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NHL, union not expected to meet this weekend

Dec 7, 2012, 6:49 PM EST

Fehr and Bettman AP

After the dramatic collapse of talks on Thursday, it looks like the NHL and union will allow for a bit of a cooling off period.

The two sides will not meet over the weekend, according to Sportsnet’s John Shannon. However, they might still correspond.

NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr presented the owners with an offer on Thursday that he thought might lead to the end of this lockout. Fehr felt that, among other things, there was a complete agreement on “dollars.” However, the owners promptly rejected that offer and disagreed with the notion that the two sides were close.

Bettman accused NHLPA excecutive director Donald Fehr of “spinning us all into an emotional frenzy.” He said that the owners expected the players to give them a yes or no response to the owners demands on three key areas: five-year player contract limits, a “longer the better” CBA, and compliance issues related to transitioning to a new agreement (e.g. buyouts, cap on escrow).

As a result, they did not react favorably to the players choosing to instead present them with a new offer.

The league has pulled the concessions that they made over the past week off the table, including the Make Whole proposal in its entirety.

With that in mind, it is hard to say how much of a gap there will be to close when the two sides finally resume talks.

  1. akmd1984 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    That sound you hear, while it may sound like crickets, is actually the sound of nobody caring anymore. Good job NHL/PA

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      I still care. I want to watch NHL hockey. But, I agree with you. The union just walked away from a 300 make whole/pension provision that was a good faith gesture by moderate owners who wanted to move the process forward.

      That offer got scoffed at and those moderates now have every reason to join the hardliners. The players have no one to blame but their union chief.

      • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM

        They can all got to MSG and watch the circus. Call it a big mirror, lots of real clowns on both sides.

    • dcfan4life - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM

      The worst part of all this is plenty of players thought the owners offer was fair. And if you took a poll of the league if they all read the proposal and voted, we would have a deal. But as usual the few in charge speaking for the masses mess things up and the hockey season is in jeopardy. Whats worse is the players who want to speak out or humiliated for doing so, even though it seems clear most are frustrated that Fehr is pushing for more concessions when the owners had already offered so much.

    • id4joey - Dec 8, 2012 at 9:13 AM

      I’ve been watching NHL hockey since the 60s living in one of the original 6 cities, and walked away from it in 2002 while living in Southern California. I suppose it was easy to do since there are someone things to do down in So Cal. The game at the time was nothing more than clutch and grab. It was boring hockey during the regular season, and then magically it got exciting during the playoffs. The 2004 World Cup of Hockey renewed by interest for the game, and I just couldn’t wait for the season to start. Unfortuneately, that season was cancelled, and when 05 brought us the new NHL, I was hooked again. What is happening now is disgusting from the game perspective, but it’s the ugly business side, but it doesn’t take anything away from the exciting brand of hockey we get to enjoy.

  2. rico33rd - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Agree completely, time to move on and maybe both sides will realize they are only providing a few hours of entertainment a week. Very easily replaced!

  3. dbarnes79 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Goodnight and good luck.

  4. id4joey - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    More games to be cancelled shortly. Stay tuned!

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM

      wow what a prediction from captain obvious

  5. majbobby - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Kill the sport already. I am done with it.

    • windmiller4 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

      dont kill the sport, just kill the league. Most people are sick and tired of the bs involved with the nhl anyways. Just start watching juniors, college, and even local youth hockey

      • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:17 PM

        Better yet suit up and play with your friends in a league and then support your bartenders and waitress at your pub, they’re hurting with now no fools, I mean NHL Hockey on TV

  6. blomfeld - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    It’s called the “Intermission” !

