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Fehr claims sides were “very close” to a deal

Dec 8, 2012, 5:22 PM EDT

Donald Fehr, Kevin Westgath, George Parros AP

NHLPA head Donald Fehr addressed the Canadian Auto Workers on Saturday, but many – including’s Tim Panaccio – believe that his messages were really aimed at the owners.

Most notably, Fehr said that the two sides were “very close” to getting a deal done, but after saying that it was more or less rhetoric time again (via Sportsnet).

“All I can tell you is there had been some movement,” Fehr said. “We responded with some movement, we think we’re done on the dollars or close to it … It seemed to me that we ought to be able to move forward and finish things off (but) they have not indicated a willingness to move forward.”

Fehr goes on to say there has been some communication since things blew up on Thursday, yet nothing substantial.

There are the occasional players who seem to speak out sporadically, but Chris Campoli ranks among those who emphasize the support Fehr generally enjoys.

“He’s our guy, he’s our leader and we believe in him,” Campoli said. “There’s not going to be a deal without him.”

Ryan Kesler also expressed his approval, claiming that Fehr’s leadership has “never been stronger.”

So Fehr claims that the sides might be close and the players seem firmly behind their leader, but what’s next?

“You keep negotiating,” Fehr said.

It’s just unclear when that may resume.

  1. bensawesomeness - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Like most of you, i started this lockout 100% on the players side, how dare the owners ask for so much, how dare they not be more reasonable, ect.

    But i must admit, although i’m not his biggest fan, the few minute speech Gary Bettman gave summarizing talks over the last week or so, combined with the overall feel that the owners are trending more towards the ‘middle ground’ while players are not, have led me to flip-flop.

    I do not endorse either side, nor does anyone really care if i do, but at this point, i feel like the reason there’ll be no hockey this week lies more on the NHLPA than the NHL.

    I want this deal done. I’m so mad about this lockout, and i dont think either side fully understands how much of a laughing stock the NHL is now in the sports world. Or if they do, they obviously care more about that extra few million than getting a deal done.

    Gentlemen, every day a deal doesn’t get done is another fan lost forever.

    • 8man - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

      I started the lockout on the owners side. I’m still there. How dare the rank and file even think they have a right to tell a league how to run it’s business. It’s akin to a hooker telling you how she wants it. Really? There is no need for a union because there is no need for an anti-trust exemption. There are hockey leagues throughout the world. Let the players play in them.

      Done with the players. Done with Fehr. Just done. I’ll be a Bruins fan for life and I won’t care who wears the spoked B. But the ones that do, whenever that is, will be my guys. But I firmly understand that it’s ownership and coaching that make it all possible.

      • tatdue - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

        I can see you now, front and center with your big sign that says “GO JACOBS GO” lol…That is some funny sh!t you wrote there buddy…..

      • 8man - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:14 PM

        Yes. That would be me. Don’t forget “wearing my Bruins stiped stocking knit cap.” Meant every word. I always like the little men who root for the union to stick it to the “mean and greedy owners”. The same owners that pay the players, employ the support staff, pay the bills, arrange for the arenas, hotels, etc. . It’s like hoping you get to see the tail wag the dog. Heh.

        I want NHL hockey. February and March will be far less entertaining without it. But a part of me can’t wait to hear the hiss of the air leaving the NHLPA’s balloon if the season gets cancelled and several players realize their careers are over. What will Fehr do for them? Idiots.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

        There’s also gas stations all over the world so why shouldn’t all your local stations be able to work together to decide prices? It’s not anti competition cause you could go to Austria to fill up right?

        Sorry chief it doesn’t work that way, you have 30 separate franchises with 29 separate owners working together under one set of employment rules, if the league wants to keep that they need the union. If the league wants to get rid of the draft, free agency as we know it, minimum salaries, salary caps, salary floors, minimum and maximum roster sizes etc then yes by all means the union can go. If they want to keep all of those things though they need the union.

        MLB has already lost an antitrust lawsuit, NHL owners know that and I don’t think NHL owners want to go down the treble damages road.

