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Depth player: We were ready to play when Fehr told us to hold out

Dec 6, 2012, 11:02 PM EDT

Donald Fehr AP

On Tuesday, when the players and owners met without NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr, there seemed to be a sense of optimism about the talks, at least based on Bettman’s and the owner’s recent statements.

Then the mood quickly changed and now one player seems to be blaming Fehr.

“We were ready to play again,” the player said, according to Denver Post and writer Adrian Dater. “But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out.”

Dater asserted that the source was a depth player. He further claimed that there are more like him, but the top players are still siding with Fehr.

“Bottom line here: Players say they are unified, but not what I’m hearing from this depth player,” Dater said. “They’ll deny that publicly, but privately, they are feeling powerless as the Ryan Millers and Brad Richards of the world pretend this is a sacrifice for them.”

Logan Couture was quick to voice his “100% agreement” with Fehr following tonight’s events.

This anonymous player’s remarks are rare, but not groundbreaking.

Michal Neuvirth previously argued that “this lockout is not about majority of players, I think. It is about several superstars with big contracts.”

His statements led to a backlash from his fellow players and Neuvirth later apologized.


Owners react to roller coaster week of CBA talks

Bettman: “We’re at a loss to explain what happened” (updated with video)

Not good enough: NHL rejects latest NHLPA offer

CBA meeting ends quickly, NHL to meet internally

  1. stangz11 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    So we could be playing hockey right now if it weren’t for Fehr? At least now we know the problem! Holy crap…hopefully the players break ranks and start standing up to this guy

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      Yes that would be great to see the players stand up and do the right thing. How about the highest paid player from every team chip in together and buy the Coyotes. Then they could be players/owners and see first hand who is getting the better of the CBA deals.

    • dcfan4life - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

      Fehr wants as much money for the players as possible, not realizing some key points that should tell him the owners wont budge on certain things. First off, not every NHL team makes money. Thats a big deal when negotiating. Second the owners have already cancelled a season refusing to budge on things. It killed their ESPN contracts, and took 5 years to rebuild with many rule changes, the VS network being built from the ground up, and superstar players marketed well. Since not every team is making money as previously mentioned, if concessions arent made by the players, they will do it again. Third, this isnt a strike like the 94 baseball strike. This is a lockout, done by the owners. They know what they want and dont want, where they will budge and wont budge. Im not so sure Fehr knows since he isnt communicating well with all the players causing obvious dissention. Going into negotiations forgetting these things and holding firm on other things may ensure no season. Again.

  2. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    A depth player? To quote the great Herman Edwards, “Be a man, put your name on it.”

    • stakex - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM

      Its not that easy for these guys. Odds are half this guys teammates have a completely different position then him, and you have to play with them once the lockout ends. Remember that mess that happened with the Caps… how do you think their locker room is going to be when the season starts? Probably not very friendly.

      So its not unreasonable for players to speak off the record. Not to mention they well might be speaking up behind the scenes, and those efforts would be hurt by making public comments.

    • zetaone - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:25 AM

      What’s the difference who it is? A member of the NHLPA is a member of the NHLPA. Is his opinion any less valid if he remains anonymous?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM

        I didn’t say his opinion is now less valid. I think if this player truly believes in what he’s saying and thinks that it’s important enough to go to the media with then he should stand by his statement. Just a matter of principle.

    • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:28 AM


    • dcfan4life - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      The players are not all together on this. The dissention is bad and it shows. The last guy to put a name on it (Michael Neuvirth) was crucified and had to apologize…

  3. antkowiak666 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Fehr should be castrated for these atrocities!!!!!!!

  4. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    I would pay hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket for the opportunity to punch Donald Fehr in the face. All I need is one good swing to get my point across.

