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Bill Daly “more discouraged now” than ever

Nov 15, 2012, 2:46 PM EDT

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NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly is “more discouraged now” than he’s ever been during the CBA negotiations, according to an email he sent the Canadian Press on Thursday.

He’s not wrong to be.

With no further talks between the league and players planned, communication between the two sides has reportedly been cut off entirely.

The NHL has said it’s done making proposals. Meanwhile, neither side has expressed a willingness to budge on player contracting issues.

On Wednesday, it was reported that if a deal isn’t struck in the next week, games will be canceled through Dec. 15.

The next step could be wiping out the entire season.

Fortunately, that bridge hasn’t been crossed yet and there’s still time to get back to the bargaining table.

But clearly the NHL wants the players to know that time is running out.

  1. chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Daly should spend less time crying to the media and more time working on a deal that will satisfy both sides. Man all the owners do is cry to the fans and media when because they aren’t getting their way. These owners are a disgrace. They don’t care about the fans and they don’t care about the sport of hockey as they are willing to destroy this leagues reputation just make a few extra bucks while they are making record revenue. The owners spend more time crying then negotiating. The owners are trying to make the players pay for their horrible ideas of starting franchises in bad markets. You shouldn’t start a team in a market that can’t afford it. Move the franchises and leave the players alone. They didn’t make these bad decisions, the owners did. I despise the owners for not taking responsibility for their poor decisions. Unfortunately the fans are the ones who have to pay.

    • mpg44 - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      Apparently the players don’t care either . Since they are not willing to budge either. They are both pathetic and full of you know what.

      • ThatGuy - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

        The players are making enormous concessions no matter how it turns out and have budged a hell of a lot.

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

        You are wrong mpg44. The players have agreed to move to a 50-50 split. Think about it. 3 lockouts in 20 years, what is the constant? The constant is the owners and bettman. Isn’t the same players from 20 years ago or even 10 for the most part. The problem is the OWNERS.

      • thebigeasy2002 - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

        @mpg33 – If your employer made record profits several years in a row and came to you and said “you need to take a pay-cut” when you had just done so 7 years ago, how would you feel? 7 years ago it made sense because your company had financial problems, this time around your company is thriving. However your company wants you take take a pay-cut because they are trying to make the employees pay for a few bad investments that they made. Chrisvegas is correct because the owners made a few bad decisions on franchises in cities like PHX. They want to make the money up from the players and they know many of the fans are dumb enough to support them.

      • somekat - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        @thebigeasy2002

        If my employer payed me based on the income of the company, and NOT the set amount on my contract, which is the case in the NHL I would think about it. When I looked around and saw that I make 7% more than the highest paid athletes in the country (the NBA gets 50%, NFL and MLB do not), while generating less revenue than any of them, it would make sense.

        If the league makes more, they make more. They do NOT make the amount on their contract. They make a certain percentage of the players overall share based on the amount of their contract. So you can’t compare if to YOUR job, you have to compare it to similar jobs. As far as simlar jobs, they are the highest paid, and bring in the lowest revenue.

        Your arguement only makes sense if you don’t understand the situation

      • somekat - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        The players ALREADY PAY FOR THE BAD INVESTMENTS

        I don’t see what is so hard to understand. Players get paid 57% of income (not profits, income). They get 57% regardless. If they make a billion, the players get 570million. If htey make 10 billion, the players get 5.7 billion. It is a percentage, NOT AN AMOUNT. The money then gets divided up to the players based on whatt their contract would represnt, with ALL salaries added together of that share.

        This is based on percentage, not amounts. The HIGHEST paid outside of the NHL of the 4 major sports is the NBA. They get 50%. The NFL and MLB are under 40%. All 3 of those sports bring in vastly more money than the NHL. Why should the NHL players make so much more?

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM

        @somekat – You are lumping the 100’s of players into one person and acting like one person is making 57% of the league’s revenue. Your example is very poor and doesn’t make an accurate comparison to what is happening. Also yes the NFL brings in much more revenue, so 40% of the NFL’s revenue is much more than 57% of the NHL’s revenue. To compare the leagues in this manner is foolish. Not to mention the NFL only plays 16 games a year while hockey is 82 a season. Furthermore the players are willing to move to a 50-50 split if the current contracts are honored. Not to mention the NHL has vastly increased their revenue. Also keep in mind that 7 years ago this was the deal that the owners demanded. I supported the owners back then because there were real financial issues, this time the revenue is up and the Owners are in the wrong. The players are willing to give a better deal than they did last lockout, but they aren’t willing to get ripped off or to allow the owners to not honor their current contracts. The owners want the players to pay for the loss of franchises in poor markets when it was the Owners mistake. The owners are in the wrong. Why is it billionaires always want someone else to pay for their mistakes? Because people like you buy into it.