      • dcfan4life - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

        The players would easily have a point if every team in the NHL made money every year. But not all of them do. The owners have made their intentions clear, and they have shown with the last cancelled season how far they will go. I mean they already cancelled their super bowl in the Winter Classic. How the players can ignore these things and expect to get everything they want is just stupid. Its no wonder the owners are furious. And they should be.

      • 8man - Dec 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

        Actually McDonald’s Restaurants essentially behaves the same way. Standard menu, labor standards, uniforms, single point of resource purchases, etc. Why aren’t they union? Why aren’t they held to an anti-trust standard? Here’s why. Money. There is a greater concentration of money involved in a sports franchise than a restaurant franchise. If the NHL weren’t the premier league in the world and the best one to play for, do you think they could float 30 franchises? It’s bullsh!t.

        And I’d bet my last dollar that many, many players would just as soon dissolve the damn union and get back to playing.

        Here is why unions make sense. Because tradesmen can report to their respective union halls and get assigned to job sites and work areas to provide the labor and coordination necessary to keep jobs moving. Unions also provide a standard for wages and skill development. That’s an efficient use of time and talent.

        That being said, this discourse has reminded me that this is a lockout, not a strike and I should probably be more forgiving of the NHLPA. So they need take as long as it takes, but fix it once and for all.

  2. travishenryskid - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    They were close to a deal. And then Don Fehr entered the room.

    • gc19 - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:25 PM

      how many times can someone thumbs up a comment?

      • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        as much as you like, which is what a lot of the “insecure” people do here … just by “erasing history” you can thumbs up to your heart’s content … but don’t forget that’s only for the “insecure” people …

      • ron05342 - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:57 PM

        @blomfeld: I never knew that…sounds like a bug on this website.

        I can’t imagine there are people out there that would do that repeatedly. Talk about insecurities, wow.

      • gc19 - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM

        it’s a shame this much has been lost. half the guys that went overseas came back, and there’s no room for the 3rd and 4th liners over there, so there’s a lot of guys not getting paid. secret ballot like Cherry said.

      • tatdue - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM

        You need an offer to vote on first. It’s a shame that Bettman pulled theirs off the table….wonder why?

      • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

        @Ron05342 – before I came upon that simple procedure, I always wondered how some lame “three word” retort could possibly garner 40 x thumbs up within the span of sixty seconds ? … and if you look closely, you’ll find that it’s usually the same handles doing it over and over (ie: you folks know who you are, eh ? 😉 ) … but you’re right, such a tactic is reserved for those who are “insecure” … and yet that’s fine too, just as long as people are having fun here, which is the whole idea, right ? :)

      • somekat - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM


        To stop a typical, and weak, negotiating strategy. After the talks blow up, when the restart, instead of acting like reality happened, and the owners gave them that as a best offer, they would pretend it was the starting point for future talks. The way to nip that in the bud is to make sure they realize that deal is not still available, let along a starting point

      • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:53 PM

        *** Get your “BETTMAN ROCKS” t-shirts now ! ***

  3. whatthepuck2012 - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Stronger than ever??? Really. Wow.

  4. ducksk - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Talk about preaching to a choir? Speak to a bunch of union guys about getting screwed by the man. I wish Fehr would shut his ugly face, admit he is the wrong man and step aside. I see both sides in this…..but get real, if the owners will only go so far then that’s it. Hence the name owner. Bring in replacement players and those willing to work under last proposed CBA. Those that are not are free to go to Eurpoe and take someone else’s job. I AM not anti union, pro owner….but you can only push so far if you still want a job. Big risk by the players. What about my friend in Europe who was making $180k skating and now has no job because some die hard union guy felt free to take his work fr his family. F em all. Owners and players.

    • shotzongoal - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:53 PM

      It’s weird that people can’t see that 200 players in Europe are displaced because 200 NHL players took their jobs. And It doesn’t seem to annoy the fans in North America that the some of the same players we cheered for last are now playing for fans in Europe for far less that they made last year in the NHL. 35% less plus insurance in the KHL.