    In any “quality” stage performance, breaks or “intermissions” are always required in-order to provide the actors with a rest, allow for set & costume changes and to grant patrons the opportunity to exhale and tend to any pressing personal needs. And therefore it should come as no surprise that Bettman, Fehr and company will be taking this weekend off. However the show will likely recommence on either Monday or Tuesday and further “riveting” drama is sure to unfold. But with each passing day now, we’re getting closer and closer to the end of this silly charade and the start-up of the show we really want to see … NHL hockey ! :)

    • windmiller4 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

      youre a freakin idiot for comparing the nhl to a show. Go back to watching broadway..

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

      oh look jewfeld is back

      • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        Still fighting the Civil War eh ? Be civil, Klan now longer hanging Jews, their banks owned your house before you were foreclosed and evicted.And half your Federal taxes go to Israel.So be nice yahear ?

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM

      Priceless Blomfeld

    • badintent - Dec 9, 2012 at 2:12 AM

      Nice one, but Brando culture is useless on this blog, next time roll the native dance scene on “Mutiny on the Bounty “, it’s the closest thing to a lap dance for Minnie ice fisherman.

  7. notsurewhy2 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    that thumbnail pic with fehr and bettman makes my skin crawl

  8. Stiller43 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    I assume they took their offer off the table as a threat…if the nhlpa comes back and says “alright we’ll take the deal you had offered,” the nhl SHOULD (and i think would) put that deal back in place.

  9. thebadguyswon - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    The players knew this when they brought that schmuck Fehr in. Donald Fehr is where sports seasons go to die.

  10. thebadguyswon - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Now….does anyone still think the NHL – the players and the owners – gives a rat’s ass about the fans?

    HINT: Its the money…not you.

  11. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    How much money do the players need to play the game—that they loved since they were a kid carrying

  12. keepphil - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Here is the issue…Don Fehr said “no we will get more” so now he has to actually not take a deal unless there is more in it because in the meanwhile they miss another check next week and more games. Well after his antics the league will not let him get even the same deal so with his ego we have no season until he is fired. This is how negotiations go when you involve a person that does not care about the constituents or the organization.

    Fehr is fine with risking being the goat to have a chance to be the hero…well he misplayed this badly and will be the former.

  13. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    How much money do people need when back in the day we carried sticks, shovels and skates to play the game we loved??????

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM

      careful zuke statements like that date you.Sadly I also remember them all too well.

  14. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    I’m interested to hear what “some say”

  15. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    What happened to love of the game???

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:46 PM

      It’s become nothing but a snooze fest , a no hit league , they want to ban fighting eventually , they call a penalty on an average of every 6 minutes , no touch icing, no instigating a fight with under 6 minutes left in a game is it? , people will really miss this ? a sport where nearly half of it’s players cant even speak English ?

      • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:25 PM

        or spell it like You.

  16. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    I wish somebody say something. Anyone shovel for three hours to play for an hour??

  17. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    Question: Will Fehr post a pic?

  18. zuke13 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    I apologize to those reading my emotions are skewed by the love of the game

  19. fortwaynekomets - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Zuke, I hear you. I used to make my own ice rinks out of tarp and 2×4’s. and that was when I was 5 years old.

    from age 5 to 18… I PAYED to played the game, roughly $1000 bucks a year, actually a lot more when you consider gas and travel to all the tournaments. then you out grow equipment every year. ice hockey is definitely not a poor man’s sport.

    I realize the NHL players put their bodies and health on the line, but its what they LOVE to do. nobody is forcing them to play, help there are a million kids out there that would PAY to be a part of an NHL team.

  20. sportsfan69 - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Hey Blomfeld,

    Could you please post the following:

    Valkyrie – Operation Valkyrie in Action, off YouTube it’s 5 mins 21 sec in length.

    An example of removing the problem, it will take a group of players who love their sport more than their egos, pride, and money. Someone in the players association needs to be a Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg.

    • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:49 AM

      Achtung Comrade Sportsfan69 !

