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Despite Thursday’s meltdown, NHL and players’ union still talking

Dec 9, 2012, 12:30 PM EDT

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After Thursday’s media meltdown in New York City, one that could’ve seen the NHL lockout take a turn for the worse, things are not as ugly as they seem.

Dave Molinari of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the league and players have spoken this weekend and ESPN.com’s Pierre LeBrun says it’s Bill Daly and Steve Fehr doing the talking. TSN’s Darren Dreger adds to this saying both sides are pushing their leaders to get back to the table and close out a deal.

That’s the upside to that news. The downside is no meetings have been scheduled yet.

It’s hard to imagine both sides will let things escalate further to put the season in danger. As it is, the NHL still has its games canceled through the 14th and if there’s no progress made soon, we could be in for another round of cancellations soon.

  1. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    it just doesnt matter , hockey has gotten it’s largest black eye after this

    • hockeyfan28 - Dec 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

      hockey will be back but it will only thrive again in real hockey markets Philly,Detroit,Chicago,New York…..a few of the teams in the league will most likely fold in a few years like a Tampa bay or a New Jersey or a Columbus who have terrible money problems already

      • jaybertx - Dec 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM

        I get so f’ing irritated by people talking about Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay has no money problems and is the healthiest of the southern markets. Everyone in the Eastern conference WISHES that TB would fold because we’re a defenseman and goaltender away – which we may already have – from kicking your asses for the forseeable future.

        That being said in order for any of it to happen we need to drop the damn puck.

      • hockeyfan28 - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:09 PM

        Tampa sucks the amount of people at their Stanley cup parade was freakin pathetic

      • tbbolts91 - Dec 9, 2012 at 10:19 PM

        Hey you ignorant prick, hop off. We’re doing fine

      • hockeyfan28 - Dec 9, 2012 at 11:09 PM

        You had 20,000 people at a parade of the greatest prize in sports you could get more people at a log rolling competition in Moose Jaw Saskatchewan check the attendance a Tampa Bay Rays playoff game that’s not a sports town.

      • tbbolts91 - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        your acting as if the lightning have no fans. we came 13th in fan attendance. higher than the new york rangers. clearly you need to get outside more. why bring up irrelevant baseball on an article about hockey?

      • hockeyfan28 - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM

        You have some fans but your not a sports town having seen a few flyers games down there I can safely say the only reason you hold up attendance is when the flyers or rangers or pens have their retirees from from pa or new york go to one of the games since a good 30-40 percent of the fans at these games are fans of the other team….as for baseball when you have a team who is a consistent push for the playoffs type of team like the tampa bay rays and you can’t even sell out a home playoff game I’d say Tampa bay sports are a little below Atlanta at least they still care about the braves

      • tbbolts91 - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

        how would the bolts fold if we (as you said) hold up attendance? i see no evidence of terrible money problems, either. the fact of the matter is the lightning are in a much better position compared to many other teams. sometimes i believe people hate on the lightning out of jealousy. it’s not as if steve yzerman is our GM, we have steven stamkos at center, and we just got a renovated stadium…. oh wait, yes it is.

      • hockeyfan28 - Dec 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM

        The next time you got to a lightening/flyers game or a lightening/rangers game or even better yet a lightening/penguins game you’ll notice the very loud cheers ever time the opponents score…no one hates on the lightening tampa just is not a very good sports town and the 20,000 people that they had at their parade was ridiculous the Bruins had a over a million for crying out loud.

  2. chill1184 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Even if we get a short season (personally Im now worried about next year) it will take years for the NHL to regain all the goodwill it built up these last few years. This has the potential to be worse than the 1995 MLB season

    • stakex - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      People forget very easily. So long as there actually is a season this year, there will be very little damage to the hockey brand.

      The simple fact of the matter is that people who like hockey, will watch hockey when it comes back on. Sure some of them are saying they won’t becuase they are pissed at the NHL, but thats just venting. We heard the same thing in 04-05… and yet the sport was stronger then ever the next year. People don’t have the conviction to boycott things they actually like. Its easy to take to the internet and whine about something… its another to avoid something you actually like out of principle.

