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NHL, NHLPA talking, but no official meetings planned

Nov 24, 2012, 6:55 PM EDT

Donald Fehr AP

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman was hopeful on Wednesday that there would be some momentum in the CBA process following the NHLPA’s latest proposal. If there’s been any momentum since then, both sides have done a great job of hiding it.

Following the NHL’s rejection of the union’s offer, the possibility of the NHLPA decertifying has been discussed by both players and the media.

Meanwhile the NHL and union are still in contact with each other, but no official meetings have been planned, according to the Washington Times’ Stephen Whyno. The only silver lining is that the union and league are expected to converse over the phone again on Sunday or Monday.

This comes after the NHL scrapped all contests through Dec. 14 and the 2013 All-Star Game on Friday.

At the time, Fehr argued the cancellations were “unnecessary” and complained that the players “require a willing negotiating partner.”

We’ll see if the latest staring contest continues over the coming week or if the NHL and union resume formal negotiations in the near future.

  1. blomfeld - Nov 24, 2012 at 7:14 PM


    Lockout or not, this picture of “Fehr in the Shadows” get’s my vote for funniest picture of all ! :)

  2. thedavesiknowiknow - Nov 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

  3. id4joey - Nov 24, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    blomfeld, at this point the players are putting enormous pressure on Fehr to salvage whatever they can, and they are discussing the consequences of decertifying. I expect another offer from the PA by no later than mid week, or sooner. Tic toc tic toc. that’s the sound of the players time running out.

    • valoisvipers - Nov 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM

      Joey I hear the clock you speak of.My question would be, will the offer be a real offer as I think another rehash of what has been presented so far by Fehr would be an utter waste of time. Tick toc Tick toc……

      • id4joey - Nov 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM

        Well! Eventually they will have to provide the ‘real’ offer. Right now they are inching their way closer and closer to the owner’s demands to assess how much they can salvage. In essence they have until Dec 7th before the rest of the games in December are cancelled. This gives the PA ample time to make one, two, or maybe even three more proposals, with each one being closer to the owner’s demands. We’ll probably see one this week. BTW, everyone probably knows this, but if December is completely wiped out, then the probability of a shortened season is less likely, but, is still possible. Anything is better than nothing for both sides…. I think. I mean, if a team lost money last year one has to ask what percentage of the total amount was lost during the first three months (including training camp) of the season, and then look if it’s possible to break even from Jan/Feb to April/May, and including the playoffs. Remember that owners do not compensate the players during the playoffs, and it is estimated that a team makes 1 to 1.5 million per home game. It’s all about the math. In the case of the Caps Ted Leonis is bleeding money, and he is on the front lines negotiating with Bettman.

  4. sportsfan69 - Nov 24, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Operation Valkyrie has commensed, Detain the Fehr brothers. Save Canada’s heritage.

    The mid/lower-level players realize they better get involved. Or they’ll lose a year salary. Crosby and his millionaire buddies can’t suppress the information forever.

    • blomfeld - Nov 24, 2012 at 10:57 PM

      Id4joey & Sportsfan69 – I have to level with you friends, as I am really starting to wonder about this now ? As you know, I was convinced from the start that this was all by design, predicated on play starting up by either late November or early December. Yet here we are at November 24th and we have these idiots now apparently playing a game of chicken, with not just the season, but the league as we know it hanging in the balance ! Of course there has to be tremendous internal pressure on Fehr, which is sure to get even worse over the coming days. Yet as much as I wish there was a Von Stauffenberg ( :) ) within their ranks, what really concerns me now is if Fehr has completely gone mad and succumbed to his own megalomania ? If he does take the players over the cliff with him as he now appears ever-more intent on doing, then I fear that the consequences are going to be catastrophic. I know Joey that you’ve indicated the fact that we’ve been through this before back in 04-05 and that everything worked out in the end, etc. That’s true, yet something’s telling me that a lost season this time around is going to spell big trouble … not to mention the fact that it’s starting to be come upsetting now with hockey on Saturday night ! I suppose all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best, eh ?

      • blomfeld - Nov 24, 2012 at 11:01 PM

        meant to say … “upsetting now with “no” hockey on Saturday night” … sorry about that

      • id4joey - Nov 25, 2012 at 12:04 AM

        I agree that the consequences could be different. Back in 04-05 the game on the ice was broken. Plus, the game was in worse shape from a financial perspective. When the NHL resumed in 05 the game was faster, better, and more exciting. It was the beginning of a new brand of hockey. They will not have that effect this year. In 04-05 the ownership pushed hard to structure the financials of the game, whereas this time around its about numbers. So, I remain hopeful that we’ll have a season because of the fact that it is a numbers issue dividing both parties as opposed to a systemic one. Anyway, blomfeld, what is the worse that can happen?