      Yes friend, I will now “here-in” endeavor to post that video as requested by your good self ! :) On a side note, it’s obvious that your share a love for “sober” history like me and so “bravo to you” for that ! You’re probably aware that July 20th is a very poignant date in the minds of most Germans, even today. Hitler was a monster to many, but towards the German people, he was the “greatest” monster of all. What Von Stauffenburg attempted to do was the work of God, even though it did fail in the end. Yet in the greater context of time, his noble actions were just another example of the “decency” among us humans, which must surely carry the day in the end ! God bless you friend …

      _____________________________________________________________

      On 20 July 1944, an attempt was made to assassinate Adolf Hitler, Führer of the Third Reich, inside his Wolf’s Lair field headquarters near Rastenburg, East Prussia. The plot was the culmination of the efforts of several groups in the German Resistance to overthrow the Nazi-led German government. The failure of both the assassination and the military coup d’état which was planned to follow it led to the arrest of at least 7,000 people by the Gestapo.[1] According to records of the Führer Conferences on Naval Affairs, 4,980 of these were executed,[1] resulting in the destruction of the organized resistance movement in Germany for the remainder of World War II.

      ____________________________________________________________

      • sportsfan69 - Dec 9, 2012 at 12:01 AM

        Thanks Blomfled.

  21. sportsfan69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM

    Herr Blomfled,

    danke Conrade. Haben Sie einen schönen Tag.

    God speed to the NHL.

  22. id4joey - Dec 8, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    Did anyone notice the look on the players faces standing behind Fehr when he announced they were close to a deal? They all looked as though they we’re watching their own burial. Tell tell sign that Fehr was pulling the strings and attempting a strategy that the players did not agree with, which he has every right to do because he is after all trying to get the max for the players. I just hope he doesn’t push them over the cliff. The only negotiation skills I have is with children when it’s time to choose between a fruit or candy for dessert, and I usually lose. Smiley! Anyway! I’m sure both sides are only trying to do what’s best for them, but, nonetheless it’s too bad that we’re missing out on the best hockey there is. Sure, there are other leagues, but, the fastest and best game happens when the NHL is in a action. Whatever can be salvaged this year is in the hands of the players. Boys! Don’t shoot yourselves in th foot.

    • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

      “Did anyone notice the look on the players faces standing behind Fehr? ?

      @Id4joey – I’ve been noticing that too friend, pretty much from day one. However I don’t read their sullen expressions so much as “fear” like you. What I see is more “ignorance” or “naivete” if you will ? For them to have genuine “fear” would imply that they’ve got a solid grasp of what’s potentially at stake here and I just don’t see these clowns being that astute. No, I see their stoic expressions as nothing more than what one expects from children when thrust onto an adult’s stage.

      Nevertheless, at the end of the day there’s nothing to fear ! We will have hockey this season for sure and your NBA “template” theory is now looking more and more like the eventual outcome. And besides, come the playoffs in June next year, nobody is going to give a hoot whether the season was 82 games or 52 games … nobody ! :)

  23. bruinsfan1953 - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    The players and owners are fighting for who gets our money . Remember that they want our money . The people rule tjis thing and until we all flex our muscle this will happen again and again

  24. id4joey - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Remember that they only get what we give them. Supply and demand.

    • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      Yes and no friends … while the demand side of this equation is indeed defined by “our” spending, I would argue that such spending in Canada is “inelastic” by virtue of the game’s popularity here … and given the fact that northwards of 80% of the league’s operating income comes from just the seven Canadian teams, the fickle or “elastic” demand for NHL hockey Stateside which accounts for less than 20% of operating income, is neither here nor there … :)

  25. omniusprime - Dec 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    No talks means perfect progress towards destroying the most pathetic excuse for a pro sport, pro hockey. It’s heartening to see both sides hunker down becoming more militant in their positions. Won’t be long before January has to be canceled, hopefully then they’ll just end the season. I’m so happy that the morons in the NHL didn’t learn from the recent NFL and NBA strikes as to how to end a lockout and save a season.

    End the NHL, Don’t Worry – Be Happy!!!

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