL could be more popular if the owners would give it a chance to grow.  They have a great network that dedicates itself to the coverage of the sport, they have a league that has a competitive balance, and they have the best postseason (IMO) outside of the NCAA Basketball Tournament.  The only problem is&#8230;. there aren&#8217;t any players.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey! blomfeld, thanks. You know, it really doesn&#039;t matter who I am. Most of us are here because we enjoy the game and enjoy sharing opinions. Here&#039;s the &quot;Colbert bump&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! blomfeld, thanks. You know, it really doesn&#8217;t matter who I am. Most of us are here because we enjoy the game and enjoy sharing opinions. Here&#8217;s the &#8220;Colbert bump&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm! Meant to write; Not that there will be no pain if the season is lost. Question is how much? And, how long with it take to recuperate that money? Only the Proskauer Rose and the owners know this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm! Meant to write; Not that there will be no pain if the season is lost. Question is how much? And, how long with it take to recuperate that money? Only the Proskauer Rose and the owners know this.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No that there will be pain if the season is lost. Question is how much? And, how long with it take to recuperate that money? Only the Proskauer Rose and the owners know this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No that there will be pain if the season is lost. Question is how much? And, how long with it take to recuperate that money? Only the Proskauer Rose and the owners know this.</p>
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		<title>By: blomfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blomfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Id4joey = Nobel Prize ?

It&#039;s now clearly obvious to anyone (ie: even the detractors) that our friend Joey must indeed be a &quot;someone&quot; ... and therefore he probably does have sources in the form of &quot;boots on the ground&quot; there in New York ... personally I wouldn&#039;t be the least bit surprised !  At any rate, I just want to say that I feel we&#039;re very fortunate to have the likes of Joey here at PHT.  I learned a long time ago back at college, that with &quot;public speaking&quot; one must always strive to attain three things in-order to be deemed a success:

1)  to inform
2)  to entertain
3)  to persuade     

Well I submit to you friends that on a daily basis, our man Id4joey is bringing all three of these things in &quot;bushels&quot; to the PHT table here !  So on behalf of all of us, a big &quot;thanks&quot; Joey for taking the time to always &quot;value-add&quot; here the way you do ! ... Blomfeld   :)

__________________________________________________________


ps: here&#039;s an &quot;informative yet succinct&quot; piece just offered by Joey on another article ...

id4joey - Dec 12, 2012 at 11:20 AM

williplett, yes. The owners agreed to these long term front loaded contracts. Why? These guys are competitive business men who want to win hockey games or win in whatever business their involved in. They have legal counsel shred the CBA to pieces looking for loopholes to gain the competitive edge. Like a player who trains hard to be at his best when the puck drops. These contracts were signed under the terms of the CBA that was in place at the time. Be it 3 years or 1 week before it expired. Point being is the consequences /risks of not signing those players whether it was 3 years or 1 week before the CBA expired was the same. Losing players they felt gave the team a competitive edge on the ice. Do you really believe Nashville could afford that huge contract they gave Weber? They were forced into submission by the system, which now they believe needs to change. Everyone close to the game knew the owners would attempt to fix the CBA after it expired. Players, agents and owners knew it when the first front loaded contract was signed.

I never wrote long term contracts are a benefit to wealthier teams. Front loaded contracts are a benefit to wealthier teams. It allows them to go after the RFA or to prevent their superstar player from becoming an RFA with a big loot of cash and minimize the cap hit, which gives cap space to spend more. let say contract terms are limited to 5 years. Under the expired CBA a team can pay a player 40 million over 5 years. He’s paid as follows;

Year 1 / 15 million
Year 2 / 15 million
Year 3 / 5 million
Year 4 / 3 million
Year 5 / 2 million