      • thedavesiknowiknow - Nov 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM

        Is the game still fast and exciting? Could have fooled me.

      • blomfeld - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:40 AM

        Question: what is the worse that can happen?


        Joey – the worst could be the end of the NHL as we know it today … now I’ve no problem with 2-3 x “sunbelt” teams going by the wayside or being relocated back in “the Canada’s” where they belong … what scares me however, is that a protracted lockout might lead to a “contagion” whereby 10-15 x US teams go by the wayside …

      • blomfeld - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:58 AM

        “Is the game still fast and exciting?”

        thedavesiknowiknow – to that friend I would say “yes” and “no” … there’s no doubt that the game has improved over the past 7-8 years in terms of flow and excitement … however there’s still room for improvement, given all of the ridiculous “infraction” calls and such … nonetheless, I firmly believe that a huge improvement could be made by adopting the international rink dimensions …

      • id4joey - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:50 AM

        blomfeld, that’s it! dooms day is going to half the teams, and the remaining teams would be, Boston, New York Rangers, Detroit, Chicago, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Quebec, New Jersey, Colorado, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Ottawa. Sorry! LA didn’t make the cut just because we’re talking dooms day scenario.

        Take the best players from the teams we lost and spread the talent to the remaining teams. Can you imagine the awesome hockey we’d see? If this is the dooms day scenario, which I don’t believe will happen, then it’s not that bad. We survived a systemic failure of the financial markets (and i know many are struggling still), so I have no doubt we can handle fewer teams in the NHL. However, and sadly many people/players would loose their jobs.

        It’s in the best interest of all that these bozos on each side of the table come to terms, and the sooner the better. I may be naive, maybe I don’t believe for one minute we’ll lose another full season.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

        id4joey, I don’t know how you can talk about teams like Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Minnesota surviving a dooms day scenario and not include the Flyers. I know I’m biased and this is a complete hypothetical, but Philadelphia has one of the most loyal fan bases in the league. They are always tops in attendance, sell out every night, and are way more financially stable than Pittsburgh or Minnesota. The Penguins were about to leave town just a few years ago. The Flyers have one of the most stable owners in the entire league and there’s no way he would allow the franchise to fold.

      • id4joey - Nov 26, 2012 at 9:41 PM

        phillyfanatic7, my bad! Brain fart. You are absolutely correct! I can’t see a healthy NHL without the Flyers. One of my favorite teams. Sorry bro.

  5. bayafan - Nov 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    “And now NHL you will die.”

  6. bleed4philly - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    This is not going to end anytime soon, the players have to follow the other two leagues who also were locked out and concede. Arguing over #’s during a recession or economic downturn should always favor the owners, the players should have the upper hand with more to go around during economic boom/prosperity. The current recession has led to 3 lockouts and the first two went the owners’ way after scratching and clawing, I don’t see this ending any differently.

  7. BigBeachBall - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:54 AM

    If hockey ends forever, then LA will be the reigning champions forever…

    • blomfeld - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:03 AM

      hey man … that’s not a bad way of looking at it … :)

  8. sportsfan69 - Nov 25, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Blomfeld and ld4Joey,

    I concur, until the veteran leadership (players not the mega-millions) stand up and take a stand against the ill-advised path of destruction to the game of hockey that we all love, there will be NO games to play.

    The players maturity have been visibly painfully displayed with the expressed entitlement behavioral attitude. No common sense or reality to real life. Most of the mega-millionaires have limited education, so that it makes very hard for them comprehend the economics of the game. It’s very sad.

    • id4joey - Nov 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      I like Toews and Crosby, but they lack the maturity needed. You never bring a knife to a gun fight. They are too young to see or even feel the consequences of a cancelled season. However, the veteran players feel the pain a little more than these guys because their time is almost up. 240 players never played a game in the NHL after the 04/05 lockout. Ouch! I mean, players lose financially, and they are hurting their personal stats, and these guide take great pride in their accomplishments. So, I have hope…..

      • valoisvipers - Nov 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM

        Hey Joey how about Gordie Howe. He got a Red Wings jacket as his signing bonus. Lets put him in charge and we will have a deal tomorrow and hockey next week.

      • id4joey - Nov 26, 2012 at 7:50 AM

        You have my vote, valoisvipers. I would also nominate Ted Lindsay, who was instrumental in forming the first union.

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