Comments on: Columnist has “little optimism” about Monday’s meeting

By: id4joey

id4joey — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:51:15 +0000

Motivation.. Say you’re Brandon Prust, and you scored 5 goals last year, yet you will be paid 2.5mill to PLAY a game. What else does he need to be motivated?

By: id4joey

id4joey — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:48:12 +0000

Yep! Makes you wonder, valoisvipers

By: id4joey

id4joey — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:45:44 +0000

And why did the rangers value increase?

By: blomfeld

blomfeld — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:21:02 +0000

please see my remarks above friend …

By: blomfeld

blomfeld — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:19:29 +0000

CASH FLOW is the measure ? …

Yes and no friend. If you’re looking at a team as a “stand alone” business entity then yes, “positive” cash flow is critical. Conversely, if you’re looking at a team as just a tool for “tax shield” or “write off” purposes then no, “positive” cash flow is not critical … in fact it’s not even desired. And I would submit that there are several teams in the league today who fall in the category of the latter.

By: valoisvipers

valoisvipers — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:02:13 +0000

id4joey Great post but is beyond me how at this point you have 20 thumbs down and all you did was post the facts and figures.

By: msg372

msg372 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:59:27 +0000

Good question.. my initial reaction is minimal relevance Values are just made up numbers..who the heck knows what someone would actually pay for these teams, look at Phoenix. How much a team generates every year is a real number to negotiate off.

By: id4joey

id4joey — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:14:49 +0000

msg372, are saying the increase in value of franchises is an irrelevant data point?

By: msg372

msg372 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:40:41 +0000

These are headline grabbing numbers, not the truth. The Canadian teams jumped so much beause of the value of the Canadian Dollar has gone up 20 some percent. That is highly unlikely to continue. Also, Team values is not a good measure. CASH FLOW is the measure… which none of us know. Teams aren’t going to borrow against their equity to pay players. That is stupid.

By: dyrdom77

dyrdom77 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:36:02 +0000

i agree 120%

By: valoisvipers

valoisvipers — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:32:59 +0000

I totally agree with you Somekat, the PA must come in today with a real offer which would make it their first as to date it’s been hard for Gary to negotiate with himself. For the good of the game and the health of the league it has to be the players that cave.

By: somekat

somekat — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:31:02 +0000

Like I said, this will show how full of crap the players are. The NHL wanted to put talks on hold for a reason. They submitted their best offer, the players weren’t budging, so there was no reason to meet if niether side was willing to move. The NHLPA asked for this meeting, so if they don’t have something substantial to bring to the table tomorrow, they are more interested in winning the PR battle than getting a deal done.

This has been my suspicion all along, it’s Fehr’s “negotiation” strategy. Delay, run a PR campaign, delay some more, do more PR, rinse and repeat until the owners cave. Just won’t work like it did against MLB, because in MLB, the majority of the teams were not making less money than their highest paid player.

By: blomfeld

blomfeld — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:21:43 +0000

“Montag wird wichtig sein !”

Yes friends, Monday is indeed going to be an “important” day. And if my old friend Stransky is correct, then tomorrow may bear witness to not only the “beginning” of the end, but the “end” of the end as well ! The pessimism of this columnist John Shannon above, is typical of the bourgeois “apathy and weakness” which permeates mainstream media today. His lame remarks equate to nothing short of “irrelevant” jetsam ! And that’s a shame, as one expects so much more from a person speaking from his advantageous position. Nonetheless, something is definitely afoot here and I’m not going to be the least bit surprised, if the general mood here at PHT changes “dramatically” over the next 48 hours or so …

By: rainyday56

rainyday56 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:58:46 +0000

Monday: crossing t’s and dotting i’s.

Dec 3: begin season.

By: mississippimudslinger

mississippimudslinger — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:19:12 +0000

Can you imagine what an embarrassment and the fall back it’s going to be if they do resolve this ?? half empty arenas , players with no motivation , lost fan bases … face it the sport too it’s final shot to the chops this time .. it’s effed!