Under the expired CBA the cap hit would be 8 million. It’s all about the finances as opposed to who is and is not winning the cup. The owners solution is to limit contract terms and allow no more than a 5% variance in a players salary year to year. It just about the economics, and if it remains the same, then it becomes a league for the richest markets. Even though the owners created the mess there is nothing wrong with them trying to fix it. We need to look at the conflict from three perspectives: 1- as fan. 2 – as a player 3 – as an owner. If you can remain objective then you can rationalize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Id4joey = Nobel Prize ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s now clearly obvious to anyone (ie: even the detractors) that our friend Joey must indeed be a &#8220;someone&#8221; &#8230; and therefore he probably does have sources in the form of &#8220;boots on the ground&#8221; there in New York &#8230; personally I wouldn&#8217;t be the least bit surprised !  At any rate, I just want to say that I feel we&#8217;re very fortunate to have the likes of Joey here at PHT.  I learned a long time ago back at college, that with &#8220;public speaking&#8221; one must always strive to attain three things in-order to be deemed a success:</p>
<p>1)  to inform<br />
2)  to entertain<br />
3)  to persuade     </p>
<p>Well I submit to you friends that on a daily basis, our man Id4joey is bringing all three of these things in &#8220;bushels&#8221; to the PHT table here !  So on behalf of all of us, a big &#8220;thanks&#8221; Joey for taking the time to always &#8220;value-add&#8221; here the way you do ! &#8230; Blomfeld   <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>__________________________________________________________</p>
<p>ps: here&#8217;s an &#8220;informative yet succinct&#8221; piece just offered by Joey on another article &#8230;</p>
<p>id4joey &#8211; Dec 12, 2012 at 11:20 AM</p>
<p>williplett, yes. The owners agreed to these long term front loaded contracts. Why? These guys are competitive business men who want to win hockey games or win in whatever business their involved in. They have legal counsel shred the CBA to pieces looking for loopholes to gain the competitive edge. Like a player who trains hard to be at his best when the puck drops. These contracts were signed under the terms of the CBA that was in place at the time. Be it 3 years or 1 week before it expired. Point being is the consequences /risks of not signing those players whether it was 3 years or 1 week before the CBA expired was the same. Losing players they felt gave the team a competitive edge on the ice. Do you really believe Nashville could afford that huge contract they gave Weber? They were forced into submission by the system, which now they believe needs to change. Everyone close to the game knew the owners would attempt to fix the CBA after it expired. Players, agents and owners knew it when the first front loaded contract was signed.</p>
<p>I never wrote long term contracts are a benefit to wealthier teams. Front loaded contracts are a benefit to wealthier teams. It allows them to go after the RFA or to prevent their superstar player from becoming an RFA with a big loot of cash and minimize the cap hit, which gives cap space to spend more. let say contract terms are limited to 5 years. Under the expired CBA a team can pay a player 40 million over 5 years. He’s paid as follows;</p>
<p>Year 1 / 15 million<br />
Year 2 / 15 million<br />
Year 3 / 5 million<br />
Year 4 / 3 million<br />
Year 5 / 2 million</p>
<p>Under the expired CBA the cap hit would be 8 million. It’s all about the finances as opposed to who is and is not winning the cup. The owners solution is to limit contract terms and allow no more than a 5% variance in a players salary year to year. It just about the economics, and if it remains the same, then it becomes a league for the richest markets. Even though the owners created the mess there is nothing wrong with them trying to fix it. We need to look at the conflict from three perspectives: 1- as fan. 2 – as a player 3 – as an owner. If you can remain objective then you can rationalize.</p>
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		<title>By: whatthepuck2012</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bettman also made TruTV&#039;s Dumbest People of 2012. Not sure I agree with it, but hey, we&#039;re talking lists.
http://www.trutv.com/dumb_as_a_blog/gallery/nfl-replacement-refs-martin-douglas-patricia-krentcil.html?curPhoto=6]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bettman also made TruTV&#8217;s Dumbest People of 2012. Not sure I agree with it, but hey, we&#8217;re talking lists.<br />
<a href="http://www.trutv.com/dumb_as_a_blog/gallery/nfl-replacement-refs-martin-douglas-patricia-krentcil.html?curPhoto=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.trutv.com/dumb_as_a_blog/gallery/nfl-replacement-refs-martin-douglas-patricia-krentcil.html?curPhoto=6</a></p>
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		<title>By: mgdsquiggy17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mgdsquiggy17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or it&#039;s just not nearly as popular as the other 3..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or it&#8217;s just not nearly as popular as the other 3..</p>
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		<title>By: mgdsquiggy17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mgdsquiggy17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[because that is just the revenue not the profit.   just as franchises gain value so does the cost of running them (inflation, player salaries, staff, etc...).    So for a league that doesn&#039;t get HUGE dollars from TV like others it&#039;s not really that crazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because that is just the revenue not the profit.   just as franchises gain value so does the cost of running them (inflation, player salaries, staff, etc&#8230;).    So for a league that doesn&#8217;t get HUGE dollars from TV like others it&#8217;s not really that crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: killerpgh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[killerpgh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crazy how a league (an each individual franchise) can gain so much value yet only a few team make a &quot;profit&quot; each year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy how a league (an each individual franchise) can gain so much value yet only a few team make a &#8220;profit&#8221; each year.</p>
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		<title>By: chicagobtech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chicagobtech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The head of ESPN sits in that chair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The head of ESPN sits in that chair.</p>
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		<title>By: joeyashwi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joeyashwi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TV deals for major sports per year

NFL- 3.086 Billion

NBA- 976 Million

MLB- 740 Million

NHL- 40 Million

These numbers don&#039;t include local TV contracts

Bettman is doing a great job!  Other leagues look for more ways to bring in revenue, the NHL just locks its players out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TV deals for major sports per year</p>
<p>NFL- 3.086 Billion</p>
<p>NBA- 976 Million</p>
<p>MLB- 740 Million</p>
<p>NHL- 40 Million</p>
<p>These numbers don&#8217;t include local TV contracts</p>
<p>Bettman is doing a great job!  Other leagues look for more ways to bring in revenue, the NHL just locks its players out.</p>
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		<title>By: joeyashwi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joeyashwi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the NHL worth $3.3 billion? I know it was, but is it still? Tick tock tick tock.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the NHL worth $3.3 billion? I know it was, but is it still? Tick tock tick tock&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: bleed4philly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bleed4philly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who&#039;s #1? Obama?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s #1? Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: bcsteele</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bcsteele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Bettman ranks #2 in the most negatively influential people in sports history right behind Jeremy Jacobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Bettman ranks #2 in the most negatively influential people in sports history right behind Jeremy Jacobs.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you know that when Bettman came to the NHL the revenue was estimated @ 400m and now 3.3b? No wonder owners like him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that when Bettman came to the NHL the revenue was estimated @ 400m and now 3.3b? No wonder owners like him.</p>
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