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Players-owners meeting will happen Tuesday

Dec 2, 2012, 5:29 PM EDT

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The NHLPA and NHL plan to go through with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman’s proposal for the players and owners to have a meeting without the Donald Fehr or Bettman present.

The meeting will happen on Tuesday and include owners Ron Burkle of the Pittsburgh Penguins, Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins, Mark Chipman of the the Winnipeg Jets, Larry Tanenbaum of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Murray Edwards of the Calgary Flames, and Jeffrey Vinik of the Tampa Bay Lightning, based on a statement from NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly.

On top of that, Daly will also be present, according to TSN’s Bob McKenzie. Both the NHL and players were reportedly allowed to pick one “staff” member to be present at the union’s request. The NHL opted to have Daly serve as their staff member and McKenzie speculated that the union will counter with Steve Fehr, although he stressed that it hasn’t been confirmed.

It also remains to be seen which players will be in attendance.

This meeting will take place in the aftermath of the NHL and NHLPA’s discouraging meetings with federal mediators. The mediators spoke with the two sides for only two days before they concluded, in Daly’s words, “that the parties remained far apart, and that no progress toward a resolution could be made through further mediation at this point in time.”

There’s also been increased talk lately about the possibility of the union decertifying. Those discussions might amplify if no significant progress towards a new CBA is made in the near future.

  1. zetaone - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Great!

    Except the part about Jeremy Jacobs.

  2. daburghdabest - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    If I were the players I’d have only agreed if neither Bettman, Daly or Jacobs were present. They wouldn’t have been agreeing to anything without running it past Fehr anyway, so they didn’t need any trade off there. At the very least if they were making the concession that Daly be allowed to attend, Jeremy Jacobs should’ve been allowed no where near this. He’ll kill any progress like he did that one Friday he showed up after missing the previous days meetings. Also after Dolan expressed a strong desire to be present, it shows just how divided the owners are that he wasn’t included. Basically all this will be is the same a-hole owners as usual plus Burkle & Tanenbaum who will likely get out-shouted by Jacobs, Edwards, Vinik & Daly. We already know they have no problem telling The Jets’ owners to hush so that’s another on their side. I don’t see anything coming from this. Even adding Snider instead of one of those jackoffs would’ve been fine.

  3. busdriver71 - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Jacobs but not Dolan!?

    Things will be worse after this meeting.

    • stakex - Dec 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM

      Well Jacobs was a given, since hes the chairman of the NHL Board of Governors. They also weren’t going to let Dolan anywhere near the meeting sicne he wants nothing more then to get a deal done and start playing…. can’t have “weakness” like that at the table now can we?

  4. killerpgh - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Since everything seems to be a PR stunt they should just broadcast this meeting on TV and let the fans form an educated decision on the subject.

    • manchestermiracle - Dec 2, 2012 at 11:43 PM

      I don’t need to see the turd to know something’s stinking up the room….

  5. busdriver71 - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    The NHLPA should let the fans pick the players who will attend.

    I vote to pick the players with the most penalty minutes from last season.

  6. ron05342 - Dec 2, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    This meeting is an absolute waste of time…which doesn’t matter in the long run, since both sides have done nothing but waste time since the lockout started.

    At least they are consistent.

  7. antkowiak666 - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    this isn’t going to change anything!!

  8. crosberries - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Kind of funny that the rangers owner wanted in and clearly he won’t be attenting yet Jacobs who everyone knows wants every penny will be in attendance

  9. trick9 - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Jacobs and Daly are taking part of this?

    Well that pretty much kills even the smallest amount of optimism about this meeting.

  10. dkphilly1122 - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    I can’t agree more. Why the hell would Jacobs be involved?? Get some of the GOOD Owners involved who actually want the remainder of a hockey season. This is definitely gonna end ugly with that prick involved. Swap Jacobs for Dolan!!!!

    • stakex - Dec 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM

      Hes the head of the NHL Board of Governors. While I don’t disagree that it would have been much better to have Dolan instead of Jacobs that was never going to happen.

  11. gnazarov - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    Eh, whatever. I’ve lost interest and don’t even care anymore. I’m moving on. The NHL and NHLPA could both go F themselves for all I care. I stuck with you a-holes after 04-05 but this time you’ve lost me.

    • zetaone - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:33 PM

      For the amount of people that supposedly “don’t care anymore” there sure are a lot of the same repeat posters saying the same stuff over and over.