By: bcjim

bcjim — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:02:04 +0000

Indeed, the owners realize that they have reached the dregs, they cannot keep increasing beer prices to sign ridiculous contracts. If beer goes up one more dollar, I will not buy one. As it is, I buy ONE, maybe.

INstead of the beer going up, the salaries need to go DOWN.

By: footballer4ever

footballer4ever — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 02:01:37 +0000

Would the powers that be have some dignity and spare the misery some of its fans are going thru by simply cancelling the season already. Only then any talks resulta will be worth writing/reading about.
Thank you.

By: atwatercrushesokoye

atwatercrushesokoye — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:59:51 +0000

John Shannon is very close to the NHL (he worked for them) he’s good friends with Daly and Bettman, one just needs to hear him for 5 minutes on Prime Time Sports to understand this. His article is just more of the rhetoric from the NHL.

By: id4joey

id4joey — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:40:51 +0000

Well. One doesn’t have to be a mathematician to be able to read or write. Perhaps missi should read something other than the lingerie section of the Sears catalogue.

As for the data, you can find it on Forbes.com. Go figure, even if your not a mathematician.

By: sportsfan69

sportsfan69 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:26:48 +0000

Unless the NHLPA realize they will not get paid for a full season, as reported in Mike Russo’s article. The NHL owners should cancel the season. Let the players lost a year salary, then maybe and only maybe the players realize they are unreasonable in their demands. Welcome to the real world. The NFLPA and NBAPA were mature and smart enough to realize this is a business and not an entitlement program.

By: mississippimudslinger

mississippimudslinger — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 01:11:36 +0000

Blomfeld what’s it like to be the laughing stock of this site? it’s so obvious that you create multiple accounts to have ongoing conversations back and forth with yourself , we’re all onto it here , you cant hide tubby . your drivel is boring at this point. Knowing that you’ll post a youtube video for your only comeback is amusing to say the least you’re a one trick pony that cant stop his tied act.

By: blomfeld

blomfeld — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:48:33 +0000

get lost you irrelevant flotsam !

By: blomfeld

blomfeld — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:46:36 +0000

Id4joey – That’s a terrific analysis friend which underscores “that” which only the blind are unable to see today … Bettman does care about a “healthy and profitable” NHL ! And like you, I’m also convinced that we will have a season and that all will be well in the end !

Yes, Bettman does care …

By: mississippimudslinger

mississippimudslinger — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:06:56 +0000

id4joey, you’re the furthest thing from a mathematician, quit trying to act like one.

By: 1943mrmojorisin1971

1943mrmojorisin1971 — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:54:23 +0000

What could possibly have led him to that conclusion?

By: id4joey

id4joey — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:45:17 +0000

Read the facts below and then ask yourself, 1) who is responsible for the increase in value? A: Gary Bettman 2) Who has to cave in now to resolve this conflict? A: Players.

Prior to the 2004-05 lockout, the average NHL franchise was worth $163.3 million.

The three most valuable teams were:

New York Rangers – $282.0 million
Toronto Maple Leafs – $280.0 million
Philadelphia Flyers – $264.0 million

The three least valuable teams were:

Carolina Hurricanes – $100.0 million
Pittsburgh Penguins – $101.0 million
Buffalo Sabres – $103.0 million

Fast forward to current day. According to Forbes, the average NHL franchise is valued at $239.83 million, based on the numbers generated from the 2010-2011 season. This means that the average NHL franchise has increased nearly 47% in seven years. This appreciation has easily outpaced the rate of inflation ($1 of 2003 dollars is worth about $1.20 now).

Let’s look at the three most valuable franchises at present:

Toronto Maple Leafs, $521 million
New York Rangers, $507 million
Montreal Canadiens, $445 million

The Maple Leafs have increased 86.0% in value since before the 2004-05 lockout, while the Rangers have increased 80% and the Canadiens have increased a whopping 128.2%.

The three least valuable franchises present day are:

Phoenix Coyotes, $134 million
New York Islanders, $149 million
Columbus Blue Jackets, $152 million