      • ThatGuy - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        Well your wrong on the NFL. They are not under 40%. In the NFL Players get between 47%-48.5% of all revenue, down about 4% from previous deal. Owners no longer take $1 billion off the top. Previously, players received 59.6% after $1 billion credit.

        You are also wrong for baseball. Baseball varies year to year because it is not a set percentage of revenue. Players are paid what their contract states. But in 2011 MLB players took home 51% of all Revenues(http://mlb.mlb.com/news/print.jsp?ymd=20110114&content_id=16441712&c_id=mlb).

        They’ve agreed on a 50/50 split, if the Owners weren’t trying to take away or rollback every other contract right players had this would be solved already.

      • hockeyflow33 - Nov 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM

        Are you not following this at all?

      • mpg44 - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM

        Yea , cause wanting full 82 game season pay for a diluted pathetic reduced season is really a concession.

    • somekat - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

      I said it the day the owners put up a reasonable offer at 50-50 split, with provisions to make whole current contracts, and Fehr acted like it was a slap in the face, there will be no hockey this year, and it will be because of Fehr.

      Fehr and the NHLPA have’t put one serious proposal out there yet. Just a trifecta of crap they wrote up and didn’t even bother to see how the numbers worked out. Meanwhile the owners have put up half a dozen, just to get “not good enough” and no counter proposal.

      Why shouldn’t he be frustrated? Why shouldn’t he complain about it. The owners have been negotiating agasint themselves the entire time, and to hear Fehr, the players, and most of the media tell it, the NHLPA has offered everything but the players first born son, and just want to play hockey.When in reality, they have offered NOTHING, they haven’t even put up a single realistic proposal.

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM

        The owners haven’t put up a reasonable offer. The owners don’t care about the fans. The owners could have allowed this season to play out under last year’s rules and continued to negotiate. The owners are trying to get out of paying the current contracts that they signed just this past summer. The owners want the players to take huge unnecessary pay-cuts while they just tripled their TV revenue and have had 7 years of record profits. Why should the players take a big pay-cut when the NHL is thriving? The Owners made bad decisions in putting several franchises in bad markets and they want the players to pay for those mistakes. The players’ offers were more than fair as they did agree to take cuts as long as their current contracts were honored. Why shouldn’t the owners be held accountable to their mistakes and to the contracts that they signed as recent as August of this year. If you sign a contract that you never intended to pay that is considered fraud. The owners on the other hand can get away with it because they are billionaires. The owners caused 3 lockouts in 20 years with different generations of players. The problem is and always has been the Owners. The owners won the lockout situation in 07 and now they feel they can bully and cheat the players at the fans expense. No I won’t side with the billionaire owners. After seeing billionaires in my own country get bailed out at the average tax payer’s expense while good honest people suffer and lose their homes. Why is it the billionaires are always the ones who get bailed out of their mistakes and bad decisions? The average man is held accountable for his bad decisions. This is on the owners, not the players. Your attitude sir is why Americans were able to get robbed having to fund the bailouts to Wall Street.

      • somekat - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        Read the above comments.

        NHL players do not get paid the amount on their contracts, they get paid a share of the players percentage based on that amount. THEY ALREADY PAY FOR THE OWNERS MISTAKES

        If player salaries add up to 570 million dollars, and the league to make 1 billion, and the league actually makes 1 billion, they get their contracts at fact value. If the league only makes 500 million, they only get half of contract. If the league makes 2 billion, they get double the contract. THEY MAKE A PERCENTAGE, NOT A SET AMOUNT

        Now that you hopefully understand that, they make vastly more than the next highest paid players in their situation (NBA gets 50, 7 % of income, or 14% salary), while making vastly less profits compared to that league. The scale gets even better from the players perspective, and worse from the owners, if you include MLB and NFL.

