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CBA meeting kicks off with low expectations

Nov 19, 2012, 7:04 PM EDT

Fehr and Bettman AP

The NHL and NHLPA’s Monday meeting is kicking off around 7 pm ET, various sources report.

The bad news is that the players aren’t expected to present a new proposal, according to Chris Johnston of The Canadian Press. Instead, Johnston reports that they hope to talk about economics and contracting issues.

There’s no word on how long the meeting is expected to run. (TSN’s Darren Dreger believes a short meeting would be a bad sign, though.)

Despite those low expectations, it sounds like the turnout will be solid.

The NHLPA notes that these 18 players are involved: Craig Adams, David Backes, Eric Brewer, Ryan Callahan, Dan Cleary, Mathieu Darche, Marian Gaborik, Josh Gorges, Ron Hainsey, Jeff Halpern, Shawn Horcoff, Vincent Lecavalier, Andy McDonald, Brooks Orpik, Brad Richards, Marc Staal, Martin St. Louis and Dan Winnik.

Gary Bettman, Bill Daly, Bob Batterman, Jeremy Jacobs, Ted Leonsis, Murray Edwards and Brian Burke will be in attendance on the owners’ side, according to Minnesota Star Tribune’s Michael Russo.

Stay tuned for more, whether the talks are lengthy or short.

  1. jimw81 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    i got dibs on 30 mins and it’s over since jacobs is going to be in the room.

  2. firemarshal1 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    I say they cancel the season. Teach the players a lesson. That this is a business, not charity for them. If I hear another player cry me a river, Mr. White. I will throw up. Ryan Callahan explain to the group of players the facts of life. Otherwise you will not have a hockey season.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM

      I haven’t heard the players asking fro any charity. They have a right to be pissed, but being pissed won’t get them a better deal. Cut your losses and play some games.

      • mpg44 - Nov 19, 2012 at 9:10 PM

        Full pay for half a season is not charity??

  3. mississippimudslinger - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    You’re wasting everybody’s time NHL , go away already and solve this over the Summer, it’s over now anyways .

  4. ludacrish05 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Depressed fan

  5. ludacrish05 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    They make more money then me in a week then what I make in a year and they think they’re the ones with money problems

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:55 PM

      This. It’s not about the money, it’s about principle. If you have a job you expect your employer to honour the contract you two have entered into. I can understand the players’ frustration in this regard.

      That being said, I have a feeling the NHL has proposed its best offer and the players will have to take it sooner or later. It’s disappointing they continue to opt for ‘later.’

      Both sides are making a mess of this beyond what I had ever thought possible in September.

      • id4joey - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM

        My employer? In the US it’s employment at will. No principle or honor there buddy.

      • stakex - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM

        I don’t get the players frustration with that at all.

        When they sign said contract, they know that it might be adjusted if the CBA changes. All contracts are based on the players share of HRR, and if that share changes so does the contract. It should come as no suprise or shock to the players.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM

        Good thing I live in the socialist haven of Canada.

      • mpg44 - Nov 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

        @stakex …. Well played . But the reason is how else would expect a whinny child to act!!

      • id4joey - Nov 20, 2012 at 5:44 AM

        Good for you, 1943 But keep in mind what our fellow commenter blomfeld wrote, Please remember that this impasse is being driven by certain US owners, not Canadian based ownership.

  6. rainyday56 - Nov 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    The major bargaining is done.

    Puck drops Dec 3.

    • stain67 - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

      I don’t agree.
      Players are continuing to sign European deals everyday. If the puck was dropping on Dec 3 rd, these guys would not be making these deals.

  7. blomfeld - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM


    Despite the fact that most of you here are “full-fare” paying passengers on the express train of “doom and gloom” which is hurtling toward to misery, I’ve chosen to remain on the platform and wait it out until the “train of hope” arrives to the station. And if I’m not mistaken, then I’d swear to you friends that I just heard a faint whistle from an approaching train from just beyond the bend ? Could something now be happening with tonight’s meetings ? Could this finally mark the beginning of the end ? … or better yet, the end of the end ? Guess we’ll see pretty soon eh ? Let’s keep our fingers crossed ! :)

    • millertime30 - Nov 19, 2012 at 9:53 PM

  8. chrisvegas - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    This is what the Owners wanted.

    • stakex - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM

      Yes, because the ones who actually do make money enjoy losing it.

      Seriously, the level of stupidity among some of the hockey fans I’ve seen is laughable. None of the owners “wanted” a lockout. Sure some teams, in fact quite a few teams, are saving money during the lockout…. but half of them are also losing a ton of money. A lockout is good for no one, other then perhaps Fehr.

      • blomfeld - Nov 19, 2012 at 9:07 PM

        Stakex – No question that you know the game friend and how it works, etc … but on this one you’re wrong ! October and November have “intentionally” been eliminated from the schedule, no two ways about it. This was made clearly evident by the “apparent” need to finally start discussions during the week of Nov 5 -10. That being said, I suspect that Bettman and crew have since run into some “unexpected” headwinds in the form of a headstrong Fehr ? Nonetheless, I can’t see them not having their way and not salvaging at least a partial season ? My hope at this point is that we get a 60 game “plus” schedule and not some “watered-down” 48 game crap ! Please remember that this impasse is being driven by certain US owners, not Canadian based ownership.

      • tatdue - Nov 20, 2012 at 9:53 AM

        You keep spewing this crap but it is nonsense……Fehr gains nothing from this lock out continuing since as long as the players continue to be locked out he does not get paid. And since there haven’t been any concessions by the owners, and the players haven’t asked for anything new, other than increased revenue sharing between the owners, it’s pretty simple to see that the ONLY people to gain anything from this lock out are the OWNERS! Some of which, as blom has stated, are saving money as we speak. But I also have to argue a little with blom as well because this isn’t a US/Canada ownership thing as you say because Calgary owner, Murray Edwards, has been up to his eyes with this thing from the beginning……

      • blomfeld - Nov 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM

        “because Calgary owner, Murray Edwards, has been up to his eyes with this thing from the beginning” …

        Tatdue – That my friend is a “very” interesting point ? 😉

  9. atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    I see the name Bob Batterman on the meeting list and I realize immediately that this meeting will lead to nothing. Batterman’s claim to fame is that he’s the guy who “designed” the NHL’s “winning” lockout in 04-05, like with the nfl the deal won’t get done until you get rid of the lawyers. Why not Bettman and 2 owners meeting with Fehr and 2 players? And even then get rid of Bettman and Fehr in the equation.

  10. jaybertx - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    The players have baked their last Twinkie. Or have they….

  11. antkowiak666 - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:40 PM


  12. bricktop02 - Nov 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    It’s over Jonny it’s over….

  13. mississippimudslinger - Nov 19, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    nah han nah nah
    nah nah nah nah
    hey hey hey

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