      A lost season, with a deal within reach (even if its not “close”), would be the one thing that can actually hurt the NHL brand at this point.

      • macjacmccoy - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:24 PM

        Tell that to Boardwalk Empire. Alot of people said they wouldnt come back and guess what they haven’t.

      • joshuakorr - Dec 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

        I agree, people will come back and watch hockey no matter what. We all love our teams and want to see what this exciting season of hockey has in store for us. An all-out boycott would be unrealistic.

        But, the fans can still send a strong message to the NHL another way, limiting our expenditures. I for one will not spend a single dime on the NHL beyond what I’ve already spent. I’m happy to watch games from home and to not buy jerseys or other branded merch. This may be more than some people can do, and that’s fine too.

        I don’t think people need to cut themselves off from hockey, I just think people should think twice on every NHL related purchase and decide against as many of them as possible. If you need to go to a game to see a banner raised, great, go to the game, but don’t buy the puckhead or the jersey, or the extra pretzel. If we cut into the NHL’s bottom line, they will notice. Every bit helps. A dollar you save is a dollar the NHL and NHLPA do not get.

        This is my best solution for fans to have a seat at the bargaining table and make their voices heard.

  3. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Did anyone actually think they were going to stop talking? This whole thing is scripted to a degree. There was never going to be a deal until the late stages of December much like the NBA last season. The only thing that would threaten a deal getting done in December would be the players just out right refusing because the owners were not willing to lose the season this time.

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM

      you are a complete idiot gbar22 (which it should read gaybar22 instead)

  4. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Hockey fans tend to point to baseball and say well that really destroyed interest except it really didn’t at all. There was a short term negative effect but the overall result has been a sport that sees record revenues and record attendance all around the league not just with the big teams. Baseball has never been more popular in this country than it is now. So please stop pointing to baseball.

    • rainyday56 - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:13 PM

      ” There was a short term negative effect” – yeah, tell that to 30 or so* Marlins fans.

      * that’s all there are.

  5. icrew29 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Suggest to the NHL a franchise player. Each team would get one player as a franchise player who’s salary would not effect the salary cap. That player could also be signed for a term not to exceed 10 years. No team will have more then one player as a franchise player at any time. Accept the 5 year term limit with the 7 year exception for signing there own player. Work with it, it may solve everyone’s conc

    • id4joey - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      icrew29, I’m not sure the franchise player suggestion would cut it. Firstly it benefits the wealthy teams, which is a problem with the current CBA that owners are trying to resolve. Could you imagine how much it would cost to secure your franchise player? The superstars like Giroux, Toews, Crosby etc would not want to commit to long term contracts before attaining UFA status. Once they are UFAs then it becomes an auction. Anyone one of these guys could ask for 10 or 15 million per year, and only a handful of teams could afford those salaries. Secondly, it becomes a nightmare to manage. How to do replace one FP with another? What happens to the previous FP player and his huge contract?

  6. id4joey - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Words of wisdom from AlabamFanRoolTide worth re-posting which applies to this article.

    “As it is, the NHL still has its games canceled through the 14th and if there’s no progress made soon, we could be in for another round of cancellations soon.”

    AlabamaFanRollTide | Dec 7, 2012, 7:42 PM EST
    wow what a prediction from captain obvious

  7. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Oh that is clever rolltide! Except it’s not an insult as I am actually gay and do not view who I sleep with as having any impact on my ability to watch sports and be a fan. So thank you for verifying to everyone your ineptitude to formulate an actual thoughtful response. Your parents must be so proud.

    • manchestermiracle - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

      And he misspelled Turd as Tide.

  8. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    PS watch out the gays are comin for children, your sacred marriage and uh oh your guns! After all we got that Muslim in office didn’t we?

  9. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    gbar22 you are a sinner and will answer to GOD for your sick acts

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[2](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[3](Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

    • rainyday56 - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      There was just too much “mankindin’ goin’ ” on when Leviticus was written.

    • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

      Here ya go Mississippiretard … now go back to your stupid shack and don’t come back !