      • manchestermiracle - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM

        Many of those players are going back to play where they came from. When they left for the NHL there were spots open for players who might otherwise not have made those teams. Always two sided to every coin.

  5. blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM


    Take five seconds people and consider this. If Bettman does have an NBA-styled plan in place as I’ve suggested, which calls for the start-up of play at some predetermined date, then what “exactly” do you think is supposed to be happening right now ? That’s right, absolutely “nothing” ! Or in other words, maybe the “nothing” which we’ve been treated to here for the last three months ? Now for some people, perhaps “nothing” is misconstrued by fake press conferences, phoney meetings, staged arguments, alleged upsets, fabricated setbacks, etc ? Well fair enough, as people are free to think whatever they want. But the fact remains that “nothing” is still nothing, regardless of whatever spin you want to put on it ! And all we’ve seen to date from these people, is nothing but a whole lot of “nothing” !

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

      Weren’t you saying November? Also you are aware that by not playing 60 games the NHL is on breach of their contracts with their major sponsors and have to pay penalties right? Or that the NBC contract that pays them this year regardless extends for an extra free year at the end (where in theory tv rights will be worth much more just based on inflation) or that the lucrative new Canadian tv contracts get pushed back another year?

      Yep your idea of Bettman having some hatched plan and putting together fake press conferences so that they can get attention (not in the US though) and then eventually play a 48 game schedule, and losing a massive amount of money in the end, sounds bang on….

      • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:43 PM

        @Watergate – please notate my comments below, which says among other things …

        ” Like you, I also believe that Bettman wanted this “apparent” impasse all along, which is contingent upon a later “predetermined” start date. I did honestly believe that they’d start by Thanksgiving, however that date has since come and gone. So now my best guess is that one of two things are playing out ….

        1) Bettman has run into a brick wall and is unable to execute his delayed start as originally planned ?

        2) Bettman is continuing to play for time, as his delayed start date is still sometime off ?

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

      Again his “delayed start being sometime off” theory doesn’t make any sense since the NHL falling below the 60 game mark ends up costing the league a huge amount of money both now and in the future (sponsorship penalties now, the free 11th year they owe NBC in the future) and that amount will be worth more than what they’re squabbling with the players over now.

      The owners wanted to break the union, just like they did in 05, and the union brought in Fehr to ensure that wouldn’t happen again, so far neither side has blinked. No grand plans about delayed start dates it’s simply two sides that are both waiting for the other to give in.

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM

        watergate – yes, that could indeed be what’s happening ? … guess we’ll see though one way or the other pretty soon, eh ? :)

  6. gc19 - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    F#ck you Fehr! Almost had a deal then he tells players to hold out for more. Either way he doesn’t care, whether there’s a season or not, he gets paid. I agree with Cherry! A secret ballot vote which will eliminate that guy. If they were close why doesn’t he insist on meeting ASAP on behalf of the players?

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 8, 2012 at 8:35 PM

      I heard on TSN that when owners heard Fehr was coming back into the room some said, “That could be a deal-breaker.” So the NHL is not willing to negotiate in good faith with Fehr and is attempting to dictate how the NHPLA is operating throughout this by forcing Fehr to be absent. They want the union boss absent when a labour issue is settled. That is so unreasonable and delusional but yet somehow Fehr is the one to blame? He’s just doing his job and that is enough to upset Bettman, Jacobs, and Co. so much that they sever negotiations time and again.

      • somekat - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:25 AM

        PA has plenty of other people that can negotiate. Fehr is the union head, not the unions lead negotiator (unless he has a double title I don’t know about). It’s not like they demanded Bettman be there but not Fehr.

        It’s a reasonable position if the owners don’t feel Fehr is negotiating in good faith. Personally, I don’t think he is. He is more worried about scoring a win for union rights than he is with getting the best deal for his members.