      • gnazarov - Dec 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM

        You might be right on that, I don’t know, but that’s the first time I weighed in on the subject.

  12. schlitzy - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    these a-holes sucked all of my optimism out of me a month ago. this will end the same way all the other meetings have ended. no progress…miles apart…blah..blah…blah…

  13. buffalo65 - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    WHO CARES? Go Jays Go

    • General Lee 1175 - Dec 2, 2012 at 6:57 PM

      UGH I’ll never forget the 92 World Series , breaks my heart still! damn you Dave Winfield!

  14. dkphilly1122 - Dec 2, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    Exactly Zeta. They “don’t care” yet they find the time to comment how they both can go f themselves…….amazing, or just idiots…..either or.

    • sizzle299 - Dec 2, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      It took me 45.5 seconds to write and post this. Time to comment? Not so much. I think you are an idiot for your opinion.

  15. stakex - Dec 2, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Everyone is focused on who the owners will have, which is understandable with Jacobs being there (but as I said above, that was a given). The other big question mark is what players are at the meeting. If its six over paid super stars, and not a good representation of the overall NHL (some guys making under $1 million would be good), nothing will get done from that end either.

    • zetaone - Dec 2, 2012 at 9:34 PM

      That will likely be the case, but who knows? Maybe if it goes better than terrible, more players/owners will be invited to join in.

  16. bcjim - Dec 2, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    This is a horrible idea all around unless the players really send the right six players. The fact is many (not all) hockey players:

    A. Are relatively to horribly uneducated
    B. Have no negotiating skill or experience.
    C. Have not reached the legal drinking age.
    D. Have had their bells rung 8 ways from Sunday.
    E. Dont speak English.

    Forget bringing a knife to a gunfight, they’ll be bringing signs that say ‘kick me’.

    • windmiller4 - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:22 AM

      Were still talking about the NHL, Right?

  17. id4joey - Dec 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Players should take the deal.

    The owner’s desire to restructure back diving contracts is taking back what they agreed to. This has been clear from the get go. They, as owners, have a right to make this request, and, players have a right not to accept this. But, what choices do players have?

    Luongo has $47,284,000 left to be paid on his contract, and to be paid as shown in the left column, and how he would get paid if they agreed to have their contracts restructured in the right column.
    2012-13 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2013-14 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2014-15 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2015-16 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2016-17 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2017-18 – $6,714,000 – $4,728,400
    2018-19 – $3,382,000 – $4,728,400
    2019-20 – $1,618,000 – $4,728,400
    2020-21 – $1,000,000 – $4,728,400
    2021-22 – $1,000,000 – $4,728,400

    The current cap hit for this contract is $5,333,333, and would be $4,728,400 if they can restructure.

    The yearly amount for a restructured contract may differ. The NHL’s proposal indicated that there can be no more than a 5% differential year over year. Is it really in Luongo’s best interest to lose 6.7m this year or lose 2m and make up for the lost over the remaining years of his contract?

    That’s why I keep hoping for the players to see the lesser of 2 evils. Doesn’t it make more financial sense to take the hit now?

  18. jessejames182 - Dec 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Remember when the NHL cancelled the winter classic and Fehr and the players called it unnecessary? Yet we’re here with about a month before the season is cancelled. #2012-2013highlights

  19. bolts1 - Dec 2, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Nothing else has worked so why not give this a shot? Jacobs was a given and is also a proven obstacle to any progress but I love that Jeff Vinik will be involved. He’s more moderate and prefers to see games played. Not to mention how involved with the community and fan base he is and the respect he’s earned from the players. A great balance to an idiot like Jacobs. Finally, I’m cautiously optimistic.

  20. woodstakes - Dec 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    I stated this earlier that I thought this was a good idea ONLY if either ALL the owners could be present or that CERTAIN ownership be represented here (namely Dolan and Lemiuex*Since he’s seen this from both sides), but I later said that there was NO WAY Bettman would allow this to happen since he’s such a control freak.. I got thumbed down like crazy.. but here we are and who do we get… Jacobs (Bettman in disguise) and NO DOLAN! What a big surprise. This could have been a good open discussion with a real chance to get to the bottom of what needs to happen to get a deal, but now its a complete waste of time. Jacobs will dominate the room and everyone else is to damn scared to say anything to him. At least Dolan would have stood up and spoke his views even if they contradicted those of Bettman. He was a big leader in the NBA making a deal last year, his leadership and experience could have been a big boost here, but Bettman and Jacobs made sure that wouldn’t happen. I mean what, Dolan says a day or so ago that he would “wants in on player/owner meeting…” and what now all of sudden his schedule was to full to attend and ALREADY scheduled owners meeting… YEAH RIGHT! To bad Nolan can’t say anything about it or control freak Bettman will fine one of his BOSSES $1M!