        The players never offered a 50-50 split, they admitted themselves “they never ran the numbers” 2 of those deals could of reasonably wound up paying players 65% in years 3 and 4. Those aren’t offers, they are time killers

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:39 PM

        @somekat – You cannot compare this to the NBA. There are way less players on a NBA team the on a hockey team. The average NBA player makes MUCH MUCH more than the average NHL player. The average NBA player makes $5.5 Million! The average NHL player’s salary is 2.4 Million. Also most NHL players don’t make $2.4 million; half of the team is 3rd and 4th line players who make under a Million a year. Your comparison is severely flawed.

      • thebigeasy2002 - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        @somekat – Bettman is that you?

      • mpg44 - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM

        Well thanks to both sides the NHL is thriving no more!!

    • msg372 - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

      Saying players are paying the price for the NHL expanding into small markets is asinine. Yes, a few hundred players that would not have had jobs if they didn’t expand are paying the price. A unions job is to have the most jobs, at the highest possible salary. Not less jobs at the highest possible salary.

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM

        Read it and weep:
        “But neither are the players amused at this full frontal, particularly when the reason given for this whole lockout is that there are 10 teams in the league still losing money despite the fact revenues have soared over the term of the last agreement.”
        “NHL wants the players to pay for its mistakes
        Over-expansion, poor locations prime reasons some teams lose cash”

        http://www.theprovince.com/sports/wants+players+mistakes/7495700/story.html#axzz2CKjveMNf

      • joeb2 - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM

        @chrisvegas,
        here is an article by Forbes that researched the NHL and estimbated that 18 team lost money in the 2010/11 season.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/09/18/nhl-lockout-is-all-about-the-benjamins-and-who-doesnt-have-them/

        So, the majority of the owners are actually making money by not playing under the current system. Cant blame the owners for not wanting to lose money.

        I do no think that owners should own teams to make money, but I do believe they should not be losing money. Both sides are to blame and both sides need to compromise for a solution. The sad part is the fans are the biggest losers. My proposal is to give Owners 40%, Players 40%, and give back 20% of revenue to fans by lowering ticket prices for everyone!

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

        @joeb2 – Cmon they have record revenue. You don’t actually buy that 18 teams are losing money? I could except that 8-10 are which are in bad markets. Take that Forbes article with a grain of salt for these reasons:

        “The problem is that NHL teams are run as private businesses and private businesses don’t release their financials for review. Forbes builds their data off what they can gather off publicly available data, but that data is extremely sensitive to Hollywood accounting. For instance, last year, the Colorado Avalanche reported $7M more in gate receipts than the Florida Panthers, despite the Panthers drawing 1,100 more fans per game and having a higher average ticket price.

        The Truth: Sadly, only the league, and possibly the players know the truth. Did the Panthers lose money? Yeah, probably. Did the Capitals lose more money than the Panthers? Probably not. Did the Sharks lose more than both of them? Come on now. Part of the reason for the Panthers’ gate receipts being so low is that their lease agreement leaves nothing to the team for luxury box sales. Of course, the Panthers lease their arena from a company owned by the same company that owns them, but Forbes doesn’t count that.”

      • chrisvegas - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

        @joeb2 – Here is the link to the article I quotes

        http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2012/9/30/3427436/misconceptions

      • joeb2 - Nov 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

        @chrisvegas,
        I’m sorry, but I’ll stick with Forbes rather than a blogger for accurate information until further evidence is presented. It is clear that one o0f the blogger’s justification which was avg ticket price and attendance didnt match up for a couple of teams – but what he failed to account for is some of the Premium seating and one of the most significant sources of ticket revenue, the Luxury Suites. While i’m not saying that Forbes is infallible, I do think they are infinitely more reliable than just a blogger here.
        As for teams like the Sharks losing money – you need to take into account other revenue sources, such as local TV revenue. The Sharks get a fraction of the TV revenue that many of the teams get. They also have a very large payroll.
        I’m not here to say the Owners are right and the Players are wrong – but I disagree that you can point the finger more at one side or another. They both need to come to some compromise agreement. Further, neither side takes into account the Fans – who have been the ultimate losers not only this season but over the years as the ticket prices have skyrocketed so much that it is getting incredibly hard to afford to take a family out to a game.

    • lennydpocketqb - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

      R.I.P. Hockey.

