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		<title>By: williplett</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s certainly the players fault that the season has yet to start&quot;=fail.  

This was plain foolish, Joeyido69.  Plain foolish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s certainly the players fault that the season has yet to start&#8221;=fail.  </p>
<p>This was plain foolish, Joeyido69.  Plain foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: williplett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[williplett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will the Jackets be there in 2022?  Who knows? 2017?  Maybe?  Weak yes?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the Jackets be there in 2022?  Who knows? 2017?  Maybe?  Weak yes?  </p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[woodstakes, manchestermiracle, I get it men. The owner&#039;s desire to restructure back diving contracts is taking back what they agreed to. This has been clear from the get go.. They, as owners, have a right to make this request, and, players have a right not to accept this. But, what choices do players have? 

Luongo has $47,284,000 left to be paid on his contract, and to be paid as shown in the left column, and how he would get paid if they agreed to have their contracts restructured in the right column.
2012-13 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2013-14 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2014-15 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2015-16 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2016-17 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2017-18 - $6,714,000 - $4,728,400
2018-19 - $3,382,00 - $4,728,400
2019-20 - $1,618,000 - $4,728,400
2020-21 - $1,000,000 - $4,728,400
2021-22 - $1,000,000 - $4,728,400

The current cap hit for this contract is $5,333,333, and would be $4,728,400 if they can restructure. 

The yearly amount for a restructured contract may differ. The NHL&#039;s proposal indicated that there can be no more than a 5% differential year over year. Is it really in Luongo&#039;s best interest to lose 6.7m this year or lose 2m and make up for the lost over the remaining years of his contract? 

That&#039;s why I keep hoping for the players to see the lesser of 2 evils. Am I that far off? Doesn&#039;t it make more financial sense to take the hit now? Tell you what. If I get 100 thumbs down because of this logic, then I&#039;m out of here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woodstakes, manchestermiracle, I get it men. The owner&#8217;s desire to restructure back diving contracts is taking back what they agreed to. This has been clear from the get go.. They, as owners, have a right to make this request, and, players have a right not to accept this. But, what choices do players have? </p>
<p>Luongo has $47,284,000 left to be paid on his contract, and to be paid as shown in the left column, and how he would get paid if they agreed to have their contracts restructured in the right column.<br />
2012-13 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2013-14 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2014-15 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2015-16 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2016-17 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2017-18 &#8211; $6,714,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2018-19 &#8211; $3,382,00 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2019-20 &#8211; $1,618,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2020-21 &#8211; $1,000,000 &#8211; $4,728,400<br />
2021-22 &#8211; $1,000,000 &#8211; $4,728,400</p>
<p>The current cap hit for this contract is $5,333,333, and would be $4,728,400 if they can restructure. </p>
<p>The yearly amount for a restructured contract may differ. The NHL&#8217;s proposal indicated that there can be no more than a 5% differential year over year. Is it really in Luongo&#8217;s best interest to lose 6.7m this year or lose 2m and make up for the lost over the remaining years of his contract? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I keep hoping for the players to see the lesser of 2 evils. Am I that far off? Doesn&#8217;t it make more financial sense to take the hit now? Tell you what. If I get 100 thumbs down because of this logic, then I&#8217;m out of here.</p>
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		<title>By: mrchainbluelightning</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrchainbluelightning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohio can and will support hockey, leave the Jackets
However the is 1 too many teams in Florida, California and Arizona