    • mmcneels81 - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      Oh, f*ck you dude. This is a hockey forum. Religious bigotry has no place in the world… ESPECIALLY not here. Take that little 2000-yr-old book you need to think all your thoughts for you and GTFO.

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Person A: what are you doing friend ? … have you lost your mind ?

        Person: I’m giving that Mmcneels81 a “thumbs up” because what he says is true !

        It’s true Mmcneels81 … that 1 x thumbs up which you see is from yours truly, Blomfeld ! :)

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Person A: what are you doing friend ? … have you lost your mind ?

        Person B: I’m giving that Mmcneels81 a “thumbs up” because what he says is true !

        It’s true Mmcneels81 … that 1 x thumbs up which you see is from yours truly, Blomfeld ! :)

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Dec 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

      Are you really quoting scripture from thousands of years ago in a hockey forum? God, lol, what god? The god of morality? It makes as much sense to scold this guy for being gay on account of a flying spaghetti monster saying being gay is wrong. If someone like you is ‘right’, I’m proud to be wrong, stupid hick

  10. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    I have no problem with only half a season being played, given how much we hear that pre-Christmas games are meaningless anyway. Every game will have playoff implications. And considering that I finally got my season tickets this season (thanks, guys…), I just want to use the f’ing things.

  11. matt8204 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Sound and fury signifying nothing. This is a tired act.

  12. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Oh yes the bible the book that teaches us all to belittle women, the earth is flat, to believe in talking snakes and oh yes there was a great flood and all the animals and people gathered on a single boat.

    Let me guess the dinosaurs are just something the Jews made up and NASA is a government conspiracy. I’m sorry but I stopped believing in fairy tales when I reached that magical age of 3 and my brain began to process actual thought and reasoning.

    To be fair there are good religious people and I welcome them as long as they acknowledge evolution and religion isn’t all terrible it’s just that man is terrible and will take something meant for good and manipulate it into something meant to be used to justify their hate. Ironic Jesus taught of love and yet there is so much hate from Christians towards others. For those who are religious and don’t believe in hate I apologize if I offended.

    • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM

      NASA is a government conspiracy ?

      Gbar22 – A great post friend, very entertaining and so true ! :) Just one thing though regarding the National Aeronautics and Space Administration … man has never left the Earth’s orbit and the Apollo programme was the biggest “non-violent” hoax of the 20th century ! Among other things, please consider the following …

      – visible footprints from astronauts yet no imprint from an 8 ton lunar module ?
      – identical lunar horizons from frame to frame ?
      – blatantly inconsistent shadow lines from frame to frame ?
      – comical flag waving motion in a supposed airless atmosphere ?
      – coke cans clearly seen on the ground in various frames ?
      – Stanley Kubrick hired onto the project during the filming of 2001 Space Odyssey ?

      Of course there’s more. However the point is that “blind” belief in the Apollo moon landings could perhaps be no different than “blind” belief in Noah’s Ark or the parting of the Red Sea ? Just a thought friend ? :)

    • kitshky - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM

      @gbar Well one little issue with your comment, contrary to the Church’s dogma (from centuries ago to the current moronic Creationist) while never claiming to be a scientific text, the Bible itself does not actually contradict science as is commonly assumed. When it comes to the earth being round, being suspended without physical support, and even things such as DNA being contained in the embryo the Bible is shockingly accurate. (Job 26:7 / Ps 139:16 just as two quick examples). But more to your point, I agree that so many who claim to be Christian are complete idiots and clearly have no idea how to be Christ-like.

      Bigger point though, PHT’s been inundated with new idiot trolls lately, just ignore em.

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        Well said Kitshky ! The way I see it, the key in life is to always at least “try” to do the right thing … or in other words, what you think Jesus might have done in a similar situation (ie: probably the world’s nicest person ever) … if everyone could at least do that, then for sure the world would be a better place for all !

        ps: hey man, sorry about offering you that Miss Teen SC video yesterday … I may have been partially tipsy and truth be known, that is one of my favorite clips ! :)

  13. gbar22 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Didn’t the owners request a longer a contract for home grown talent? 7 years as compared to the 5 years they would get in free agency so that would essentially give teams an advantage in keeping franchise players etc.