  5. greatminnesotasportsmind - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    It’s been Fehr all along with the big time stars. If it weren’t for Fehr, we’d be watching and attending games. As far as Fehr says he was optimistic, he could have thrown out where the players get 85% of the revenue and still be optimistic the owners would accept that. I’m sure he threw garbage in, the owners walked. Until all the big name players (I.e. Ryan Miller and other superstars of the league) stand up to Fehr, this is not going anywhere. Why wouldn’t he care, he’s still getting paid. It’s really too bad, it’s looking like the season will be lost and the depth player, such as the one on this post, and older players (I.e. Bertuzzi and Brodeur) may have played their last game as an NHLer. For the superstars (or were) they won’t get the farewell tour, that they should have. Guys like Andrew Brunette, who’s one of the nicest classist guy in the league won’t have a farewell game at Xcel Energy Center where the fans that grew a bond to him, won’t say good bye. Don’t think that saying farewell to an opposing player wouldn’t have happened. They honored Mike Modano his last game as a Dallas Star when everyone assumed he was retiring.

    • chronwall - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM

      Thank you depth player.
      You might have just saved the season.
      We should’ve known all along that the star players are the ones holding this back. Do you really think these depth players want to skip pay checks over a 5 year contract max they will never be offered?

      Get real people its a handful of players and a handful of owners screwing this up for everyone and in the pockets of those people our fehr and bettman who are probably drinking some human blood right now laughing at all of us while they count all that money.

    • badintent - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:29 AM


      • badintent - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:28 AM


    • irkabirka123 - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:10 PM

      Have you ever noticed that all the information presented here is one-sided pro-NHL and none coming from NHLPA? For what it’s worth, the reporter could’ve just made up that statement. Before crying and blaming Fehr alone for this, try to research the subject. All along, it’s been Bettman and Fehr, but NBC Sports never bothered to post Biron’s statement about negotiations (he’s a member of the negotiating group). That would give you a much different perspective. Jumping to conclusions is easy, but not smart at all.

  6. shotzongoal - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    Sorry to re-post this but it’s very relevant to this news item!

    Don Fehr played on the overoptimism of his player and the NHL owners after Tuesday nights meetings and saw a chance to maybe squeeze a little more out of the owners. I mean the media was talking about scheduling games during Christmas eve and Christmas day. The league had to stop calls by owners telling players to get ready to open training camp. I don’t know for sure if that was his ploy but if it was, it failed. Maybe Fehr wants desertification. If he thinks that’s the answer then he will have some job security. I think he is in for a long court battle. The NFL and the NBA started that process way earlier before many games were lost. The NHL has lost or will loss about 40% of the seasons revenues, more if the season is canceled. I think they would have a reasonable case in the courts but no matter, it could be tied up in litigation for years.

    • jernster21 - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:45 AM

      How is decertification job security for a union? You realize decertifying means disbanding the union, thus, no job at all. If anything, the players may go that route to bypass the authority/influence of Fehr just to get a deal done. I think they’re playing with fire going that route with the owners, however.

      • shotzongoal - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM

        @jemster21 Decertification means dissolving the Players Association. The members are no longer in a collective bargaining arrangement and can now pursue individual or class-action antitrust litigation against the owners. If this happens Don Fehr, who is a lawyer hired by the now defunct PA, would immediately file for an injunction to lift the owners lockout. He would spearhead class-action litigation that would be tied up for years in the courts. Mr. Fehr could be involved in proceeding for a long time. Most times like in the recent NFL and NBA’s situation the threat of decertification is used as a bargaining tool by the union.

        The player do not need to decertify to fire Fehr. A simple majority vote from the PA is all that is necessary.

  7. hockeyfan28 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    This is getting to the point of unbelievability the players hit a rubber object with a wooden stick and alot of them get paid more money then heart surgeons even at the league minimum….I guess Fehr is holding out so some of these guys can get management positions at Arby’s once the season is cancelled to make up for the lost wages….it won’t be long to till you hear the term replacement players especially if this season ends badly and drags into next year.

    • hockeylovefan - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:17 AM

      20,000 people don’t show up to watch a doctor perform surgery.

