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	<title>Comments on: NHL has reason to fight for maximum contract lengths</title>
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		<title>By: dannythebisforbeast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shows how stupid they are that no one considered that teams would offer life contracts to circumvent a cap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shows how stupid they are that no one considered that teams would offer life contracts to circumvent a cap.</p>
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		<title>By: fortwaynekomets</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fortwaynekomets]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[7 letters my friends... ECHL &amp; AHL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 letters my friends&#8230; ECHL &amp; AHL.</p>
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		<title>By: elvispocomo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elvispocomo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on that, but it&#039;s unreasonable to expect that all teams will avoid these crazy, long-term, front-loaded deals just because it&#039;s the right thing to do. Nashville tried it and ended forced into a bigger deal than they probably would have been able to get Weber to agree to after the Philly offer sheet. 

The players have to take some responsibility for signing these deals as well, knowing the risk and financial burden it puts on a lot of the teams. They certainly (their agents really) drive up the price as UFAs to maximize earnings.

In the end, contract length means very little if you can have cap hits and salaries be equal, or at least with only small variances, over the length of the contract. No $1M salary in the final years after giving $10+M in the first few means that deal isn&#039;t as good for the players and the cap hit can&#039;t be artificially lowered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on that, but it&#8217;s unreasonable to expect that all teams will avoid these crazy, long-term, front-loaded deals just because it&#8217;s the right thing to do. Nashville tried it and ended forced into a bigger deal than they probably would have been able to get Weber to agree to after the Philly offer sheet. </p>
<p>The players have to take some responsibility for signing these deals as well, knowing the risk and financial burden it puts on a lot of the teams. They certainly (their agents really) drive up the price as UFAs to maximize earnings.</p>
<p>In the end, contract length means very little if you can have cap hits and salaries be equal, or at least with only small variances, over the length of the contract. No $1M salary in the final years after giving $10+M in the first few means that deal isn&#8217;t as good for the players and the cap hit can&#8217;t be artificially lowered.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThatGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All together the contract issues effect all the players. Different one&#039;s effect different type of players. 

The 5 year Max is likely to effect star players a lot more, no arguing that. 

But the 2 year ELC and added year until UFA is meant to hammer the avg player. Think how many avg players spend 2-3 years in the AHL. Taking away another year of that ELC will allow teams to sign avg players to lower paying two-way deals after their ELC expires because the player has no leverage or NHL experience. A Player like Kyle Palmieri who spent the past two years in the AHL would have had his ELC expire with barely a cup of coffee in the NHL. If there wasn&#039;t a lockout he would be playing top 6 minutes for the ducks this season, which would give him a heck of a lot bargaining power come RFA time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All together the contract issues effect all the players. Different one&#8217;s effect different type of players. </p>
<p>The 5 year Max is likely to effect star players a lot more, no arguing that. </p>
<p>But the 2 year ELC and added year until UFA is meant to hammer the avg player. Think how many avg players spend 2-3 years in the AHL. Taking away another year of that ELC will allow teams to sign avg players to lower paying two-way deals after their ELC expires because the player has no leverage or NHL experience. A Player like Kyle Palmieri who spent the past two years in the AHL would have had his ELC expire with barely a cup of coffee in the NHL. If there wasn&#8217;t a lockout he would be playing top 6 minutes for the ducks this season, which would give him a heck of a lot bargaining power come RFA time.</p>
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		<title>By: mungman69</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mungman69]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just a shame that owners and players just keep posturing instead of sitting down and hammering this sh•t out. Everyone loses but the players lose more than the owners. None of them care about the fans. With the internet and so many other sports to follow some day the fans won&#039;t come back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just a shame that owners and players just keep posturing instead of sitting down and hammering this sh•t out. Everyone loses but the players lose more than the owners. None of them care about the fans. With the internet and so many other sports to follow some day the fans won&#8217;t come back.</p>
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		<title>By: elvispocomo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elvispocomo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely agree 5 years is unnecessary. The link for the NBA getting a 5 year term limit notes they previously only had 6 years maximum, so I can see a limit but making it 5 years to try and fix these extremely front loaded contracts just because that&#039;s what the NBA has is not effective. 

