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Ryan Miller thinks NHLPA should decertify

Nov 22, 2012, 9:39 PM EDT

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Are we entering a new chapter of the CBA negotiations? After the NHL rejected the NHLPA’s latest offer, Buffalo Sabres goaltender Ryan Miller thinks it’s time for the union to decertify.

“After watching the other sport leagues go through labour disputes last year, it is apparent that until decertification is filed, there will not be any real movement or negotiation,” Miller told The Globe and Mail. “Many things in our negotiation are very consistent with the NFL and NBA negotiations, and both of those leagues filed papers necessary to decertify.

“It seems like the players in any league are going to be subjected to the same scripted labour dispute developed by [NHL and NBA law firm] Proskauer Rose in all collective bargaining discussions now and in the future. Decertification becomes part of the script because Gary Bettman and the owners are trying to get a sense of how far they can push us and at some point we have to say ‘enough.’

“They want to see if we will take a bad deal because we get desperate or if we have the strength to push back. Decertification is a push back and should show we want a negotiation and a fair deal on at least some of our terms.”

The idea is that the players would be able to file an antitrust case against the NHL after the union is dissolved. That could make things far messier or it could be the push necessary to end this lockout.


Specter of decertification looms over lockout

  1. datsyukdominates - Nov 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Do it now! There is no point in waiting around for a bunch of greedy owners who are unwilling to participate in the process.

    • stangz11 - Nov 22, 2012 at 10:57 PM

      I really don’t think you can just place all the blame on the owners. Players are just as guilty, and decertification will only result in lawyers being brought to the process (and we all know how that’ll end up)

      • thedavesiknowiknow - Nov 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

        You’re way behind enemy lines. Stop being rational.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        In case you haven’t noticed there are already lawyers in the process. Including our great commissioner. I say decertify to provide some push back, because right now Bettman and owners will not concede an inch on any issue.

  2. datsyukdominates - Nov 22, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    It worked in the other leagues. They just need to get it over with already.

  3. blomfeld - Nov 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    “the same scripted labour dispute developed by [NHL and NBA law firm] Proskauer Rose ”

    Yeah ? So with all due respect Dadoun, just who here at PHT do you think was the first person to make that connection ? You got it Pontiac, our man Id4joey ! Anyway, this crap is so bloody “transparent” now that it’s almost embarrassing. Bettman is going to have his way here no doubt and we’ll probably see play under way shortly. Nonetheless, the leagues #4 has a great point with eventual decertification. It would mess things up “completely” for Bettman and friend, as the one thing wealthy pigs always dislike is “unpredictability” !

    ps: just in case you missed it previously …

    1) Jonathan Quick
    2) Cory Schneider
    3) Roberto Luongo
    4) Ryan Miller
    5) Carey Price

    29) Henrik Lundqvist
    30) Ilya Bryzgalov

    • id4joey - Nov 23, 2012 at 8:30 AM

      Thanks for the credit, blomfeld. There is more happening behind the scenes than one can begin to imagine.

    • valoisvipers - Nov 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM

      Blomfeld perhaps you or Joey could inform me and others like me that are ignorant to the decertification process. I must be wrong in my thinking that this would be a good thing.Would it mean that the owners would simple have to honor all existing contracts but the league would then be free to handle their business in any manner that they choose?

      • id4joey - Nov 23, 2012 at 6:13 PM

        valoisvipers, hey! Sorry for the late response. It was a horrible day work today. Ryan Dadoun has a great article on this topic. You probably say it. It would get messy, and I agree with Daly that it would lead to the cancellation of the season should the PA choose to go down this path. Federal CDN/US laws, then you have Provincial/State laws. A f in mess.

    • zetaone - Nov 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      In which world do you live where Carey Price is rank 5 and Lundqvist is 29?

      • blomfeld - Nov 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM

        In the world of Blomfeld ! :)

      • windmiller4 - Nov 23, 2012 at 6:18 PM

        This guy is a kings homer who doesn’t actually know about hockey, i think this little list of his just proves it

  4. jimw81 - Nov 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    what does goalie rankings have to with Decertification? as i said in the other thread,Decertification is worst thing owners want because a federal judge would probably force a federal mediation into the mix and the owners will lose big time. players have no other option at this point. since gary,bill and jeremy don’t want to negate with the players behind close doors.