  2. flyeredup - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Great News! Cancel the next 3 seasons.

  3. atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    I used to like Bill Daly but I’m getting sick of his daily diary entries to the media, I don’t care if you’re discouraged, get a deal done, or don’t, but either way shut up!

  4. psr179 - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    The NHL is beyond foolish. The players, obviously, can go play in other leagues and still get paid. However, the owners are making a very small percentage of what they normally would be making if games were being played. I know these owners have more money than any normal person can imagine but if they keep trying to drive such a hardline, they’re going to lose a lot of customers.

    • travishenryskid - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:42 PM

      Most players can’t go play in other leagues. And the ones who can, are making virtually nothing compared to what they would have made even on the owners first proposal, not to mention all of the amenities that come with playing in the NHL. The owners ALWAYS hold the leverage.

      • woodstakes - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM

        Your wrong if you think there is no where for other players to go play. First off, the ONLY reason the guys playing overseas now don’t make as much or more right now is because of a mandate that stated they could only be paid at a certain % of their current NHL salaries. IF the NHL said “Fine, we are going with replacements…” all those mandates would fall to the side. Now you’d see the KHL drop the limit on amount of NHL’ers allowed on teams, drop salary %… they’d kick open the door for these guys. If you think these guys can’t get paid… YOUR WRONG!! Look at what the KHL offered Semin $10 Million to play there on a MULTI year contract.. $6 Million here for 1 year. You don’t think the Parise’s, Weber’s, Nash’s, Crosby’s, Malkin’s and the like wouldn’t get offered at the VERY least what they offered to Alexander Semin?? Yeah, right!!

        As for ‘most players’, a 3rd line player in the NHL is as good or probably better than 90% of 1st liners on any KHL/European team. You don’t think they would make room for those guys?? Your WRONG!! The 4th line NHL’ers would be scraping by somewhere just like they are in the NHL, probably ending up staying in the NHL as 1st liners. Boy, wouldn’t that be AWESOME! (dripping with sarcasm in case you missed it)

        So the owners have all the leverage “ALWAYS”? Hmmm, well you tell me what are you going to pay to go to NHL games when they are all low level AHL talent? ECHL talent? Kicked out KHL talent?? Your going to pay NHL prices for low level talent when all the big boys are overseas??? I bet not! You going to pay for a NHL Centre Ice package?? I’m NOT! Is NBC going to keep that TV contract?? I doubt it, when all the sponsors see all the big boys overseas they aren’t going to pay for advertising! So, yes the owners have more money and can hold out longer. But the NHL is NOT the product… the players are the product! You cannot just put anybody in the current NHL sweaters and think your going to make $3.3 Billion in revenue’s. Because, its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!

      • hockeyflow33 - Nov 15, 2012 at 5:37 PM

        Division 3 college players can easily play overseas, you’re completely misinformed if you think any NHLer couldn’t play overseas

  5. timmons94 - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    My directv bill is lower. No NHL center ice. Might never renew again. When fehr got involved… Is anyone really shocked. The guy is a pathetic piece of work

    • elvispocomo - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      So you just had DirectTV before so you had more opportunity to boo Bettman at any of the games he showed up to? He’s been the one leading the charge for the owners since 1993, so clearly it’s not all on Fehr.

  6. bcjim - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    The owners are providing a real f-u take it or leave it situation.

    However, what choice do the players have?

    Its too bad for the rank and file that the stars can go do their thing elsewhere and not worry about $$.

    I cant imagine what some of these average NHLers make playing in things like the “german 2nd league” or whatever?

    Free bier and sauerkraut buffet after the game?

    • ibieiniid - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

      if there’s one thing i’ve learned, it’s don’t underestimate free beer…. or bier in this case.

    • somekat - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      This is the sentiment that makes no sense to me, and frankly, make me question people’s intelligence. How are the owners providing a “real f-u”? The owners put out one terrible offer that everyone knew would be rejected (Do you think it’s a coincidence that the owners percentage would of been EXACTLY what the players get now?). Since then, they moved to 50-50 (just as high as the next highest paid in the country), and kept moving on other issues in proposals since then.

      The NHLPA on the other hand, came in one time with 3 “offers”, that they themselves didn’t even take the time to figure out what the money would work out to. There were situations in those “proposals” that would of wound up with players getting 65%. Then to say “we didn’t have time to run the numbers”, seriously? A law student wouldn’t do that, you’ll telling me the NHLPA did?