    • id4joey - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      contract term limits of five years, which Daly described as “the hill we will die on.”

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:40 PM

        Joey – nobody’s going to be dieing on any hill friend ! … I say this thing gets concluded shortly now and we have hockey by Christmas ! … just like the NBA last year as just like many of us have suspected all along ! :)

      • valoisvipers - Dec 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

        Blomfeld I sure hope you are right about hockey for Christmas and this Paul video is truly a gift, Hats off to you sir and Sir Paul too.

  14. dadawg77 - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Doesn’t everyone realize the owners are following a script. They blame the players for not saying yes our no to their last proposal but came back with a counter. In fantasy sports i always assume a counter offer is a no to offered deal and a tweak to it that would be acceptable. The owners rejected it out of hand as they want to out the squeeze on the the players. However this gets settled this our next week.

    Also after reading that fooltide fellow, i have to root for the Catholics.

    • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

      “following a script” ? …

      dadawg77 – That friend is “precisely” what I’ve been suggesting all along … the whole thing is a bloody charade ! The season will start when Bettman and company decide it will start … not a minute before and not a minute later ! And here in Vancouver, we say that’s going to be Christmas ! :)

      • dadawg77 - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        NFL and the NBA followed the exact same script, not sure how many times both sides said there was a no hope only to see a deal a little bit later.

  15. billsin20xx - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Found this petition – let’s blow it up!! Pass it around-

    https://www.change.org/petitions/nhl-and-the-nhlpa-negotiate-a-contract-by-december-15th-or-just-cancel-the-season#

  16. trick9 - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    And here we go, everything starts over once again.

    Step 1: Once the talks have stopped for a while, news come out that they are still talking.
    Step 2: They start meeting more often.
    Step 3: Something good happens and fans start feeling that this might be coming to an end.
    Step 4: Everything falls apart and soon after this starts over.

    Fans don’t deserve this kind of treatment.

  17. sadhockeyfan - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    You are all clueless! Bye bye NHL.

  18. ducksk - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    “Can’t we all just get along”? Rodney king. I don’t care who you sleep with or what you believe in or don’t. I care about the best game in the world not being played right now and no many affected by it. Won’t be a happy holidays for them and thier families. Owners, players, coachs, bartenders and me want my NHL. Leave the insults and trash talk to hockey on this site please.

  19. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    LOL Blomfeld always takes the bait , so easy to come unglued , now he defends gay folks, but that’s no surprise. He’s from Can-Uh-Duh

  20. coreydm80 - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    I thought the NHL wanted 6 year cba before the lockout happened?

  21. coreydm80 - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    I thought the NHL wanted 6 year cba before the lockout happened?

  22. ducksk - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Hey tide, roll this up ur redneck @ss- SHut the f en up. Go watch ur NASCAR reruns and duck dynasty show. Go brush your tooth-as in singular. This is PHT not your personal pulpit. Looser

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

      you gittin mad? , cmon!

      • mmcneels81 - Dec 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM

        not real good with words, huh? Did you mean to say “u mad, bro?” Only an imbecile actually says “u mad, bro,” first of all, and then can’t even say it right. You’re a terrible christian, btw, f*cking redneck piece of trash. Do us all a favor – go dig yer huntin’ rifle outchyer trailer and shoot yerself with it.

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

        No kidding … what’s surprising however is that PHT hasn’t moved yet to simply ban him from the site ? … just take a look at this thread here and notice how the idiot is “refreshing” and thumbing his own ugly comments through the roof … not to mention his multiple handles which all spew the same vile that would get him immediately banned at any other website … a little bit of craziness is good for business no doubt … what this twisted individual is doing however can hardly be called crazy … it’s a despicable “ugliness” which can only hurt this website by ultimately driving people away …

        PS to Yerdon & crew: you might want to deal with this problem before your website is irreparably harmed ? … just saying …

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

      LOL Dumbfeld how many weak attempts have you failed at trying to better one up on me?? you’re nothing but a show boat , filled with horrible , boring drivel . You have on numerous occasions made gay references yourself towards others , so stop the goody two shoe act here old man . I’m owning you every day and you have now finally burst .
      Accept defeat , accept reality, your beloved hockey season is in jeopardy here… as are your posts that anyone will pay attention to…