Contraction is not the answer, relocation is
Seattle, Southern Ontario and QC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio can and will support hockey, leave the Jackets<br />
However the is 1 too many teams in Florida, California and Arizona</p>
<p>Contraction is not the answer, relocation is<br />
Seattle, Southern Ontario and QC</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[woodstakes, 7 minion for a year could be less depending on HRR.  Could also be more if HRR is up. Funny how none of the players gave the money back when HRR was up. they want to restructure Luongo contract so all the money is not paid up front. He still gets the money over the same amount of years. Screw him if he&#039;s willing to lose 7 million this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woodstakes, 7 minion for a year could be less depending on HRR.  Could also be more if HRR is up. Funny how none of the players gave the money back when HRR was up. they want to restructure Luongo contract so all the money is not paid up front. He still gets the money over the same amount of years. Screw him if he&#8217;s willing to lose 7 million this year.</p>
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		<title>By: east96st</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[east96st]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we should all take a &quot;lifelong hockey player from San Diego&quot; word about what to do with Columbus. I&#039;m sure your perspective from San Diego makes you an authority on Columbus, Ohio. Since I read an article about bird and seal crap is making La Jolla stink, I am in in favor of shutting San Diego down and moving everyone out. Let&#039;s let the bird and seals live in peace. See how incredibly f**king stupid it sounds when you try to discuss something you know nothing about from over 2,000 miles away?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we should all take a &#8220;lifelong hockey player from San Diego&#8221; word about what to do with Columbus. I&#8217;m sure your perspective from San Diego makes you an authority on Columbus, Ohio. Since I read an article about bird and seal crap is making La Jolla stink, I am in in favor of shutting San Diego down and moving everyone out. Let&#8217;s let the bird and seals live in peace. See how incredibly f**king stupid it sounds when you try to discuss something you know nothing about from over 2,000 miles away?</p>
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		<title>By: scionofflame</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scionofflame]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Nashville fan, I think you can pull my team right off the list. They don&#039;t have attendance problems, though they do still lose some money as other teams do. The fanbase down here is sizeable and damn loyal, and the team has made playoffs the last what...eight years? Not the best record once we&#039;re in, but we do get in, and we&#039;ve started doing better.

Also, speak for yourselves about the whole contraction thing. A lot of fans don&#039;t want to see their teams move, and you&#039;ll hit a lot of fans hard if you do. It&#039;s never easy, but I think you move the franchises that are overloading their state. I could see the Panthers moving because the Lightning have (generally) been a better team, and seem to be more popular, especially with Stamkos on the rise. Phoenix is...well, a hell of a mess, but still has some solid fans. 

It&#039;s hard to take a team away from the fans, at the end of the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Nashville fan, I think you can pull my team right off the list. They don&#8217;t have attendance problems, though they do still lose some money as other teams do. The fanbase down here is sizeable and damn loyal, and the team has made playoffs the last what&#8230;eight years? Not the best record once we&#8217;re in, but we do get in, and we&#8217;ve started doing better.</p>
<p>Also, speak for yourselves about the whole contraction thing. A lot of fans don&#8217;t want to see their teams move, and you&#8217;ll hit a lot of fans hard if you do. It&#8217;s never easy, but I think you move the franchises that are overloading their state. I could see the Panthers moving because the Lightning have (generally) been a better team, and seem to be more popular, especially with Stamkos on the rise. Phoenix is&#8230;well, a hell of a mess, but still has some solid fans. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to take a team away from the fans, at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: northstars17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[northstars17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as a lifelong hockey player, who know lives in San Diego, CA.... I am all in favor of taking some of these &quot;sunbelt&quot; teams BACK TO CANADA.

I was raised in Indiana as a diehard B-Hawks and N-Stars fan (that might sound odd but its true). I have also LIVED in North Carolina and Oklahoma and I can say for 100% sure those ARE hockey states. especially N Carolina. so KEEP the Carolina Hurricanes and the Dallas Stars.  