I&#039;d be fine with even 7 years max (along with something to protect the actual yearly salary from dropping considerably in the final years) but it&#039;s clearly something the NHL doesn&#039;t have to have so low to protect themselves from themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree 5 years is unnecessary. The link for the NBA getting a 5 year term limit notes they previously only had 6 years maximum, so I can see a limit but making it 5 years to try and fix these extremely front loaded contracts just because that&#8217;s what the NBA has is not effective. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be fine with even 7 years max (along with something to protect the actual yearly salary from dropping considerably in the final years) but it&#8217;s clearly something the NHL doesn&#8217;t have to have so low to protect themselves from themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: kicksave1980</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kicksave1980]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Valo- I hear what you&#039;re saying, and I don&#039;t disagree. But my point is that we are all being denied hockey because owners can&#039;t save themselves from each other. I actually preferred the non-salary cap days...money doesn&#039;t equal success...just ask the Rangers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Valo- I hear what you&#8217;re saying, and I don&#8217;t disagree. But my point is that we are all being denied hockey because owners can&#8217;t save themselves from each other. I actually preferred the non-salary cap days&#8230;money doesn&#8217;t equal success&#8230;just ask the Rangers.</p>
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		<title>By: billsin20xx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billsin20xx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the fans though?  As a fan I like my &#039;super star&#039; staying with my team, hopefully till he retires.  I hate this changing teams every x years, I think it&#039;s great when they are signed for the long term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the fans though?  As a fan I like my &#8216;super star&#8217; staying with my team, hopefully till he retires.  I hate this changing teams every x years, I think it&#8217;s great when they are signed for the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: valoisvipers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[valoisvipers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kicksave1980 Do you then let your star UFA walk away to another  team for a couple bucks more?  You&#039;re fans will love you for that eh and good luck looking for a new team to be a GM for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kicksave1980 Do you then let your star UFA walk away to another  team for a couple bucks more?  You&#8217;re fans will love you for that eh and good luck looking for a new team to be a GM for.</p>
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		<title>By: kicksave1980</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kicksave1980]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@stakex- Long term contracts don&#039;t equal success. I mean, I know that the Islanders have been threats to climb out of the Atlantic cellar since giving DiPietro that deal, but...

So your concept of staying competitive by &quot;keeping up&quot; with the idiot owners who hand these deals out is flawed. Owners who feel compelled to follow suit, well, that&#039;s their problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stakex- Long term contracts don&#8217;t equal success. I mean, I know that the Islanders have been threats to climb out of the Atlantic cellar since giving DiPietro that deal, but&#8230;</p>
<p>So your concept of staying competitive by &#8220;keeping up&#8221; with the idiot owners who hand these deals out is flawed. Owners who feel compelled to follow suit, well, that&#8217;s their problem.</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such a false argument. 

All teams want to win, so if there is a loophole they are going to exploit it. If one team starts to do it, all the other teams have to follow if they want to compete even if they don&#039;t want to. Its a legit problem that needs to be fixed, and if your best argument against fixing it is: &quot;Don&#039;t fix it, just don&#039;t do it&quot;, you really don&#039;t have much of an argument (or an understanding of the concept &quot;winning&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a false argument. </p>
<p>All teams want to win, so if there is a loophole they are going to exploit it. If one team starts to do it, all the other teams have to follow if they want to compete even if they don&#8217;t want to. Its a legit problem that needs to be fixed, and if your best argument against fixing it is: &#8220;Don&#8217;t fix it, just don&#8217;t do it&#8221;, you really don&#8217;t have much of an argument (or an understanding of the concept &#8220;winning&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the second to last statement in this article hits a REALLY important fact. The vast majority of NHL players will gain absolutely nothing from this lockout, even if the players &quot;win&quot; in the end. I mena look at it like this:

1. These contract issues, which Fehr says is a major sticking point, don&#039;t effect 90% of the players in the NHL. Only a handful of super starts will ever get a contract longer then five years, and an extra year of restricted free agency isn&#039;t going to hurt most players. 

2. When it comes to a possible salary reduction, your super starts are willing to throw a season away to avoid it since in the long run it might actually save them money. However the vast majority of NHL players will lose more money with a lost season, then they would have just taking a small pay cut and playing the full year. 