      • hockeyfan28 - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:33 AM

        Yeh but a lot of those dr.s buy those luxury box seats so those players get their cushy salaries

    • badintent - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:33 AM

      Funny ! but true ! I think you will get a letter from Arby’s lawyer soon though.maybe Billy Hunter can donate one of the many family members that he hired for the NBAPA to help you.I’ve sat next to many of those doctors you talked about, they’re raving lunatics at the games. Scream therapy for them , releases stress.

  8. mpg44 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    Then if this is true …. It’s time for you and others like you the man up and cross that line !!!! Quit being afraid of the fehr and speak your mind!! Some of us felt this way from the begining !!

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:40 AM

      The players aren’t afraid of Fehr, they’re afraid of their fellow players who will go head hunting to settle a score once the season begins.

      There are 700 players. If even 50 of those guys feel like taking a cheap shot once the games begin, who is going to stop them?

      • zetaone - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:35 AM

        Wouldn’t it make more sense that the players that would be prone to “go head hunting” are the ones that would also side with this anonymous player? I would think the superstars are the ones holding firm with Fehr, and the “little guys” are afraid to speak their mind.

      • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:16 AM

        I think it ultimately depends on the guy. I could see someone like Brad Richards taking a run at a roleplayer because Richards thinks he’s an elite player and can make a statement without backlash.

  9. mpg44 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    Maybe it’s time for a silent vote from the union members … Majority wins . Vote to keep fehr and stay at home ( but at least you will have your principals) , or ditch him and agree to a CBA !

    • ron05342 - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:03 AM

      Yes of course it is.

  10. gmenfan1982 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    It’s fehr’s job to get the most he can for the players. Think of it this way: wouldn’t you want your union leader to get the most for you in your line or work? Forget the amount of money that the players or owners make. Just think of it as players (employees) vs owners (employers). Wouldn’t you as an employee want as much as you feel you deserve from your company? There are ways to help team in need get more revenue that they desperately need but the owners who are more affluent wont ever agree to them (increased revenue sharing from wealthy teams to less wealthy, a plan more like the nfl 60% ticket prices to home team 40% to the league to redistribute to teams in need). Instead the owners are trying to get the players to give concessions to fix the owners problems. Everyone says the players make too much money but in comparison to the increased revenue the NHL brings in yearly since the last lockout, the players make less in comparison.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:44 AM

      Stop comparing Fehr to the every day union leader……he’s not!

    • nderdog - Dec 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      Yes, because not getting paid for a year is obviously great for the players…

      There’s a world of difference between getting the most for your union members and refusing to negotiate in a vain attempt at some perceived victory. If Fehr’s paychecks depended on results, he wouldn’t be so cavalier about playing with the livlihoods of so many.

  11. bensawesomeness - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:40 PM

    This is so upsetting

  12. hanisflyingsolo - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    Surprise!!!! Ha guarantee if u put last deal from owners to player wide vote passes well above 50% oh well hold out so the stars get more while two thirds of every team actually suffers in silence…,,

  13. pariseinminnesotabichez - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    Screw off Fehr

  14. shoobiedoobin - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    This was pretty obvious if you’ve listened to every comment and read every article the last couple days. You can just sense the players wanting to play and Fehr convincing them to hold out for more. If we see more and more players bail on Fehr, that’ll be it.

  15. ron05342 - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    I said it before and I will say it with more emphasis again today.

    D. Fehr, go f*k yourself. Mother f.

  16. ravenscaps48 - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    I said it after the season ended…. Donald Fehr is a cancer, and that this negotiation period would be legnthy… Everybody gave me a thumbs down and told me that I was a jackass…. Look at this toolbag now!

  17. stakex - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Its funny how the news comes out and everything you think can change. I entered the day thinking an end to the lockout was in sight, and that we could see hockey very soon. Then the deal fell through and it seemed like the owners walked away from a great offer.