        Whether that is true is not is unkown, like you said you “heard it on TSN”. It’s by no means true that they didn’t want him there at the end, or that it was a “deal breaker”. But to answer your question, yes, if everyone involved is upbeat and thinks progress is being made, you show up, and within 2 hours everything is blown up to the point that the offer is pulled, it’s pretty easy to figure out that some blame lays at your feet

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

        If a deal is to be consummated or at least closed in on you would expect the union had to be in the room. Things seem to have “blown up” because the NHL wanted a yes or no response to their offer and the PA had the audacity to produce a counteroffer! What an underhanded move!

        P.S. if you hear something hockey-related on TSN you can be about 99% certain of its accuracy. Their guys are all over this thing.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      Fehr’s only job is to get the players the best possible deal that he can. You can be mad about him all you want but essentially you’re mad at him for doing exactly what he was hired to do. Also I would point out Fehr wasn’t the one who locked the doors, he told the NHL that the union was willing to sign a no strike agreement for this season and work under the terms of the old CBA while the two sides negotiated, the NHL said no and locked the doors.

  7. shotzongoal - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    What I would like to see is the league give it’s true, best and final offer to the union officials. The union would have to submit the offer to the player to vote. While Don Fehr could advise against the offer, all players voices could be heard in secret ballot. If rejected, there’s no hockey season but at least it would be over quicker. I think it would be ratified. Last night the local network replayed a Lightning game from the Stanley Cup season and It really made me realize how much I miss the game.

    • tatdue - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:24 PM

      Hell I’d like to see an offer period instead of all the demands and bullsh!t we’ve seen so far…

      • shotzongoal - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

        If you’d like to see the offer maybe you could read all about what was pulled off the table Thursday night. In case you didn’t hear, rather than accept or decline the NHL’s offer the PA presented a counter offer. It is all over the news.

      • tatdue - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:55 PM

        Don’t you mean the offer that Bettman pulled off the table and cried about rather then keep negotiating from? If it truly was an offer then instead of pulling it off the table when the players tried to counter it, they could have just came back to the players and said no to their counter, and that they have to take it as is…..If they would have done that then the players might have decided to vote on it. It just goes to show that the owners never intended to make it an actual proposal and that it was just another PR move to try to create a rift between the players and Fehr. The owners know that in order to close any deal that Fehr would have to come back and they played it well is all….

      • shotzongoal - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:32 PM

        @tatdue Yes that’s the one. So you do know about the offer Bettman pulled off the table. I thought you said you’d like to see an offer, period. When the PA countered the leagues offer they rejected it. They could have said well we accept it or we would like to modify this or that but they didn’t do that. They disregarded the NHL’s offer and presented their own offer. If the owners never intended to make an actual proposal then I guess there would have be nothing to pull off the table. The actual proposal was what the PA ignored. And you’re right, Fehr played it to get more out of the owners. But from what I am reading, a lot of people that matter feel he may have overplayed his hand. We shall see next week.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 9, 2012 at 7:34 PM

        Tatoo There had to be an offer for Fehr to counter offer and his counter ignored the 3 points that the owners said were key points and one was considered to be “The hill they die on” So who dicking us around here.

  8. spicyjimbolaya - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Any passive-aggressive BSer can SAY they were close to a deal, but all it takes is to look at actions and non-actions and it is plain to see Fehr is the roadblock to progress.

    Face it, we all know a limp richard like him at our offices.

  9. ducksk - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    And if you were an owner with a 300 million investment making 5 million or less or even loosing $, and you pay 70 million a. Year in player salary + GM’s, coaches, trainers etc….your telling me just let the super rich business guy loose $ so we can enjoy the game? If the average player makes 2.5 million, and the perks, pensions and live like rock stars, who are the fools here. Old saying “if you have too much $, buy a hockey team”. So, you anti capitalists, why don’t you and your chump friends go buy a team and let’s see how you run it. I would sure like to hear from super Mario on this thing. Bet he could add a little perspective. And those of you you who ridiculed Ted Lyndsey, the father of the PA for his comments, shame on you for not knowing NHL history. NGO buy a team, losers. And fight the fight for the players.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

      A sports team isn’t about year to year profit it’s about the increase in the value of your team. As you’ve pointed out $5 million for the owners is nothing it’s about their team increasing exponentially in value so that when they sell it that’s when they cash in.