      The owners, since that insult, have made multiple concessions, while the PA has budged on nothing. Why would the owners keep bidding against tehmselves? If they keep making concessions, and just get “no, not good enough”, and not even a counter offer, why keep making them? They would need to be idiots to do so. At this point, this is 100% on the players and the union. If you don’t see that at this point, you pay no attention to what is actually happening, and just want to be pro-union

      • thebigeasy2002 - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        Simple. Every time negotiations don’t go exactly the way the owners want they run to the media and cry. The players made 3 counter offers and the owners could have taken one of those offers and made another counter. Instead they cut off talks and whined to the media. The players are right in this, the owners are wrong.

      • ThatGuy - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        “The owners, since that insult, have made multiple concessions, while the PA has budged on nothing. Why would the owners keep bidding against tehmselves?”

        Here is the part your not getting, The Owners have not made one SINGLE concession. There is not one thing in their proposed CBA that favors the players over the current CBA. Their latest proposals have made the players concede a little bit less than their original proposals. Thats not a concession on the part of the owners though.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Well I would point out the players are getting nothing but rollbacks from whatever deal is finally agreed upon, take a minute to think about that they’re asking for NOTHING, they’re just trying to minimize how much the rollbacks will be.

        So the “concessions” that you’re talking about the owners making are really just smaller rollbacks, kind of hard to side with the owners when they’re whining that the players won’t just accept what they want to give them.

      • bcjim - Nov 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        Well actually, somekat, Im on the owners side. Not really on their side, I don;t really care who wins or loses here, I just want some hockey. I just think the owners are holding all the cards and the players are just delaying the inevitable.

        I think its been amateur hour on both sides in terms of how to run a negotiation.

      • Doesnotmatter - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:09 PM

        @somekat

        Gary? Aren’t you supposed to be working on this whole new CBA mess?

      • valoisvipers - Nov 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

        Somekat I agree with all your post but it’s seem your voice of reason is falling on deaf ears. I think our site has been invaded by idiots from the tsn site.

  7. sippindasyzurp - Nov 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Hah I totally forgot about the NHL until I came across this article.. It looks like I am not missing anything

  8. sportsfan69 - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Since the players are free to play in Europe, bring in the replacements. It’s a free market. The NHLPA is ALL about free market and competition. As a fan, let the players stand on their financial issue. I don’t care if the players don’t like it. Nobody is forcing them to be uncompromising. Oh, I’m only making 4 million instead of 5 million dollars. Hum, what’s wrong with this thinking. There’s NO common sense. Take the emotions and pride out of the equation. Then, you have a deal completed. Please think and act like mature adults. This is a business Boys. Understand it or you will lose an entire season salary forever. .??.?.???.??

    • ThatGuy - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:26 PM

      Is it any different than the owners saying “Oh we are only making 1.6 billion as opposed to 1.9 billion?

    • ibieiniid - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:27 PM

      why would replacement players in the NHL be any better than watching whatever league plays close to you? it’s gonna be no more fun watching some random dudes wearing say, Capitals jerseys than it would be to go watch a game in Hershey of guys that are actually in the Caps system.

      only point here is that replacement players wouldn’t even be worth it.

  9. capsrockva - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Please for the fans sake get the dam deal done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. katra2logic - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Quit screwing with the players (and us fans ) and get a deal done Daly, Bettman.

  11. smgraff4 - Nov 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    The NHL does NOT understand that hockey is an international sport, and not a sport like Canadian football which is pretty much only played in Canada. Regardless of what happens you have to market your league and make deals such that the best hockey players in the world come play in your country AND for your team. The NHL could become what soccer is in North America, in which the best players–the Crosbys, the Patrick Kanes, Claude Giroux, Jonathan Quicks, Johnathan Toewses, the Shea Webers and Ryan Suters, the Joe Thorntons, the Pierre Bergerons, the Mike Greens, Brooks Laichs, Ryan Murrays, etc.–have their eyes set on playing hockey in Sweden, Switzerland, or in the KHL, rather than having long careers in the USA/Canada and only come back to finish their careers.