    • blomfeld - Nov 22, 2012 at 11:59 PM

      Goalie rankings ? .. well that’s like “much ado about nothing” pal …

      @ Jimw81 – My goalie lists mean nothing, no different than my Elvis videos mean nothing and just like anything “you or I” say here means nothing … the bottom line is that “decertification” would be hilarious because that would scare the absolute bejesus out of these wealthy pricks who think they “know all that” … and I don’t know about you guys, but I personally love when things like that happen ! :)

      ps: by the way Jimw81 … I honestly can’t recall ever offering you an Elvis video ? … sorry man :)

  5. sampulls - Nov 23, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Miller is a donkey.

  6. woodstakes - Nov 23, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    As I agree that the NHLPA should decertify, does anyone know if there is any language that says they cannot do so if the current CBA has expired for a certain amount of time? Because in the NFLPA’s case there was language to that end which forced the NFLPA to make the move early. The reason I ask is if there is such language the players may not have a choice here but to wait if out until a certain amount of time expires. In the case of the NFLPA it was 6 months.


    “Why decertify now?”
    “Two reasons. First, the CBA barred the players from filing antitrust lawsuits against the league for six months after the deal expired. Second, in order to possibly keep legal proceedings under the jurisdiction of U.S. District Court Judge David Doty in Minneapolis, the union needed to decertify before the current CBA expired.”


  7. acieu - Nov 23, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    Which wealth pricks the players or the owners?

    • blomfeld - Nov 23, 2012 at 1:19 AM

      they’re “all” vermin friend !

  8. 69jaredallen69 - Nov 23, 2012 at 1:29 AM

    Billable hours for lawyers = economic stimulus

  9. mississippimudslinger - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:03 AM

    dumbfeld hasent been correct about anything he”s ever posted on here in his sad pathetic life

    • kitshky - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:07 AM

      Simmer down Mr. Appropriately Named…

    • valoisvipers - Nov 23, 2012 at 9:22 AM

      miss mud you are the one with the “sad pathetic life” now see if you can find a bigger rock to crawl back under.

    • zetaone - Nov 23, 2012 at 11:33 AM

      and all you do is spam your phrase of the day and copy and paste it into every story comment section.

  10. thedavesiknowiknow - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM

  11. sreske93 - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:24 AM

    Should’ve done this in July so I wouldn’t be stuck watching only basketball highlights and tebow coverage on sportscenter

  12. romasko - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:28 AM

    If the players truly cared about saving the season and keeping veteran players like teemu, jagr and hamrlik from retiring due to a lost season then they would file the decertification papers later today or during the weekend.

  13. buffalo65 - Nov 23, 2012 at 6:01 AM

    When the best goalie in the league speaks, everyone listens.

  14. hockeyfootball98 - Nov 23, 2012 at 7:49 AM

    The difference with the NFL and NBA Mr Miller is they actually had relative negotiations and are a much more relavant sport. Also they started the decertification much sooner, NFL missed 0 games and NBA missedvery few. This whole thing is a joke, good luck getting all that fan momentum back.

  15. icrew29 - Nov 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM

    It’s time for the NHLPA to go all in or fold. All in means decertify and fold Means accept the owners latest offer.

  16. dprouse - Nov 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    Decertification works fine for Ryan Miller – as a top shelf guy, he gets paid regardless, and in fact probably ends up with an even healthier salary. How about his backup, though? How would he fare in decertification?

    Decertification is the ultimate, “be careful what you wish for” prize. An “unplugged” NHL with no cap, no draft, unlimited free agency, etc., would very quickly be down to only 12 teams or so. We can pretty much name the teams now – Rangers, Flyers, Habs, Leafs, Hawks, Bruins, Canucks, Kings, etc. All other teams would either fold, or be in a Second Division of some kind, much like British Soccer. This second division would be a glorified AHL, basically. How much would players make there?

    This has the possibility of making a lot of money for guys like Crosby, Toews, Miller, etc.. It also has the possibility of drastically cutting the pay, or entirely eliminating jobs, for literally hundreds of NHLPA members. If Don Fehr is being forthright with his guys, he has to prepare them for the fact that someone might call their bluff on decertification, and that full decertification would have some very dire consequences for players as well as owners.

  17. majbobby - Nov 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    At least Miller is a good Union Member and not making cash overseas saying hey all you non superstars toe the line for us so we can come
    Back and continue to make 6 times as much as you.

  18. timmons94 - Nov 23, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    The most overrated goalie in hockey has spoken

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