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	<title>Comments on: Ryan Miller, Jeremy Jacobs got heated Wednesday night &#8212; yet CBA talks continued</title>
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		<title>By: lrg51</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 03:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jaredphi...Reference to first paragraph... Yes. Ask buffalo folks about him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaredphi&#8230;Reference to first paragraph&#8230; Yes. Ask buffalo folks about him.</p>
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		<title>By: lrg51</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 03:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonder when Ryan and Jeremy might run into each other when they&#039;re out on the town in Buffalo. Would be interesting to witness...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder when Ryan and Jeremy might run into each other when they&#8217;re out on the town in Buffalo. Would be interesting to witness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: valoisvipers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miller VS Jacobs  Wonder if this has or will have anything to do with Milan Lucic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller VS Jacobs  Wonder if this has or will have anything to do with Milan Lucic?</p>
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		<title>By: mrchainbluelightning</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell that to jkline3
And then proceed to take your meds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to jkline3<br />
And then proceed to take your meds</p>
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		<title>By: jaredphi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As this has dragged on, I&#039;ve found I am blaming Jeremy Jacobs more than Gary Bettman for the reason we do not have the NHL so far this season. The guy just appears to be a spoiled brat who doesn&#039;t care what his actions are doing to the sports&#039; fans, employees, etc. 

Jacobs should NOT have been allowed to be one of the 6 owners involved in these meetings. Any of the other NHL owners would&#039;ve been preferable.

Next time, sub Ed Snider or anyone else in for Jacobs. At least Ed wants us to have hockey and has wanted to avoid this stalemate from day one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this has dragged on, I&#8217;ve found I am blaming Jeremy Jacobs more than Gary Bettman for the reason we do not have the NHL so far this season. The guy just appears to be a spoiled brat who doesn&#8217;t care what his actions are doing to the sports&#8217; fans, employees, etc. </p>
<p>Jacobs should NOT have been allowed to be one of the 6 owners involved in these meetings. Any of the other NHL owners would&#8217;ve been preferable.</p>
<p>Next time, sub Ed Snider or anyone else in for Jacobs. At least Ed wants us to have hockey and has wanted to avoid this stalemate from day one.</p>
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		<title>By: tatdue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatdue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL....Ya, you and about 84 other people on this site.......You&#039;re not one of the voices in joey&#039;s head are you?....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;.Ya, you and about 84 other people on this site&#8230;&#8230;.You&#8217;re not one of the voices in joey&#8217;s head are you?&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tatdue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatdue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ cweez2 - Also most of the union reps aren&#039;t the super stars of the league and they are the guys that will ultimately decide when to take an offer to vote....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ cweez2 &#8211; Also most of the union reps aren&#8217;t the super stars of the league and they are the guys that will ultimately decide when to take an offer to vote&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bloominoctober</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bloominoctober]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what source do you have to support this otherwise made-up rhetoric?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what source do you have to support this otherwise made-up rhetoric?</p>
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		<title>By: mrchainbluelightning</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrchainbluelightning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not going to say I told anyone so about sending Jacobs


Just that I informed you thusly. 


Nearly single-handedly ended talks yesterday, thinks he speaks for everyone there.
&quot;Let&#039;s leave&quot; and Daly confirming this idea by saying &quot;it&#039;s up to you&quot;. Daly doesn&#039;t make any attempt to calm Jacobs down. Simply ready to pack up and leave the second Jacobs is ready to poison the talks.

Which was his plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not going to say I told anyone so about sending Jacobs</p>
<p>Just that I informed you thusly. </p>
<p>Nearly single-handedly ended talks yesterday, thinks he speaks for everyone there.<br />
&#8220;Let&#8217;s leave&#8221; and Daly confirming this idea by saying &#8220;it&#8217;s up to you&#8221;. Daly doesn&#8217;t make any attempt to calm Jacobs down. Simply ready to pack up and leave the second Jacobs is ready to poison the talks.</p>
<p>Which was his plan.</p>
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		<title>By: cweez2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lostpuppysyndrome you are probably right - given what is reported to be a very open dialogue between Fehr and the members. There is a point where you have to cut the noise of the masses and let the leaders to the work. But, the longer this goes on, the better Fehr&#039;s going to have to sell his stance. And I know the NHL is hoping for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lostpuppysyndrome you are probably right &#8211; given what is reported to be a very open dialogue between Fehr and the members. There is a point where you have to cut the noise of the masses and let the leaders to the work. But, the longer this goes on, the better Fehr&#8217;s going to have to sell his stance. And I know the NHL is hoping for that.</p>
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		<title>By: blomfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blomfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GAME ON !!!