    Now we know thats not at all what happened. Now its clear that the players on Tuesday made it seem like they were on the same page as the owners, accepted the owners sticking points (contract length, CBA length) and the owners threw in another $100m in make-whole money, and dropped their issues with a lot of contract rights. Suddenly on Wednesday the players mood changed, and the players demanded more… when the owners were already giving more then they planned to. Then today happened, where the players made an offer they knew damn well had no chance… after which Fehr went in front of the media and lied about how good the offer was and how likely it was to end the lockout. He knew the owners would take one look at it and rip it up, yet he still had the balls to lie to everyone about it.

    Now its clear how things went from so good on Tuesday, to end of the season bad today…. Fehr got back into the mix and convinced the players that they, not the owners, had all the power and could get more. Wrong. Dead wrong, and now the players are unlikely to ever see an offer as good as the one they could have been signing right this minute. I hope it was worth it players, and I really hope more of you wake the **** up and stop listening to that idiot who clearly does not have your best interest in mind.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:13 AM

      Another great post by our friend Stakex.

  18. fortwaynekomets - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    An Anonymous player just told me that Donald Fehr is a lesbian.

    Do you see how silly that is? There is ZERO credibility to a story when you put ANONYMOUS!

    I’m not saying it’s untrue, but it definitely holds zero credibility. Did I already say that?

    Why a site like PHT would publish a story like this is just bush league. Publish my story, I promise a talented NHLer told me Fehr was secretly a lesbian.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:47 AM

      I believe it……….He looks like I imagine a lesbian would look. I’ve never seen one though……I heard they are extinct now. Just urban legend.

    • sfbookreviews - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:29 AM

      Sure it sounds silly from some anonymous person on the internet. From a well-respected sportswriter, it isn’t silly at all. He knows the person he talked to is an NHL player and we know who Drater is.

      Credibility in these situations depends on the reporter, not on the player. Unless you can prove Dater is a liar, it’s not silly. You have no credibility so nobody buys your bs. Drater has credibility and so his reporting appears here.

      How do you not see the difference?

  19. fortwaynekomets - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    I am losing my mind during this lockout. I am a diehard Fort Wayne Komets fan, but not many minor league franchises can hold up to them historically. They are in the ECHL this year and it should be fun, but I still want my NHL because 1. Players need to move up in the ranks and 2. because the lockout is costing some of my Komets their jobs.

    The AHL is always sending down a few players when the NHL sends down a few players, it’s taking someones job every time it happens. I’d like to see the NHL get going again, and at this point I am all for replacements. The stars will come back when they realize the game will live on. Plus it wouldn’t take long for the young talents we have in North America today to reach that level anyways. Just whatever happens get a deal done for the sake of our kids and future generations and the sake of the sport of Hockey!!!

  20. blomfeld - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM


    As much as I agree with you guys, I highly doubt if Fehr is really the roadblock that he’s portended to be ? Just ask yourselves seriously … if he truly was this big, bad “stick in the mud” who’s standing in the way of profit as he’s been made out to be, then don’t you think that the “money” would have already compromised the fool ? … of course they would have ! The bottom line is that Fehr is nothing more than a highly paid “patsy” reading from a prepared script … and he’s doing a helluva convincing job I might add ! Friends, we will have a season this year no doubt, however that will be contingent upon Bettman’s timing … not the timing of some weak and irrelevant Rattus Advocatus like Fehr !

    • sportsfan69 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:38 AM


    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:27 AM

      Blomfeld thank you for another lesson in history.Love the videos, keep em coming buddy.

    • badintent - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:48 AM

      Nice ! saw 2 history channel docs on this, the guns jammed at the high air temps (in the 100’s) and also the Zulus were given plants that mimic reefer, cocaine and heroin by the witch doctor just before the fight, that way they believed they could not feel any bullets hit them.The British Navy filled their cannons with chains, nails ,etc for close fighting and boarding. But the ground troops here did not, it cost them with the slaughter of the Redcoats.

  21. gbsoccer6 - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    The NHL is in a very dangerous spot. If the season is gone casual fans will be gone and this will be a huge blow. Hockey is already falling behind the other major sports and the MLS is gaining speed as well. Just look on any major sports site and the NHL lockout is but a blimp.