the teams that need to go are obviously Phoenix, Columbus, and either Florida or Nashville. when I say need to go I mean relocated, preferably in Canada where the sport was built.  how can there honestly be only 6 Canadian teams???  I think 2 teams need to go back asap. one to Quebec, and one to Ontario.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a lifelong hockey player, who know lives in San Diego, CA&#8230;. I am all in favor of taking some of these &#8220;sunbelt&#8221; teams BACK TO CANADA.</p>
<p>I was raised in Indiana as a diehard B-Hawks and N-Stars fan (that might sound odd but its true). I have also LIVED in North Carolina and Oklahoma and I can say for 100% sure those ARE hockey states. especially N Carolina. so KEEP the Carolina Hurricanes and the Dallas Stars.  </p>
<p>the teams that need to go are obviously Phoenix, Columbus, and either Florida or Nashville. when I say need to go I mean relocated, preferably in Canada where the sport was built.  how can there honestly be only 6 Canadian teams???  I think 2 teams need to go back asap. one to Quebec, and one to Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: woodstakes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodstakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter what was done in the last CBA on contracts. Those contracts were entered into during that CBA and followed the rules given in said CBA. The owners want it both ways... they want to limit these contracts in future (which I agree with them) but in turn they then want to go back and change something that they feel in some way they were taken advantage of. You can&#039;t do it both ways. They offered these contracts... they agreed to these contracts.. now they should have to pay these contracts. Do whatever you want/can in the next CBA. But, you can&#039;t just have a lockout every 7 years and treat as a &#039;do over&#039; and try to go back and correct bad business decisions. That&#039;s not a very good &#039;model for any business&#039; now either is it? The 1%&#039;ers and they&#039;re ideas that they are somehow more entitled to things then everyone else. They make bad business choices and instead of just moving on and making adjustments in the next CBA to prevent this from happening they have to try to make up for it to by trying to get the players to make yet another concession. The owners have not made one single concession in this whole dispute. Everything that has happened is to better the owners situation... the players are getting absolutely nothing better from they&#039;re point of view. Its all take and no give.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what was done in the last CBA on contracts. Those contracts were entered into during that CBA and followed the rules given in said CBA. The owners want it both ways&#8230; they want to limit these contracts in future (which I agree with them) but in turn they then want to go back and change something that they feel in some way they were taken advantage of. You can&#8217;t do it both ways. They offered these contracts&#8230; they agreed to these contracts.. now they should have to pay these contracts. Do whatever you want/can in the next CBA. But, you can&#8217;t just have a lockout every 7 years and treat as a &#8216;do over&#8217; and try to go back and correct bad business decisions. That&#8217;s not a very good &#8216;model for any business&#8217; now either is it? The 1%&#8217;ers and they&#8217;re ideas that they are somehow more entitled to things then everyone else. They make bad business choices and instead of just moving on and making adjustments in the next CBA to prevent this from happening they have to try to make up for it to by trying to get the players to make yet another concession. The owners have not made one single concession in this whole dispute. Everything that has happened is to better the owners situation&#8230; the players are getting absolutely nothing better from they&#8217;re point of view. Its all take and no give.</p>
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		<title>By: woodstakes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodstakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How am I misinformed? Your contract says.. &quot;You will be paid $X amount of dollars over X amount of years.&quot; thats a &#039;promise to pay&#039;. PERIOD. It doesn&#039;t say &quot;You will be paid $X amount of dollars over X amount of years, except if we decide we don&#039;t want to pay you that.&quot; Do you have any idea of what a contract is? Or why contracts exist?? They are there to protect the worker and the company/employer. The point is to have it put down all nice like in writing so there is no dispute on salary. The owners don&#039;t want to just limit these front loaded contracts they want to go back and say that all these contracts prior to this CBA that is being negotiated now to be reworked as well. THAT is NOT HONORING a contract or NOT getting paid what was promised to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How am I misinformed? Your contract says.. &#8220;You will be paid $X amount of dollars over X amount of years.&#8221; thats a &#8216;promise to pay&#8217;. PERIOD. It doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;You will be paid $X amount of dollars over X amount of years, except if we decide we don&#8217;t want to pay you that.&#8221; Do you have any idea of what a contract is? Or why contracts exist?? They are there to protect the worker and the company/employer. The point is to have it put down all nice like in writing so there is no dispute on salary. The owners don&#8217;t want to just limit these front loaded contracts they want to go back and say that all these contracts prior to this CBA that is being negotiated now to be reworked as well. THAT is NOT HONORING a contract or NOT getting paid what was promised to them.</p>
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		<title>By: ironmike778</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ironmike778]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve known this for 20 years.  It couldn&#039;t be more obvious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve known this for 20 years.  It couldn&#8217;t be more obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[manchester, of course a split of HRR is a known fact that it implies a variable. That&#039;s a no brainer, and the players already agreed to give in on HRR. What they don&#039;t want is the contract structures to change, in other words they don&#039;t want front loaded ones to be restructured. The amount is subject to the variable, Have you seen the structure of Luong&#039;s contract? Ugly! They want to go back and change the structure, not the amount. Extend UFA by one year and limit contract lengths to 5 years. These are the core issues. The union wants a guarantee that the players share of 50/50 will not be below a certain threshold. How stupid is that? They believe its ok that their share is increased if HRR goes up, but want their share not to go below a set to a amount in case HRR goes down.  Is this a good business model for any business?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>manchester, of course a split of HRR is a known fact that it implies a variable. That&#8217;s a no brainer, and the players already agreed to give in on HRR. What they don&#8217;t want is the contract structures to change, in other words they don&#8217;t want front loaded ones to be restructured. The amount is subject to the variable, Have you seen the structure of Luong&#8217;s contract? Ugly! They want to go back and change the structure, not the amount. Extend UFA by one year and limit contract lengths to 5 years. These are the core issues. The union wants a guarantee that the players share of 50/50 will not be below a certain threshold. How stupid is that? They believe its ok that their share is increased if HRR goes up, but want their share not to go below a set to a amount in case HRR goes down.  Is this a good business model for any business?</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[joey:

&quot;The NHLPA’s latest offer would have given the league and players a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues, plus an additional $393 million to the players over four years in recognition of the contracts already signed.

&quot;The NHL rejected that offer and there have been no major negotiations since. It appears that in addition to the financial issues, the two sides are divided when it comes to contract rights.&quot;

So, no, the owners do NOT want to honor contracts they signed. That alone makes them the bad guys here. &quot;(Y)ou’re obviously misinformed.&quot; The league is attempting to beat the union down into irrelevance on virtually every issue. Getting the union to agree to any plan that would allow the league to dishonor recently signed contracts would set a very bad precedent for salary negotiations in the future.

What the league really wants is a players&#039; union in name only in order to retain their anti-trust exemption, while dictating every aspect of business. Thinking the players should cave to that agenda is short-sighted and somewhat selfish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joey:</p>
<p>&#8220;The NHLPA’s latest offer would have given the league and players a 50-50 split of hockey-related revenues, plus an additional $393 million to the players over four years in recognition of the contracts already signed.</p>
<p>&#8220;The NHL rejected that offer and there have been no major negotiations since. It appears that in addition to the financial issues, the two sides are divided when it comes to contract rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, no, the owners do NOT want to honor contracts they signed. That alone makes them the bad guys here. &#8220;(Y)ou’re obviously misinformed.&#8221; The league is attempting to beat the union down into irrelevance on virtually every issue. Getting the union to agree to any plan that would allow the league to dishonor recently signed contracts would set a very bad precedent for salary negotiations in the future.</p>
<p>What the league really wants is a players&#8217; union in name only in order to retain their anti-trust exemption, while dictating every aspect of business. Thinking the players should cave to that agenda is short-sighted and somewhat selfish.</p>
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		<title>By: boiler72</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boiler72]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Nordiques fan since the 80&#039;s - yes ... get the Nords back to Quebec.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Nordiques fan since the 80&#8242;s &#8211; yes &#8230; get the Nords back to Quebec.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 13:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Relax young man. No need to get personal. Yes! It is the owners who locked out the players, but it continues to this day because the players refuse to sign a new CBA.  In case you missed it, all players will get paid what they were promised. What are you talking about? (wanting to get paid what was promised to them)  You may know what front loaded means, but you&#039;re obviously misinformed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax young man. No need to get personal. Yes! It is the owners who locked out the players, but it continues to this day because the players refuse to sign a new CBA.  In case you missed it, all players will get paid what they were promised. What are you talking about? (wanting to get paid what was promised to them)  You may know what front loaded means, but you&#8217;re obviously misinformed.</p>
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		<title>By: acieu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[acieu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy is right. Move franchises to Seattle, Quebec City GTA, and Portland and put two or three more out of their misery and get on with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy is right. Move franchises to Seattle, Quebec City GTA, and Portland and put two or three more out of their misery and get on with it.</p>
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		<title>By: dprouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dprouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s easy to talk contraction from the sidelines, but what owner wants to give up his asset for nothing, and just walk away?  No way - they&#039;ll sell to an owner in a prospective expansion city first.  The NHL doesn&#039;t want that, as expansion money is coveted by owners.  For them, it&#039;s like finding $20 in a suit you haven&#039;t worn in a while.  Now you are asking them to dig into their pockets, probably to the tune of $20 million each, to contract a bunch of teams.  Good luck with that.

