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Crombeen: It’s “mind-boggling” that NHL broke off talks

Dec 7, 2012, 8:12 PM EDT

BJ Crombeen

B.J. Crombeen is a part of the NHLPA’s negotiating committee and described the dramatic collapse of the CBA talks on Thursday as “mind-boggling,” based on a Tampa Bay Times report.

The owners offered the players an additional $100 million in the hope that the players would concede to the NHL’s demands in three key areas. Talks broke down after the players came back to the owners with a counter-offer rather than the yes or no response the owners were looking for.

As far as Crombeen is concerned, the league was employing a “bully tactic.”

“The deal is right there in front of them,” Crombeen said Friday. “It’s pretty simple for them if they want to make a deal, but they made it very clear to us that they don’t. They’re trying to squeeze five more cents out of a deal that can be done, and we can be back playing hockey sooner.”

Crombeen argues that there’s only a “minimal” difference between what the players are offering and the owners are asking for.

“They’re just saying it’s our way or the highway. It’s the wrong way to go about it,” Crombeen said. “They can say how much they’re giving up and how much they’re going beyond what they’re supposed to, but you look at the deal we’re giving up and the deal we’re going to get and in every single aspect of it we’re giving up.”

The CBA that the players were offering contains conditions less favorable to them than the CBA that expired. That being said, the league would argue that they’ve altered their stance significantly since the lockout began.

“We moved drastically in almost every area we had and their big gift was to give us back free agency and salary arbitration and entry-level contracts to what they are right now,” Crombeen said. “It’s mind-boggling that they expect us to think that’s a fair and equitable deal.”

The NHL stated Thursday night that the concessions they made over the week are now off the table. In addition to that, they are no longer offering the Make Whole proposal.

It remains to be seen when talks will resume again.

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  1. ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Anything accusations against the owners after the dog and pony show Fehr put on after a day and a half of worthwhile negotiation should fall on def ears.

    The player’s had their golden goose sitting there for the taking. The owners were going to own up to all the contracts they signed over the summer….AND pay the players 250 million for games they didn’t have to play during this lockout AND put 50 million into their pension fund. Just as long as the HRR was 50/50 and the CBA was 10 years.

    Fehr wanted to be manipulative, the players followed him like the cattle they hate being labeled as, and now the owners are tired of negotiating.

    Fehr is a cancer!

    • dcfan4life - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

      Ya this is mostly untrue. The counter proposal the players offered was very different. Hence why the owners were blown away at the progress they thought they made. Fehr told players they can hold out for more, yet Crombeen thinks the owners were trying to squeeze some more cents. This is ridiculous. The owners for once are right. They conceded in more areas than they thought they would, even after saying they wouldnt. But in some areas the owners have made it clear they will not budge and to have the NHLPA trying to convince us there being squeezed and not understanding the situation is utterly ridiculous. Its rare to be on the owners side in such disputes, but if anyones paying attention here they would know, Fehr is wrong, and killing our chances of hockey this year.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

        That’s what is so irritating. I know the players are entitled to negotiate their fair share and I know they feel like they got the raw end of the deal after the last lockout.

        But, that “raw end” saw the cap jump from 39 million to 70 million and the average salary go from something like 1.4 million to 2.4 million. And all of that happened during the biggest recession during the great depression.

        They can ignore the fact that the adjustment in HRR is primarily to pull the bottom 10 teams into the black and focus on the profitability of the wealthier teams all they want. BUT, they would never agree to contract 3 or 4 of those bottom teams (that by many accounts should be contracted) BECAUSE it would cost them jobs. And, that is a non starter with any union.

        As for revenue sharing….I’m willing to put money down on the fact it would create more dependency then help. Just ask the owners of the pittsburgh pirates that suck up the Yankees and others money and then do nothing.

  2. ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Crombeen’s perspective is mind boggling.

  3. keepphil - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Just another fight that Crombeen loses…nothing new here. These players were worried about the owners playing them without Don Fehr and instead it was Fehr who played them. He was chased from baseball by players that realized he didn’t care about them or the sport and only these Hockey fools would sign him up again. Fire him before you lose one and a half seasons.

  4. michael91148 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Welcome to the big leagues, son !!!!!
    You might want to get your lead negotiator to work on getting you back to work before at least another 241 players NEVER return to playing hockey in the NHL (that is the # that never played after the last lockout).
    An old saying comes to mind….
    “It is difficult, when you are up to your ass in alligators, that the intial objective was to drain the swamp”

  5. majbobby - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Cry me a river Millionaire that does nothing but play a sport.

  6. AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    another nothing article quoting another nobody player…**yawns**

    it’s over , cancel it already

  7. fortwaynekomets - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    the players get a worse deal next fall.

    I say its time to bring in replacements and get the game started again.

  8. sampulls - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    First: who is Crombeen?
    Second: is his head in the sand?
    Third: I hope the cancel so the players lose a lot of money.

  9. bruinpred - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Players got rid of Paul Kelly – nice job.

  10. gcbean - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    F it. Back to the football playoff race.

  11. hockeylovefan - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Does anyone remember the last lockout where we lost a season so the owners could get a salary cap and a revenue share that would allow the league to be profitable. Why does anyone thinks it’s fair for the players to give up 7% of $3billion multiplied by 10 years? The players aren’t gaining anything in these negotiations they are fighting to keep what the owners told them they had to accept during the last lockout.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:00 AM

      Do you remember that the player’s voted to max out the salary cap escalator every single year since the last lockout just so they could raise the average salary with complete disregard for whether their own employers could meet the salary floor requirement?

      Why is it unfair for the owners to rework the CBA so that the league they are invested in doesn’t leave the bottom 10 teams in that position?

      Contract teams you say?….Why don’t you pose that idea to the union and see whether they are ok with losing jobs.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM

        Ucanneverscoreenoughgoals Well said indeed.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM

        Thanks Valois, I’m just tired of the players constantly being portrayed as the victim. It’s like only blaming one person in a failed marriage.

  12. blomfeld - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    CROMBEEN = SHEEP

    With all due respect to the Blues and their fans, I can’t honestly say that I’ve ever even heard of this guy ? Of course he must have been on the squad which we Kings “liquidated” in round 2 of the playoffs last year, etc ? For the life of me however, the name “Crombeen” means absolutely nothing to me ?

    Regardless, it’s safe to say that we’ve just been introduced to yet another member of the frightened flock. Among other things, this confused sheep says … “we moved drastically in almost every area” ? Yeah, well someone needs to tell this fool that he and the entire NHLPA can move to the moon and it still won’t make a difference ! The 2012-13 season will commence according to Bettman’s scheduled plan, not a minute sooner and not a minute later ! That’s the way it is and that’s how it’s going to be !

    • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      you are such an idiot

      • blomfeld - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:38 AM

        yes, and you are probably gay …

      • AlabamaFanRollTide - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:00 AM

        Trying that Reverse Psychology again I see, fa*gboy , it’s so easy to make you lose your mind on here lol dance monkey dance

  13. xxakshunxx - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    So the owners give a take it or leave it deal and the players come back and still try to negotiate and then seem confused when they don’t get their way.. I don’t know who isn’t to blame at this point

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