---------------

So when you see Fehr on stage with Crosby right behind him, and hear inflamatory statements from guys like Kovelchuck/Ovechkin.... remember that this lockout is all about guys like them, not your average player. Fehr is willing to throw the season away so a handful of NHL players make a bit more money over the course of their career, while hundreds of other players would lose quite a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the second to last statement in this article hits a REALLY important fact. The vast majority of NHL players will gain absolutely nothing from this lockout, even if the players &#8220;win&#8221; in the end. I mena look at it like this:</p>
<p>1. These contract issues, which Fehr says is a major sticking point, don&#8217;t effect 90% of the players in the NHL. Only a handful of super starts will ever get a contract longer then five years, and an extra year of restricted free agency isn&#8217;t going to hurt most players. </p>
<p>2. When it comes to a possible salary reduction, your super starts are willing to throw a season away to avoid it since in the long run it might actually save them money. However the vast majority of NHL players will lose more money with a lost season, then they would have just taking a small pay cut and playing the full year. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>So when you see Fehr on stage with Crosby right behind him, and hear inflamatory statements from guys like Kovelchuck/Ovechkin&#8230;. remember that this lockout is all about guys like them, not your average player. Fehr is willing to throw the season away so a handful of NHL players make a bit more money over the course of their career, while hundreds of other players would lose quite a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: soj83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[soj83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the NHL already has the power to limit the length of contracts...it is very complex and hard to understand, but here it is:   don&#039;t offer long contracts.  you can&#039;t whine about length of contract and the amount of money in the contracts when you yourself are the ones presenting them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the NHL already has the power to limit the length of contracts&#8230;it is very complex and hard to understand, but here it is:   don&#8217;t offer long contracts.  you can&#8217;t whine about length of contract and the amount of money in the contracts when you yourself are the ones presenting them.</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recession actaully ended three and a half years ago... but that aside, you still make a valid point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recession actaully ended three and a half years ago&#8230; but that aside, you still make a valid point.</p>
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		<title>By: hitem396</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hitem396]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey jason brough.

everyone knows this. i also dont like 10 yr deal esp. when it comes to Hockey. Hockey is not basketball. one shot one hit can change his whole career. 

However, owners have offered long term deals to swallow some cap hit from a player like ovi, sid, perise, weber and else. question is WHY did they offer the long term deal? if they thought it was too risky, then they should have not offered it. Simple as that. ok forget the past.

on HRR issue, honor the current contracts. then 50/50 split, then players also should give up this kind of contract year limit issue. this is the only way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey jason brough.</p>
<p>everyone knows this. i also dont like 10 yr deal esp. when it comes to Hockey. Hockey is not basketball. one shot one hit can change his whole career. </p>
<p>However, owners have offered long term deals to swallow some cap hit from a player like ovi, sid, perise, weber and else. question is WHY did they offer the long term deal? if they thought it was too risky, then they should have not offered it. Simple as that. ok forget the past.</p>
<p>on HRR issue, honor the current contracts. then 50/50 split, then players also should give up this kind of contract year limit issue. this is the only way.</p>
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		<title>By: bleed4philly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bleed4philly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might I add they should just allow owners to collude so they don&#039;t come across looking like complete idiots with some of their contracts. That&#039;s a huge factor that partially caused this mess in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I add they should just allow owners to collude so they don&#8217;t come across looking like complete idiots with some of their contracts. That&#8217;s a huge factor that partially caused this mess in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: rogersjd16</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogersjd16]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You just said it - the NHL wants the limit and variance.  If they came to the players with an offer for 7 or 8 years with the variance, the players would accept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just said it &#8211; the NHL wants the limit and variance.  If they came to the players with an offer for 7 or 8 years with the variance, the players would accept.</p>
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		<title>By: rogersjd16</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rogersjd16]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;NHL contracts are guaranteed, so once they’re signed they can’t be canceled, even if the player stops producing or gets hurt.&quot;

Unless the NHL just decides they won&#039;t honor them and creates new issues to hold a hockey season hostage with...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NHL contracts are guaranteed, so once they’re signed they can’t be canceled, even if the player stops producing or gets hurt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless the NHL just decides they won&#8217;t honor them and creates new issues to hold a hockey season hostage with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bleed4philly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bleed4philly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bettman&#039;s whole blueprint for this lockout is the NBA. Where as the players are trying to make it like the MLB. If there isn&#039;t hockey by the time football season is over, we&#039;re not having a season. The players should just agree to it, they&#039;ll still be millionaires in the middle of a recession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bettman&#8217;s whole blueprint for this lockout is the NBA. Where as the players are trying to make it like the MLB. If there isn&#8217;t hockey by the time football season is over, we&#8217;re not having a season. The players should just agree to it, they&#8217;ll still be millionaires in the middle of a recession.</p>
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		<title>By: tmoore4075</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/nhl-has-reason-to-fight-for-maximum-contract-lengths/comment-page-1/#comment-111614</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Said it 1000 times now. The 5% variance eliminates the back diving contracts. If they are still worried about long contracts cap them at 8-10 years but most players won&#039;t be getting those. Probably just the superstars. Pushing for a 5 year term limit and the variance is stupid. There is a deal to be made here and for the most part easily if both sides would actually give.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said it 1000 times now. The 5% variance eliminates the back diving contracts. If they are still worried about long contracts cap them at 8-10 years but most players won&#8217;t be getting those. Probably just the superstars. Pushing for a 5 year term limit and the variance is stupid. There is a deal to be made here and for the most part easily if both sides would actually give.</p>
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