  22. Joey Dumbfeld - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    nah nah nah nah
    nah nah nah nah
    hey hey hey

  23. flyerrod - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:04 AM

    You know what is kind of funny? If the Owners were to make a new proposal and submit it to the NHLPA, it would be voted on by the Membership, not Don Fehr. Don Fehr can make recommendations but HE HAS NO VOTE and lo and behold, NO REAL PROPOSAL WAS OFFERED BY THE OWNERS. Gary Bettman is trying everything in his power to destroy the NHL, and it is working. The Owners say they came so far towards the NHLPA, all of around 90 million dollars after the players moved over One BILLION dollars towards the owners and the players are just not reciprocating… does Gary Bettman say it with a straight face? This is a LOCKOUT. Instituted BY GARY BETTMAN FOR THE OWNERS. For those of you that want to blame the players, try doing a little research first.

    • zetaone - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:35 AM

      That argument worked for the past 3 months. After today, it isn’t cutting the mustard anymore, sorry.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:18 AM

        Zetaone Sometimes you actually do make sense and this is one of those times. Good post.

      • flyerrod - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

        What part of the OWNERS MADE NO OFFER do you not grasp. ” Meet me at Times Square so I can give you a million dollars”……Just because I said it, does that make it true? I am being every bit as honest as the Owners are with their offer. Putting your fingers in your ears and running out of the room because you do not like what someone said is not negotiating…..unless your name happens to be Gary Bettman…..

    • mpg44 - Dec 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM

      Fehr has a tremendous amount of influence over how the players will vote . He knows this , and is exploiting it . That’s the real holdup here.

    • nderdog - Dec 7, 2012 at 6:33 PM

      In my union, the bargaining team decides when they’ll refer an offer to the general membership for a vote. We don’t see every proposal made by management, only the ones that feel are worth being voted on. From what I can tell, it seems that the NHLPA operates the same way. If a moron like Fehr convinces that team to squash an offer, it’s gone, the membership as a whole never gets a chance to vote.

  24. sheckyrimshot - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    suck my farts

    • ravenscaps48 - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM

      That just sounds unappealing

      • badintent - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:49 AM

        sounds like Fehr and Bettman

  25. slclions - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:13 AM

    D.F. (i dont even want to say his name) killed my Expos…at least he can’t kill my Nordiques

  26. dannythebisforbeast - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:08 AM

    I’ll take Fehr repping my union ANYTIME. if someone wants to give in, it’s personal and self serving. Fehr is setting the table for the next 10 years definitely and probably affects the next CBA. Remember it is a lockout not a strike and the owners reaped this upon themselves when they kicked the players in the nuts with their initial offer. if the first offer was reasonable this process would most likely be much farther along. The crazy part is half the issues are to protect the owners from themselves.
    Who cares that the players make an astronomical living. It is what it is at this point. If they took the initial offer and took a drastic paycut would ticket prices go down? Hell no, it would go in the owners pockets. You tell me Ed Snider will lower $100 seats to $80 and lower parking concessions etc for the next few years then maybe I’ll root for the owners until then. Screw them. They use every inch of leverage they have against the players, which is mainly that they dont have a small window to make money. IMO owners wanted a 50-60 game season this year and are dismayed that the players aren’t bent over for them when they were ready to deal. Hockey is an awesome sport but the NHL is terribly run across the board. Bettman, Daly, Christ even Shanahan turned the playoffs into a farce.

    • mpg44 - Dec 7, 2012 at 6:53 AM

      He is not setting the table ….he is destroying the table. If this goes on much longer , there will be no table.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

        If there is no table where would they slice up that huge HRR pie?

      • mpg44 - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM

        That pie is getting awfully small these days!

  27. gallyhatch - Dec 7, 2012 at 5:52 AM

    Now someone on this board wants to “punch Don Fehr in the face”.


    This lockout belongs to the owners and players who vote on the proposals. Whether or not it’s a minority who are pushing the buttons is a different story, but Fehr & Bettman are only doing what their respective employers are paying them to do.