      You go on about “anti-capitalists” with that in mind I’m guessing you’re disgusted by the NHL’s use of an entry draft, salary cap as well as any sort of restricted free agency? Since all of those by their very nature restrict one’s abilities to market their skills and go against true capitalism. In that case you should be rooting for the PA to decertify since then we could see the end of all of those things as well as the owners paying treble damages for their communist policies!

  10. gcbean - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    F it. These guys are a bunch of jokers. Back to the NFL playoff race.

  11. sportsfan69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Hey Donald Fehr,

    Call Gary privately. State the NHLPA will agree the last CBA proposal by the owners with one last condition, to allow for the player contracts to go – 6 years, instead of 5 years. Also, signing with the player’s team for 8 years, instead of 7 years. This way you can look good for your players, for not agreeing to Thursday’s deal.

    If I was you, I would execute this as quickly as possible. the NHLPA public opinion is at all time low right now. If you do this, both of you can come out looking like heroes.

    Email or Fax a Letter of Intent for an Agreement. Letter of Intent for an agreement with all Thursday’s proposal with the exception of the last modification as stated.

    I’ve been involved with CBA’s for over twenty years, private and public sectors. If you don’t NOW, by this weekend. The season will be cancelled. Nobody wins! The fans lose.

    • shotzongoal - Dec 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM

      You know what, that is all it really takes. An honest private phone call between the two. Something like, “We’ll both give some and we will portray that we’re unhappy” (which they really are) and make sure no one loses face. It really is that easy.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:13 PM

      Again though it’s not Fehr’s job to worry about the PA’s public opinion or even how the fans are feeling about hockey in general. He’s a mercenary who was brought in simply to get the players the best possible CBA he can, nothing more, nothing less. In his opinion he hasn’t gotten that yet, if the players don’t like that they’re free to fire him which is exactly what the NHL wants the players to do.

      • sportsfan69 - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:47 AM


  12. joeyashwi - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    blomfeld- I agree with you that Bettman and the owners had a predetermined date in their minds, hence the lack of real negotiations until recently. I also believe that the NHLPA not accepting the latest deal threw a skyscraper sized wrench in their plan. I’ve been on the players’ (not Fehr’s) side through this until Fehr decided to “hold out for more”.
    Bettman was truly upset for the first time during his press conference and I’m not sure what is going to happen now as I believe Bettman and the owners assumed this last offer was the “get it done” deal.
    I haven’t agreed with much you or id4joey have said up to this point but just wonder if either of you have any “inside” info as to whether I might be right or not.

    • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      joeyashwi – In all seriousness, I can tell you that I have absolutely no sources. Everything and anything I ever say here at PHT comes from “me” and me only. I’m just a humble fan like pretty much everyone else (GO KINGS GO !!!) and therefore I’ve no more idea of what’s really going on than the next guy. Nonetheless, that doesn’t stop us from “free” thinking and discussing our thoughts. And so I will say that I’ve probably got a better ability to “smell a rat” than most ? … or so I’ve been told throughout my life and so has been my experience. Now with this lockout business, my feeling from the start was that something “stinks” to high heaven and today that stench is almost unbearable ! Like you, I also believe that Bettman wanted this “apparent” impasse all along, which is contingent upon a later “predetermined” start date. I did honestly believe that they’d start by Thanksgiving, however that date has since come and gone. So now my best guess is that one of two things are playing out ….

      1) Bettman has run into a brick wall and is unable to execute his delayed start as originally planned ?

      2) Bettman is continuing to play for time, as his delayed start date is still sometime off ?

