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Ryan Miller, Jeremy Jacobs got heated Wednesday night — yet CBA talks continued

Dec 6, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT

Representatives from the NHL and NHLPA got hot under their collars during another round of marathon meetings — but not hot enough to halt momentum.

That was the word out of New York on Wednesday, as multiple sources reported the testiest exchanges came from Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs and Buffalo Sabres goalie Ryan Miller.

The skinny, courtesy Sportsnet’s Michael Grange:

Here’s more, from Damien Cox of the Toronto Star:

The conversation went something like this.

“Let’s leave,” said Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, turning to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly.

“It’s up to you,” replied Daly.

At that point during the talks between the NHL and NHL Players Association on Wednesday, a day that began as a continuation of the momentum generated on Tuesday, both sides were at the precipice, and the 2012-13 season was in jeopardy.

Earlier, Buffalo Sabres goalie Ryan Miller had angrily vented when the owners said they were disappointed with the players responses to an earlier offer and threatened to pull everything off the table.

Couple things here:

1) The “Miller vs. Boston, Pt. II” narrative is a fun one, though it remains unclear exactly how much of Miller’s venom was directed at Jacobs personally (and let’s be real, Miller ain’t carrying an on-ice beef into the meeting room).

But it does make for good copy and hey, Jacobs did give Milan Lucic a three-year, $18 million contract extension just prior to the start of the lockout.

2) This isn’t the first player-owner spat in CBA negotiations.

Back on Nov. 9, a similar incident occurred — more, from the New York Times:

Reports emerged Friday of a shouting match between players and owners at the end of that day’s meeting. But the delegate said the exchange was “extremely brief” and stood out only because of its rarity.

The exchange was between the free-agent defenseman Chris Campoli and Winnipeg defenseman Ron Hainsey on one side, and the owners Murray Edwards of Calgary and Craig Leipold of Minnesota on the other.

This incident was followed by the infamous “two week moratorium” idea in which NHL commissioner Gary Bettman *reportedly* suggested both sides spend some time apart before trying to resume negotiations.

So yeah, see how far things have come?

  1. ratflop - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    “Let’s leave,” said Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, turning to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly.

    “It’s up to you,” replied Daly.

    Says all right there.

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM

      Boy, I hope there’s more to that exchange than just that because it would really confirm a lot of suspicions right there.

    • cweez2 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      And that’s the sick thing. Bettman’s coup to require a supermajority to overrule him didn’t guarantee his power. It guaranteed a permanent ride on the gravy train and Bettman only had to please a FEW people, making his job easier.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:44 AM

        Exactly. At first I didn’t put much of the onus on him, figuring he’s just the mouthpiece for the owners. Once I learned that little bit of information about how few owners he needs to support him to stay in power, my opinion of the guy turned a bit darker. I don’t know all the details but as long as he pleases just a handful of owners on any given issue, he’s secure. I can’t even imagine how bad he’d have to bungle things up before he gets the boot.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:50 AM

        I should add he reminds me of Tyrion Lannister. Incredibly smart and conniving, knowing who to play, and never letting on to his actual plans until they come to fruition, yet still capable of doing good and having a heart. Managing all those league personalities and egos must be like herding cats, so at the same time I do cut the guy a little slack for being in that position.

      • cweez2 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM

        In fairness, I’ll ask this: how much of the NHLPA’s actions are being dictated by a small number of players with much bigger stakes? Say what you will, but Roman Hamrlik had a point – what if you put this to a vote of the players?

      • ratflop - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:06 PM

        Well done, lostpuppysyndrome. You managed to draw a comparison between Tyrion Lannister and Gary Bettman without having to resort to the obvious similar physical characteristics of the two.


      • lostpuppysyndrome - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        It was hard but I held back 😉

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:18 PM

        @cweez2, that’s a good question but I don’t think it’s as big of an issue. I say that mostly because the players haven’t been muzzled and a lot of them have been fairly vocal. I haven’t seen anyone stand up for Hamrlik’s stance yet. Maybe that’s out of fear or whatever, but most NHL players have never struck me as the kind of guys who sugarcoat things or hold back their convictions because of what others might think (unless you’re Swedish. Those guys are too dang nice sometimes).

      • cweez2 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM

        @lostpuppysyndrome you are probably right – given what is reported to be a very open dialogue between Fehr and the members. There is a point where you have to cut the noise of the masses and let the leaders to the work. But, the longer this goes on, the better Fehr’s going to have to sell his stance. And I know the NHL is hoping for that.

      • tatdue - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        @ cweez2 – Also most of the union reps aren’t the super stars of the league and they are the guys that will ultimately decide when to take an offer to vote….

  2. sabatimus - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    Jacobs. Not surprised in the slightest.

  3. blomfeld - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    GAME ON !!!

    The latest now is that the NHL will break from tradition by starting on Christmas Day and that tickets for these games are to be “heavily” discounted by as much as 75% ! … look for “the announcement” to be made sometime during the next 24-36 hours … :)

    • bloominoctober - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      And what source do you have to support this otherwise made-up rhetoric?

  4. mrchainbluelightning - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Not going to say I told anyone so about sending Jacobs

    Just that I informed you thusly.

    Nearly single-handedly ended talks yesterday, thinks he speaks for everyone there.
    “Let’s leave” and Daly confirming this idea by saying “it’s up to you”. Daly doesn’t make any attempt to calm Jacobs down. Simply ready to pack up and leave the second Jacobs is ready to poison the talks.

    Which was his plan.

    • tatdue - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:55 PM

      LOL….Ya, you and about 84 other people on this site…….You’re not one of the voices in joey’s head are you?….

      • mrchainbluelightning - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM

        Tell that to jkline3
        And then proceed to take your meds

  5. jaredphi - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    As this has dragged on, I’ve found I am blaming Jeremy Jacobs more than Gary Bettman for the reason we do not have the NHL so far this season. The guy just appears to be a spoiled brat who doesn’t care what his actions are doing to the sports’ fans, employees, etc.

    Jacobs should NOT have been allowed to be one of the 6 owners involved in these meetings. Any of the other NHL owners would’ve been preferable.

    Next time, sub Ed Snider or anyone else in for Jacobs. At least Ed wants us to have hockey and has wanted to avoid this stalemate from day one.

    • lrg51 - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

      Jaredphi…Reference to first paragraph… Yes. Ask buffalo folks about him.

  6. valoisvipers - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Miller VS Jacobs Wonder if this has or will have anything to do with Milan Lucic?

  7. lrg51 - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Wonder when Ryan and Jeremy might run into each other when they’re out on the town in Buffalo. Would be interesting to witness…

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