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        Oh and btw dumbjewfeld I have used the same account , (yes you can change the username on it as many times as you want).. I never changed it to get the “thumbs up” to work for me , I cant help that more folks find my posts to be worthy then they do yours . And as far as you are concerned ducksk , (r grammar cop wanna be ) dont tell me how how to type , cause when you do I seem to be GITTIN you more MAD (minus the stupid “bro” reference)

  23. acieu - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Actually the Bible endorses both gay love and marijuana. It is written that if a
    Man lies with a man he should be stoned. So Roll Tide lighten up.

  24. antkowiak666 - Dec 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    stop talking about it and get a f@$#ing deal done then.

  25. cspsrbums - Dec 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    @corey they started with a 5 year CBA then 6 then 8 and now 10 every time they meet the owners throw in a new one

  26. proudliberal85392 - Dec 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Memo to gbar22 and blomfeld: You two are the best!

    Prepared for the Battle of Interstate 10, blomfeld? I hope so, because your Kings will be embarrassed…and soon. :-)

  27. proudliberal85392 - Dec 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    AlabamaFanRollTide: Your anti-gay and anti-semitic comments have been reported. Have a nice day.

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM

      yawns***

    • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 11:58 PM

      Proudliberal – don’t worry friend, as he’s been “reported” alright ! :) … too funny ! … in fact, the fool doesn’t even realize what’s coming to him ! … anyway, with our battle of the I-10 starting up again and all … please make sure that you Yotes are seriously “ready” this time ! … it looks like we’ll now be getting “intra-conference play” only, once the season begins … and you know what that means eh ? … we’s a com’n fur ya ! :)

      All the King’s horses and all the King’s men … ensure that Los Angeles will win yet again !

  28. dannythebisforbeast - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    @alabamafan what does the bible say about 2 chicks at the same time?

    If I had a million dollars ll tell you what I’d do, man. 2 chicks at the same time, man.

  29. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    It’s an abomination , any same sex relations are frowned upon in the Bible

  30. id4joey - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Alabama whatever the f your name is…
    It’s Can-Uh-Duh Eh!

    • blomfeld - Dec 10, 2012 at 12:03 AM

      Joey – just ignore the loser, as his time here at PHT is about to expire …

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM

        Dumbfeld you’re making physical threats now??? ohhhhhhh coming unglued more then originally anticipated ……..

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:14 AM

        Oh and btw freedom of speech is an awesome thing! , just like I’m sure you THINK being Gay is as well lol …….

        owned

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:18 AM

        hey blomfeld this is for you

    • woodstakes - Dec 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM

      Agreed a troll like him deserves ZERO attention. Unfortunately after reading this thread he got fed entirely to much. If he would like to live in the Old Testament times.. he’s more than welcome to, for I fear that he has an Eye for an Eye coming to him. What makes me smile is knowing that cowards like this are so strong and so tough when they sit at a keyboard typing vile hate that if he were in the same room with anyone who is the “sinner” as he describes he’d sit there clutching his bible wetting himself because he’s to big of a coward to say his views directly to anyone. ALTHOUGH if he’d like to a know a 6’4″ 260lb MMA guy who happens to be gay that would GLADLY debate him in whichever alley of his choosing! LoL

      • blomfeld - Dec 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM

        Woodstakes – were I to be actually sitting face to face with this punk and were I to be in a bad mood ? … well trust me friend, this loser would be flat on his back with a snapped neck like a chicken so fast that he wouldn’t even know what hit him … but such is the age we now live in, eh ? :)

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:16 AM

        LOL!! please tell me you didnt just post this ! do you realize how ignorant that sounded?

  31. thetooloftools - Dec 10, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    YOU CAN ALL GO STRAIGHT TO HELL FROM YOUR GREED AND LACK OF FAN CONCERN !
    F – OFF !

  32. fortwaynekomets - Dec 10, 2012 at 4:00 AM

    Notre Dame is going to win

    screw Alabama and its surrounding communities….LMAO.

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