    I’m continually amazed at how stupid people are.

    • bcjim - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:13 AM

      Im not sure in the case of Fehr. Or Bettman for that matter.

      Do a MAJORITY of owners want this? If so fine. If they unwisely transferred excessive power to Bettman (20+ needed to overrule him or something) then he may NOT be doing what his bosses want any longer.

      Fehr…geez I cant believe this guy. I hope he actually has a plan other than pizzing off all of the ownership side and a significant fraction of his side, and all of the public.

      1/3 of the season is GONE. Does anyone really believe the owners would do this if things were all rainbows and sunshine at the accountants office?


    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

      I am not a violent person at all but I would pay big bucks to let him have one “right in the kisser”.

  28. id4joey - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:58 AM

    I have been predicting now for weeks that Dec 7th would be the next day the NHL would cancel games. After speaking with someone very close to the commissioner I can tell you that Bettman will definitely make the announcement today. The only thing that can prevent this from happening would be abrupt about face by the PA. Fehr announced last night that they were close to a deal, but he was dead wrong. Please piss on him for being unable to accurately predict what was going to happen, and he’s in NY.

    Joey Dumbfeld this is for you. xxxxxxx <3 I miss you.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:25 AM

      Joey I hope that Bettman goes for the throat today and cancels a whole months worth of games and that would put us to the brink of a lost season because after that the only thing left would be to cancel the whole season. I think that would light a fire under the liar Fehr and the brainwashed players butts. Desperate measures in desperate times.

      • id4joey - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:02 AM

        valoisvipers that would certainly send another clear message to the union. How many more of these do they need before they realize they are putting the whole season in jeopardy? The ownership have been very methodical in the process of canceling games. I think what happened last night is merely a mis-step on the part of the PA. At this point I’m thinking that the players are closer to a accept a deal then they have been previously. So, the NHL should act with caution and give itself an out to possibly start the season this month. So, to keep that option open they would have to cancel games from dec 16 to 22. Tic toc tic toc. That the sound of the player’s time to make a deal running out.

      • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:18 AM

        I think you are right that calmer heads should prevail and my idea of a whole month’s worth a canceled games would be an over reaction. I guess I am getting frustrated and want this to end sooner rather than later. So like you say tic toc tic toc time waits for no one.

  29. cruuuzcontrol - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

    I know it’s fun to pretend like Fehr is the boogeyman, but he’s really not. The league is following the same script as it did during the last lockout, only this time they have absolutely no reason to do that. Fehr wasn’t the problem then and he isn’t now.

    • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM

      Fehr is a douche bag liar and is the prime reason we are where we are today. If you listened to him live from NY yesterday you could tell every word that came out of his mouth was nothing more than complete BS from start to end. I say let the players take a vote and then we play some hockey.

      • woodstakes - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

        Yup and I believe everything Bettman has said… Like “A salary cap will insure all teams being profitable..” “Salary cap will allow all teams to lower ticket prices and still remain profitable!” etc etc etc… he’s just as big a liar as Fehr.. your just not used to Fehr’s BS yet… we have all heard Bettmans!

      • valoisvipers - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM

        woodstakes Yes the last CBA was supposed to the Mother of All CBA’s and no it wasn’t, so here we are today trying to fix it. The players attitude of if we give we must get is surely not going to fix it. Let them fix what is not working so that the league and all of it’s teams(yes teams are made up of players) are profitable and each and every franchise has an equal chance at winning the Cup. This way the owners win, the players win and yes folks even us fans win.

      • mpg44 - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:02 PM

        Let’s not forget that the last CBA was made under much better economic times . They reason they didn’t want to put such a long length on the CBA term is due partly to the instability of the economic structures . Is short , it’s time for the pa to smarten up and change with the times . The should actually able to read plenty about the current economic state due to the enormous amount of free time they have.

        In not going to sit here and say that the owners are not responsible for this either. This is most certainly a shared mess we are all in. But after the announcements that were made, given the timing in which Mr. Fehr joined in the proceedings , things that the players had already agreed to were suddenly changed . No one can negotiate in this manner.