    The NHL needs to grow up to this fact that if the owners keep playing hardball, the direction of where talent wants to go will leave the NHL as a feeder league with the best players leaving as soon as they become good. And if it continues to play hardball, it needs to set itself up to be a feeder league–with clubs being allowed to develop their own players in academies/hockey schools, and refocus energy exclusively around developing players and developing a legacy based on player development alone. (This goes for the big teams like the Habs, Bruins, Leafs, Rangers, Flyers, Caps, Red Wings, etc.)

    The Stanley Cup also does not have to be tied to the playoff champion of the NHL–and if the NHL continues to play this kind of hardball, the Cup trustees may decide that another league is more worthy of the Cup.

    Long story short, the NHL–Bill Daly, Gary Bettman, and the owners that are playing hardball–need to wake up to the fact that ice hockey is an international sport. If the players that make the product the way it is decide to pick up and leave, and another league like the KHL becomes a destination league for North American players (American or Canadian). With players constantly leaving, you could see the league devolve into something like the Argentine Primera Division (in soccer), where teams refused (and still refuse) to pay their top players (and major European teams could offer a lot more money, in terms of salaries to players and transfer fees to clubs). Once players started leaving, ultra-passionate (and potentially violent) ultras became the focal point of going to the games and watching Argentine soccer. (It became about doing the things around the club and causing trouble instead of watching what was on the field.) Players are leaving Argentina now, not because of money, but because of escaping the violence that became associated with Argentine domestic soccer.

    I fear this may be what becomes of the NHL if the clueless owners continue to be clueless.

  12. smgraff4 - Nov 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    On a second note, no lockout or strike in a high-visibility soccer league (including MLS) has occurred for more than 14 days, if there ever was a strike or lockout because both sides recognized the internationality of the game.

  13. id4joey - Nov 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Alright NHLPA, your move. How much longer will it take before you crawl back to the negotiation table? Take the hit. What are your options? You play hockey for a living, and though many of you are very marginal players you are paid in excess of 2m per year. Not bad. Right? It’s NHL or what?

  14. upyourstodd - Nov 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Why is it so bleeping hard to play give and take. My ball and I’m taking it hope has never worked in the history of ever. Sigh…………….

  15. dannythebisforbeast - Nov 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    That’s what happens bastard when you decide to start negotiating AFTER you lockout your employees. NHL greed is obvious.

  16. xaf605 - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Who really cares at this point! Good riddance.

  17. sportsfan69 - Nov 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Well, I’m watching Thursday night Football game, tomorrow night going out. Saturday College football, Sunday NFL, and Monday night NFL. Tuesday and Wednesday will be become DVR catch up time for my favorite TV shows.

    Do you see what’s happening here? I’m losing my interest fast.

    No games equals no salaries.

    Go play in the KHL, enjoy flying on those wonderful old Russian airplanes. Learn to speak Russian. Enjoy the Russian winters until late April.

    Oh that’s right, you showed the NHL owners who’s in control. Moronic if you ask me.

  18. sportsfan69 - Nov 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Be careful bringing over your family. Russia and the former Eastern block countries are high KNR states. (Kidnaped and Ransom) The Russian, Albanian, Croatian mafias love to exploit US foreigners. Especially ones that have money like NHL players.

  19. jimw81 - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Everytime daily and bettman open their mouths to press, it encourages players not to talk.

  20. jimw81 - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    Memo to Bettman, Daily and Jacobs:

    Players are making good money in Europe, OK money in the AHL, and got fat escrow checks. They ain’t rushing back on your terms.

  21. dannythebisforbeast - Nov 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    @joeb. I was in the negative or close to it the past few years, yet I survive,pay bills, take vacations,eat etc. this is made possible by write offs and expenses,they can make number say anything they want.

    That’s why rich people don’t pay taxes

  22. turtlematt18 - Nov 16, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    Fehr is the problom. Get him out of there and a deal gets done. He is bulls****ing the players.

  23. omniusprime - Nov 16, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    This is the best news I’ve heard about the despicable NHL. I say let the NHL die an ignominious death, the NHL is the worst excuse for hockey ever devised by a demented mind. Nothing but a bunch of cowards with sticks trying to get in the best cheap shot. If you want to watch the best hockey watch women’s Olympic hockey, they actually play real hockey and aren’t all caught up in cowardly cheap shots against fellow players.

    Let the NHL Die!!!

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  5. J. Tootoo (1053)