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	<title>Comments on: Four reasons why owners have been willing to sign players to long contracts</title>
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		<title>By: hockeyflow33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hockeyflow33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d imagine that they tell him he&#039;s a douchebag]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d imagine that they tell him he&#8217;s a douchebag</p>
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		<title>By: hockeyflow33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hockeyflow33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would be an incredible benefit to small market teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be an incredible benefit to small market teams.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You skim, but keep replying. Which one is it, genius?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You skim, but keep replying. Which one is it, genius?</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry if I skimmed your previous post.  You see after a while of reading your stuff, that&#039;s all I can stomach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I skimmed your previous post.  You see after a while of reading your stuff, that&#8217;s all I can stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of them.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want specifics.  Cmon, let&#039;s hear that juicy insider info you&#039;ve got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want specifics.  Cmon, let&#8217;s hear that juicy insider info you&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you ask a dumb question when the answer was already posted? WTF is the matter with you zetaone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you ask a dumb question when the answer was already posted? WTF is the matter with you zetaone?</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/four-reasons-why-owners-have-been-willing-to-sign-players-to-long-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-115758</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terrible idea. Owners might as well shut down the league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrible idea. Owners might as well shut down the league.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/four-reasons-why-owners-have-been-willing-to-sign-players-to-long-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-115757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait. Sources, or voices?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. Sources, or voices?</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/four-reasons-why-owners-have-been-willing-to-sign-players-to-long-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-115756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do your inside sources tell you Joey?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do your inside sources tell you Joey?</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a stupid idea. Try sending that idea to Fehr and Bettman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a stupid idea. Try sending that idea to Fehr and Bettman.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/four-reasons-why-owners-have-been-willing-to-sign-players-to-long-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-115753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[valoisvipers, I&#039;m hearing good things about the effort to make a deal. I hope I was wrong about this player/owner meeting, and that something very positive will result. It appears that the Toronto owner, (he has a few bucks at stake here....) is pushing hard for a deal. They&#039;ve been locked up for a couple of hours already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>valoisvipers, I&#8217;m hearing good things about the effort to make a deal. I hope I was wrong about this player/owner meeting, and that something very positive will result. It appears that the Toronto owner, (he has a few bucks at stake here&#8230;.) is pushing hard for a deal. They&#8217;ve been locked up for a couple of hours already.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[valoisvipers, why do you think people here take a fit when I comment, and 2 days later PHT comes out with an article repeating what I&#039;ve said and no one bats an eye? Ah! Kids!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>valoisvipers, why do you think people here take a fit when I comment, and 2 days later PHT comes out with an article repeating what I&#8217;ve said and no one bats an eye? Ah! Kids!</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats far from a good idea. 

The owners of teams that currently don&#039;t have star players would never go for it, neither will teams that expect to be in playoff contention for the forseeable future. There are two main problems with it:

1. The NHL is looking for more parity... not less. Building a long term dynasty team would be MUCH easier under your idea.

2. If teams have a much easier time keeping stars since they can offer them contracts twice as long, that would mean the only way to get a star player if you don&#039;t currently have one is to draft them. The problem is these are no certain things when it comes to draft picks. Not to mention teams that don&#039;t have enough star power to win the cup, but aren&#039;t terrible enough to get good draft picks would be stuck in a terrible limbo land.  

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Also, the players freaked out when the owners wanted to make it so there is no more then a 5% difference in year to year salary... do you honestly think they would take a deal where there is 0% difference allowed in year to year salary? Absolutely not. Besides, such an idea would be a real problem for older players looking for a bit of job security. 

This is why its a lot harder then you think. What might sound like a good idea before you dig into it, is often a really bad idea that has no chance of going anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats far from a good idea. </p>
<p>The owners of teams that currently don&#8217;t have star players would never go for it, neither will teams that expect to be in playoff contention for the forseeable future. There are two main problems with it:</p>
<p>1. The NHL is looking for more parity&#8230; not less. Building a long term dynasty team would be MUCH easier under your idea.</p>
<p>2. If teams have a much easier time keeping stars since they can offer them contracts twice as long, that would mean the only way to get a star player if you don&#8217;t currently have one is to draft them. The problem is these are no certain things when it comes to draft picks. Not to mention teams that don&#8217;t have enough star power to win the cup, but aren&#8217;t terrible enough to get good draft picks would be stuck in a terrible limbo land.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Also, the players freaked out when the owners wanted to make it so there is no more then a 5% difference in year to year salary&#8230; do you honestly think they would take a deal where there is 0% difference allowed in year to year salary? Absolutely not. Besides, such an idea would be a real problem for older players looking for a bit of job security. </p>
<p>This is why its a lot harder then you think. What might sound like a good idea before you dig into it, is often a really bad idea that has no chance of going anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure why this is getting down votes, it&#039;s another honest and legitimate idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why this is getting down votes, it&#8217;s another honest and legitimate idea.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be a millionaire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be a millionaire.</p>
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		<title>By: hockeyflow33</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/four-reasons-why-owners-have-been-willing-to-sign-players-to-long-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-115722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hockeyflow33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NHL would finally get the NBA sign-and-trade]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NHL would finally get the NBA sign-and-trade</p>
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		<title>By: hockeyflow33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hockeyflow33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s ideas like this that make me wonder what the hell is wrong with these guys. There&#039;s been numerous solid ideas in the comment section here alone that would make complete and total sense for both sides. How can we get some of us into these meetings?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ideas like this that make me wonder what the hell is wrong with these guys. There&#8217;s been numerous solid ideas in the comment section here alone that would make complete and total sense for both sides. How can we get some of us into these meetings?</p>
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		<title>By: rockyspond</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rockyspond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice try danaking but:

the owners already proposed an annual allowable variance of 5% in actual salary being paid;  the PA immediately rejected that as a blatant assault on players&#039; contracting rights.

the PA would never accept a system limiting a players&#039; right to test free agency value by allowing only his home team to sign him for more than 5 years.  let&#039;s say a player wants the security of a long term deal, but wants it from a contender rather then continuing to play to play for a perennial loser.  or  can a home team sign a player to a 10 year deal but then be prohibited from trading him?  Maybe a more acceptable option could be a system allowing for longer term contracts with only a rolling maximum of 5 years being guaranteed...i.e after year 1, years 2-6 become guaranteed, after year 2, years 3-7 become guaranteed, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try danaking but:</p>
<p>the owners already proposed an annual allowable variance of 5% in actual salary being paid;  the PA immediately rejected that as a blatant assault on players&#8217; contracting rights.</p>
<p>the PA would never accept a system limiting a players&#8217; right to test free agency value by allowing only his home team to sign him for more than 5 years.  let&#8217;s say a player wants the security of a long term deal, but wants it from a contender rather then continuing to play to play for a perennial loser.  or  can a home team sign a player to a 10 year deal but then be prohibited from trading him?  Maybe a more acceptable option could be a system allowing for longer term contracts with only a rolling maximum of 5 years being guaranteed&#8230;i.e after year 1, years 2-6 become guaranteed, after year 2, years 3-7 become guaranteed, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: davebabychreturns</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davebabychreturns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a ton of reasons why owners would want to sign players to long term contracts, even ones that well exceed the maximum they&#039;re now requesting. 

If nothing else, in an environment where revenue growth (or at the very least, inflation) means that a certain dollar figure gets less and less valuable as time goes on, locking players in at a specific cost is of considerable value for teams.

The question that might be harder to answer is, why owners want to impose maximum contract lengths (this commenter would suggest that it is merely being used as leverage in these negotiations).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a ton of reasons why owners would want to sign players to long term contracts, even ones that well exceed the maximum they&#8217;re now requesting. </p>
<p>If nothing else, in an environment where revenue growth (or at the very least, inflation) means that a certain dollar figure gets less and less valuable as time goes on, locking players in at a specific cost is of considerable value for teams.</p>
<p>The question that might be harder to answer is, why owners want to impose maximum contract lengths (this commenter would suggest that it is merely being used as leverage in these negotiations).</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure those reasons look good to owners, but fail miserably to take into account the health of the game or even their own long-term interests. Is it just me, or do these guys have a remarkable resemblance to investment bankers (which some of them are)? You know, make highly-speculative, potentially disastrous bets and then arrange for somebody else to bail you out when they don&#039;t pan out. Of course you take all the credit if it works. Oh, and don&#039;t forget to cash in your fat &quot;bonus&quot; no matter how the deal turns out...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure those reasons look good to owners, but fail miserably to take into account the health of the game or even their own long-term interests. Is it just me, or do these guys have a remarkable resemblance to investment bankers (which some of them are)? You know, make highly-speculative, potentially disastrous bets and then arrange for somebody else to bail you out when they don&#8217;t pan out. Of course you take all the credit if it works. Oh, and don&#8217;t forget to cash in your fat &#8220;bonus&#8221; no matter how the deal turns out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: danaking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danaking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There should be a fairly easy compromise here, one that can even involve the fans. What about a five-year max contract, unless you&#039;re signing your own player, in which case the max can be 10? Also, cap hits are either the actual value of the contract each year, or must all be the same value/year. (A 5-year, $25 million contract must be paid out $5 million a year.)

Seems everyone gives a little there, and fans will be appeased because it will be easier for the home town team to keep players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a fairly easy compromise here, one that can even involve the fans. What about a five-year max contract, unless you&#8217;re signing your own player, in which case the max can be 10? Also, cap hits are either the actual value of the contract each year, or must all be the same value/year. (A 5-year, $25 million contract must be paid out $5 million a year.)</p>
<p>Seems everyone gives a little there, and fans will be appeased because it will be easier for the home town team to keep players.</p>
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