      Of those two possibilities, I suspect that the latter is most likely the truth. Maybe it was the plan all along to replicate the NBA model from last year and start the season on Christmas Day ? If it was, then that would certainly explain all of this silly “back and forth” nonsense ! I personally don’t like that because it waters down the integrity of the league. But if that’s what they want, then I suppose that’s what we’ll get, right ?

      ps: regarding Id4joey ? … well I only know him “electronically” like you guys, though I will say that I find him to be immensely informative and very entertaining … and you can easily tell that he’s a “good” guy … nonetheless, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he actually was a “notable” person in real life, as there are “subtle” giveaways in his banter that suggest he could be more than he claims ? … and I’m not referring to the “sources and voices” which he references to humor everyone ! :) … no, there’s something in the structure and content of his submissions which is consistent with someone who is more than just an everyday blogger …

  13. sportsfan69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM


    I concur with your comments in regards to id4joey. He’s someone with some inside information, that is a passionate hockey fan. To all the haters out there, cut him slack. He’s good a guy.

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

      more mulitple screen names I see

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:19 AM

        whatever you say Einstein …

    • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:59 PM

      Sportsfan – A good guy no doubt … just like there’s no doubt these fools don’t realize who they’re messing with, eh ? :)

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM

        keep dancing monkey , keeep dancing

      • sportsfan69 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:12 AM

        The Clint Eastwood clips are great. Thanks!

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM

        Sportsfan69 friend – If Clint Eastwood isn’t my favorite actor of all time, then he sure is # 2 ! :)

  14. broadstbully33 - Dec 8, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    It’s all crosbys fault give him the credit he deserves

  15. dcfan4life - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    You know how you can tell Fehr is lying? His mouth is moving…

  16. capsrockva - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    I don’t care how, just get the dam thing done for the fans sake please. I don’t want a winter w/o hockey. This is stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. klownboy - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Bettman stinks. Shame on the NHL for not firing this fool by now.

    • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:57 AM

      Buy your “BETTMAN RULES” t-shirts now !

  18. sportsfan69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    “Very Close” like in horse shoes. “Almost”

    What’s the next lying charade.

    Take my advice, reach out to Garry Bettman. You’re losing your credibility.

    • somekat - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

      Very close is a good thing in horse shoes.

      Thats why the phrase says “close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades”

      If you know that already, your post is epicly confusing

      • blomfeld - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM

        Somekat – Close also counts in “carpet bombing” and close-range “shotgun” blasts … but regardless, what exactly do you mean by “epicly” ? … are you trying to say “epically” or something ? … don’t take this personally, but you punks and your new-age “know it all” techno ignorance, are now starting to seriously bug me !

  19. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM


  20. bleed4philly - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    What does Fehr think he’s doing??? Such an idiot!

  21. jjpileggi - Dec 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    I was at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto on Friday. I think the best way to settle the dispute is to lock both sides in the Main Hall and not let them out until they have a deal. The spirits of the Builders and Players enshrined in that Hall will surely force the sides to consider the Game and the legacy they currently are custodians of.

    John Pileggi

  22. bokun59elboku - Dec 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    You think the owners’ games are new? Think again. They have been pleading poverty from the beginning of time. Guess what year this was said by owners?The financial results of the past season prove that salaries must come down. We believe that players in insisting on exorbitant prices are injuring their own interests by forcing out of existence clubs which cannot be run and pay large salaries except at a large personal loss.
    The season financially has been a little better than that of …, but the expenses of many of the clubs have far exceeded their receipts, attributable wholly to the high salaries. In view of these facts, measures [italics added] have been taken by this League to remedy the evil to some extent for ….


  23. sportsfan69 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM


    The video is reality in the South. It’s sad. It’s like the NHLPA. “Too Many Boys.”

    That’s our new America in the South. Red States (GOP-Republican) and proud of it. They do whatever their master tells them to do. Having an education and a mind/opinion of our own is NOT allowed. It’s like Germany in the late 1920’s- 1930’s. A rural population that is easily influenced and swayed.

  24. billsin20xx - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Found this petition – let’s blow it up!! Pass it around-

  25. sportsfan69 - Dec 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM


    Clint Eastwood is great. Likewise, Thanks!

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