Fun fact - the last major league professional sports franchise to simply fold was the Cleveland Barons.  That was now 34 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to talk contraction from the sidelines, but what owner wants to give up his asset for nothing, and just walk away?  No way &#8211; they&#8217;ll sell to an owner in a prospective expansion city first.  The NHL doesn&#8217;t want that, as expansion money is coveted by owners.  For them, it&#8217;s like finding $20 in a suit you haven&#8217;t worn in a while.  Now you are asking them to dig into their pockets, probably to the tune of $20 million each, to contract a bunch of teams.  Good luck with that.</p>
<p>Fun fact &#8211; the last major league professional sports franchise to simply fold was the Cleveland Barons.  That was now 34 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: woodstakes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodstakes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes you say things man and i&#039;m not sure if your sarcastic or just trying to look stupid... You say the lockout is the players fault... First off the players can&#039;t start a LOCKOUT! Secondly you say the owners want to stop these front loaded (back diving; needed to be iterated I guess because we&#039;re all to stupid to know what front loaded means), so in saying that your saying the owners don&#039;t want to honor the contracts that are currently signed then, right? Signed by players from the GM&#039;s of their teams, therefore it&#039;s no different than if the owner walked right in and laid it out on the desk and said &quot;Sign here!&quot;... so it&#039;s the players fault that they want to have their legally negotiated contracts honored?? Yup that&#039;s ALL the players doing! What the hell are they thinking... wanting to get paid what was promised to them. (Dripping with sarcasm in CASE you missed it!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you say things man and i&#8217;m not sure if your sarcastic or just trying to look stupid&#8230; You say the lockout is the players fault&#8230; First off the players can&#8217;t start a LOCKOUT! Secondly you say the owners want to stop these front loaded (back diving; needed to be iterated I guess because we&#8217;re all to stupid to know what front loaded means), so in saying that your saying the owners don&#8217;t want to honor the contracts that are currently signed then, right? Signed by players from the GM&#8217;s of their teams, therefore it&#8217;s no different than if the owner walked right in and laid it out on the desk and said &#8220;Sign here!&#8221;&#8230; so it&#8217;s the players fault that they want to have their legally negotiated contracts honored?? Yup that&#8217;s ALL the players doing! What the hell are they thinking&#8230; wanting to get paid what was promised to them. (Dripping with sarcasm in CASE you missed it!)</p>
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		<title>By: jmbates10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jmbates10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 03:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What should happen is not so much as get rid of teams but move them......to Quebec, new arena and rabid fan base. Another team in suburban Toronto, perhaps Saskatoon. This way you get player support and additional revenue from Canadian markets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What should happen is not so much as get rid of teams but move them&#8230;&#8230;to Quebec, new arena and rabid fan base. Another team in suburban Toronto, perhaps Saskatoon. This way you get player support and additional revenue from Canadian markets.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s certainly the players fault that the season has yet to start, and it&#039;s the GMs fault that the system was circumvented, and the owners fault for approving the front loaded contracts, which is giving an edge to the wealthier teams.  