The latest now is that the NHL will break from tradition by starting on Christmas Day and that tickets for these games are to be &quot;heavily&quot; discounted by as much as 75% ! ... look for &quot;the announcement&quot; to be made sometime during the next 24-36 hours ...  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAME ON !!!</p>
<p>The latest now is that the NHL will break from tradition by starting on Christmas Day and that tickets for these games are to be &#8220;heavily&#8221; discounted by as much as 75% ! &#8230; look for &#8220;the announcement&#8221; to be made sometime during the next 24-36 hours &#8230;  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lostpuppysyndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostpuppysyndrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@cweez2, that&#039;s a good question but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as big of an issue.  I say that mostly because the players haven&#039;t been muzzled and a lot of them have been fairly vocal.  I haven&#039;t seen anyone stand up for Hamrlik&#039;s stance yet.  Maybe that&#039;s out of fear or whatever, but most NHL players have never struck me as the kind of guys who sugarcoat things or hold back their convictions because of what others might think (unless you&#039;re Swedish.  Those guys are too dang nice sometimes).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cweez2, that&#8217;s a good question but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as big of an issue.  I say that mostly because the players haven&#8217;t been muzzled and a lot of them have been fairly vocal.  I haven&#8217;t seen anyone stand up for Hamrlik&#8217;s stance yet.  Maybe that&#8217;s out of fear or whatever, but most NHL players have never struck me as the kind of guys who sugarcoat things or hold back their convictions because of what others might think (unless you&#8217;re Swedish.  Those guys are too dang nice sometimes).</p>
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		<title>By: lostpuppysyndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostpuppysyndrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was hard but I held back ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was hard but I held back <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ratflop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ratflop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well done, lostpuppysyndrome. You managed to draw a comparison between Tyrion Lannister and Gary Bettman without having to resort to the obvious similar physical characteristics of the two.

Brilliant!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, lostpuppysyndrome. You managed to draw a comparison between Tyrion Lannister and Gary Bettman without having to resort to the obvious similar physical characteristics of the two.</p>
<p>Brilliant!</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabatimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacobs.  Not surprised in the slightest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacobs.  Not surprised in the slightest.</p>
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		<title>By: cweez2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cweez2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fairness, I&#039;ll ask this: how much of the NHLPA&#039;s actions are being dictated by a small number of players with much bigger stakes? Say what you will, but Roman Hamrlik had a point - what if you put this to a vote of the players?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, I&#8217;ll ask this: how much of the NHLPA&#8217;s actions are being dictated by a small number of players with much bigger stakes? Say what you will, but Roman Hamrlik had a point &#8211; what if you put this to a vote of the players?</p>
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		<title>By: lostpuppysyndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostpuppysyndrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should add he reminds me of Tyrion Lannister.  Incredibly smart and conniving, knowing who to play, and never letting on to his actual plans until they come to fruition, yet still capable of doing good and having a heart.  Managing all those league personalities and egos must be like herding cats, so at the same time I do cut the guy a little slack for being in that position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add he reminds me of Tyrion Lannister.  Incredibly smart and conniving, knowing who to play, and never letting on to his actual plans until they come to fruition, yet still capable of doing good and having a heart.  Managing all those league personalities and egos must be like herding cats, so at the same time I do cut the guy a little slack for being in that position.</p>
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		<title>By: lostpuppysyndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostpuppysyndrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly.  At first I didn&#039;t put much of the onus on him, figuring he&#039;s just the mouthpiece for the owners.  Once I learned that little bit of information about how few owners he needs to support him to stay in power, my opinion of the guy turned a bit darker.  I don&#039;t know all the details but as long as he pleases just a handful of owners on any given issue, he&#039;s secure.  I can&#039;t even imagine how bad he&#039;d have to bungle things up before he gets the boot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  At first I didn&#8217;t put much of the onus on him, figuring he&#8217;s just the mouthpiece for the owners.  Once I learned that little bit of information about how few owners he needs to support him to stay in power, my opinion of the guy turned a bit darker.  I don&#8217;t know all the details but as long as he pleases just a handful of owners on any given issue, he&#8217;s secure.  I can&#8217;t even imagine how bad he&#8217;d have to bungle things up before he gets the boot.</p>
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		<title>By: cweez2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cweez2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And that&#039;s the sick thing. Bettman&#039;s coup to require a supermajority to overrule him didn&#039;t guarantee his power. It guaranteed a permanent ride on the gravy train and Bettman only had to please a FEW people, making his job easier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s the sick thing. Bettman&#8217;s coup to require a supermajority to overrule him didn&#8217;t guarantee his power. It guaranteed a permanent ride on the gravy train and Bettman only had to please a FEW people, making his job easier.</p>
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		<title>By: lostpuppysyndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostpuppysyndrome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, I hope there&#039;s more to that exchange than just that because it would really confirm a lot of suspicions right there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I hope there&#8217;s more to that exchange than just that because it would really confirm a lot of suspicions right there.</p>
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		<title>By: ratflop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ratflop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Let’s leave,” said Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, turning to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly.

“It’s up to you,” replied Daly.

Says all right there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Let’s leave,” said Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, turning to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly.</p>
<p>“It’s up to you,” replied Daly.</p>
<p>Says all right there.</p>
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