        I have said this before and I will most certainly say this again. Please , the NHL is not the only hockey venue out there. There are actually two really good games happening as I write this. The only true way for us fans to unite and have out voices heard is to walk away. Stop spending money on the now and in the future . Stop waiting on pins and needles for the next bit of news . Please , use this time more wisely . Go and support your local teams , any level. They also need to know that they are still cared about and appreciated for their efforts . They too are caught up in this mess that with each passing day is staring to show that there only a few truly responsible for dragging out this mess we all are stuck with.

    • nderdog - Dec 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM

      While Fehr isn’t the only problem, he’s 50% of it, the other half being Bettman. Remove these two, and I bet a deal is done within a week. Just look at how close things got while these two were on a break.

  30. sippindasyzurp - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Haha this comical to read these message boards! Really some great keyboard wars going on here.. I can see how passionate everyone is about this whether your pro owner or pro player..

    This actually proves how much people really do have a passion for the NHL that everyone is soo worked up about this…

    Well I think there is not a doubt that there won’t be NHL for a while and I hope over time the league contracts at least 6 teams that are bleeding all this money because I really feel the reason were in this position is because there is too many teams in bunk ass markets.. IS it Bettman’s fault for that? Absolutely… Sometimes you just need to face the facts that you made a crappy business decision and cut your losses.

  31. sportsfan69 - Dec 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    Yeah, I would like to see the NHLPA buy the Coyotes. That would change their attitudes very quickly. The poor old me attitude. Cry me a river. Would finally go away.

    As stated before, the lack of a higher education on the part of the players has created this CBA situation.

    The NFL and NBA players, most of them all have a higher (college) education.

    I say the owners cancel the season.

    • woodstakes - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

      LMAO!! NBA players have “higher education” theres about 10 players in ALL of the NBA that went to college past their sophmore year! Your f’in kidding me right!!!

  32. samurai3939 - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Did someone really just post that Nfl and nba players have college educations?

  33. rpiotr01 - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    I’ve been very anti-owner on this one, but if agreeing to 5 year max contracts (or 5 years with 1 exemption up to 8 years for a franchise type player per team) got a deal done while giving the players other terms they were happy with or could live with, they should have taken the deal. I can’t imagine what would make Fehr push back so hard besides blind arrogance and stupidity.

    On the other hand, I also don’t know what would make owners blow up in anger if the NHLPA wanted to continue to negotiate one or two points. It’s as if they were determined to make the PA grovel on at least a few things just to stroke their egos, and if they couldn’t do that then they’d allow no deal at all.

    Really disappointing and bad business all around.

  34. bcjim - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Interesting tweet

    @camcharron Fehr says CBA longer than 5 yrs has too much uncertainty/risk but advocates 8+ year deals for players. Hypocrisy?

    Yes, I would say hypocrisy.

  35. saintez - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    As a long time Predator season ticket holder, this all disgusts me. We have worked so hard to keep hockey here and make it relevant. It disappoints me that we are in another lockout and it Fehr has it his way, a CBA could be up in the air every 5 years? This crap could (and maybe should) be the beginning of the end of hockey here in Smashville.

    • whateveryousaydude - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      works for me. i hate the predator team.

  36. whateveryousaydude - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    All these pro-owner comments crack me up. It’s not the owners out there getting their heads cracked open and their teeth knocked out. The owners signed player deals that they didn’t want to sign. No one made them write their names. The owner offers put on the table are a joke. If teams are in markets that can’t make a profit, whose fault is that? Sure has hell not the players fault. The NHL and it’s owners have made some dumbass decisions…also not the players fault. Split the money fairly, move teams to profitable cities that can properly support the team. Owners need to pay up!

    • id4joey - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM

      You so clueless. You just don’t get it.

  37. wsphloyd - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Get your FIRE BETTMAN T-SHIRTS and more at

    It’s the third lockout under Gary Bettman’s reign!!!! Time for him to go!!!

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