GMs have to win, and to do so they need to be convincing when seeking the owner&#039;s approval for spending the big bucks on front loaded contracts. Ex: Parise, Sutter, Weber, Luongo, Hossa etc... The owners will fire Bettman when they&#039;ll no longer be satisfied with his work. BTW, not only do  the owners want to eliminate these front loaded contracts ( back diving) in the new CBA, they want the new terms to be retroactive to existing back-diving contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly the players fault that the season has yet to start, and it&#8217;s the GMs fault that the system was circumvented, and the owners fault for approving the front loaded contracts, which is giving an edge to the wealthier teams.  </p>
<p>GMs have to win, and to do so they need to be convincing when seeking the owner&#8217;s approval for spending the big bucks on front loaded contracts. Ex: Parise, Sutter, Weber, Luongo, Hossa etc&#8230; The owners will fire Bettman when they&#8217;ll no longer be satisfied with his work. BTW, not only do  the owners want to eliminate these front loaded contracts ( back diving) in the new CBA, they want the new terms to be retroactive to existing back-diving contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 03:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or The Dukes of Hazzard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or The Dukes of Hazzard.</p>
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		<title>By: zetaone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zetaone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No mention of Scott Howson? The best GM in the history of the NHL?  (lol)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of Scott Howson? The best GM in the history of the NHL?  (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fewer teams means fewer players and less revenue. Yeah I&#039;m sure the owners and the players would agree to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fewer teams means fewer players and less revenue. Yeah I&#8217;m sure the owners and the players would agree to that.</p>
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		<title>By: jaybird22seven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaybird22seven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Start by getting rid of Pheonix, Islanders, Panthers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start by getting rid of Pheonix, Islanders, Panthers.</p>
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		<title>By: innout10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[innout10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once Jamison closes the coyotes sale, which after more than 3 years finally has a January 2013 end in sight.... The coyotes will have the ability to be successful. The amount season tix jumped last year was amazing and with a good owner they will be just fine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once Jamison closes the coyotes sale, which after more than 3 years finally has a January 2013 end in sight&#8230;. The coyotes will have the ability to be successful. The amount season tix jumped last year was amazing and with a good owner they will be just fine</p>
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		<title>By: 1943mrmojorisin1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1943mrmojorisin1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for taking Gettysburg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for taking Gettysburg.</p>
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		<title>By: 1943mrmojorisin1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1943mrmojorisin1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re a no-Cup loudmouth.]]></description>
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		<title>By: phillyphanatic77</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphanatic77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People will say that the union will never allow contraction because it eliminates precious roster spots, but I don&#039;t think Gary Bettman will consider it either. Those struggling sun belt teams were his brainchild, and despite their obvious lack of revenue and fan support when has Bettman ever attempted to rectify his mistakes? Let alone admit them. Just look at the current lockout for example ... after the last CBA negotiation Bettman told us the salary cap was the solution to ALL the NHLs problems. But costs weren&#039;t reduced like they expected, player salaries skyrocketed from those teams circumventing their own system, and the wealth disparity gap among teams grew exponentially. And instead of looking at real solutions (contraction, relocation, revenue sharing, or a soft salary cap) during these current negotiations, Bettman has stuck to his usual strategy: blame the players. The league will never contract because that would mean the infallible commissioner made a mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will say that the union will never allow contraction because it eliminates precious roster spots, but I don&#8217;t think Gary Bettman will consider it either. Those struggling sun belt teams were his brainchild, and despite their obvious lack of revenue and fan support when has Bettman ever attempted to rectify his mistakes? Let alone admit them. Just look at the current lockout for example &#8230; after the last CBA negotiation Bettman told us the salary cap was the solution to ALL the NHLs problems. But costs weren&#8217;t reduced like they expected, player salaries skyrocketed from those teams circumventing their own system, and the wealth disparity gap among teams grew exponentially. And instead of looking at real solutions (contraction, relocation, revenue sharing, or a soft salary cap) during these current negotiations, Bettman has stuck to his usual strategy: blame the players. The league will never contract because that would mean the infallible commissioner made a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: General Lee 1175</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[General Lee 1175]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im all for  removing   florida  phoenix, and columbus  ,  but  nashville , carolina  and dallas  have to stay]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im all for  removing   florida  phoenix, and columbus  ,  but  nashville , carolina  and dallas  have to stay</p>
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		<title>By: chrisvegas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisvegas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most Flyers the last 30 years have no cup, does that mean we haven&#039;t had some great players? Roenick was a great player and is a great personality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Flyers the last 30 years have no cup, does that mean we haven&#8217;t had some great players? Roenick was a great player and is a great personality.</p>
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