    • woodstakes - Dec 2, 2012 at 10:59 PM

      *… an ALREADY scheduled owners meeting*

  21. bolts1 - Dec 2, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    Now that we know which owners will be there I hope the players are very smart about who they choose to represent. Could be the difference between progress or the end of the line.

  22. id4joey - Dec 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM

    woodstakes, the owners scheduled to be present are pro-Bettman, and will be accompanied by Daly. This is a waste of time. Period.

    • killerpgh - Dec 3, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      Just wondering why you consider Ron Burkle “pro-Bettman”? Maybe he is, but I have no clue. Burkle is rich as hell and has worked very well with unions in his other businesses.

      • woodstakes - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        killer.. I wouldn’t consider Burkle “pro-Bettman” especially since the next CBA could directly relate to what happens with the “Face of the Franchise”. I’m actually glad to have him in there after reading up a bit about the guy. This isn’t his first labor rodeo, so that can’t hurt.. not to mention he’s probably going to be the one of the richest guys in the room so I doubt he’ll be intimidated by anyone who’s there (Jacobs/Daly).

      • woodstakes - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:59 PM

        Opps.. hit post prematurely.. I just would have liked to have both him and Dolan there. Dolan reportedly helped immensely on last years NBA labor issue and we already know he has no love loss for Bettman. NOT that I think Dolan would undermine Bettman but I do think he would speak to some alternatives to the hardliners. Maybe, Burkle will be that guy.. can only hope!

  23. wsphloyd - Dec 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Get FIRE BETTMAN T-Shirts and more at:

    http://www.cafepress.com/fbettman

    The little, arrogant weasel must go!!!!

  24. crossi12 - Dec 3, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    I get both sides to the story thou they both are dbags, but just wondering and maybe someone might know the answer….Couldnt the DBAG Commish void all the contracts that were signed this summer based on grounds that they were done in bad faith on the owners part (we all know they never intended on paying that money) and those players go back to the status they had prior to the end of the current CBA and couldnt that give a better starting point to the new CBA talks?!!…Cause I’ll use the Shea Weber deal for both sides…From a Flyers fan (yea Im a little biased!lol) but if Im Ed Synder I’d be dammed if Nashville matches my offer then expects me to help pay that contract and if Im Shea Id expect to get paid what was offered….

    • woodstakes - Dec 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      I see what your saying there crossi… but that would open a big can of worms. I mean where do you draw the line.. do you go all the way back to Kovy and Lou’s contracts?? Who keeps the rights of the players? Do they become FA’s again and the bidding war starts all over again? What if they decide to start the season say Jan 1 (meaning this meeting leads to a deal, which I doubt), but all these guys are unsigned because they are FA’s and the bidding war hasn’t ended? Its just a whole bunch of issues in there. I’m not lawyer but i’m sure there are a multitude of legal issues in there. The bottom line is these contracts were entered into legally under the bylaws of the CBA which they under at the time. There is no reason they should not be honored, NO ONE broke ANY rules here other than the owners lied apparently. They told these players that “We want you, we’ll pay you X amount over X amount of years, so sign here!” and apparently were thinking “We have your rights now and we won’t have to pay you what we said because Gary is going to take care of it!”.

      • crossi12 - Dec 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM

        Yea, very good points to bring up and I guess it could really get messy, I do hope players realize they cant win and the owners will just out wait them, its no contest really…Its either you wanna play or you dont wanna play….I also hope that they understand, no matter how talented G is, or Sid,Gino, etc they will never make Lebron money its not there and they are the 4th sport (hopefully still there!ha)…And your EXACTLY on point those owners knew damm well what they were doing and its not right…The damage that is being done to the game is sickening….I have started to watch the CHL on the NHLnetwork (only reason I dont boycott the channel) and its actually really good I was quite surprised…..

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