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Daly: “We’re done making proposals”

Nov 13, 2012, 9:30 PM EDT

Gary Bettman; Bill Daly AP

Hope remains that the NHL and NHLPA will be able to hash things out, but if Bill Daly’s comments to Chris Botta of the Sports Business Journal are any indication, the players might need to make the next move.

“We’re done making proposals,” Daly said. “We’ll see what they want to do.”

This comes a day after Daly claimed that the players are asking for 65 percent of Hockey-Related Revenue, so the latest round of comments haven’t been particularly rosy.

The two sides did reportedly speak on Tuesday, yet formal meetings weren’t planned, so perhaps they’ll spend that free time sniping at each other some more.

(Then again, NHLPA exec Steve Fehr said a deal could be made quickly when “the moment is right,” so that’s kind of optimistic – if aggravating.)

The Sporting News’ Jesse Spector captures the current mood in light of Daly’s terse statement.

Great.

  1. elemeno89 - Nov 13, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    *yawn*. Maybe if we ignore them they’ll stop and get a deal done. Treat them like how you would treat a toddler.

    • manchestermiracle - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:04 PM

      Change their dirty diaper and fix them a bottle?

    • bruinns78 - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:23 PM

      WE have Bettman who is a NBA Basketball guy and Donld fehr who is a Baseball guy.Why are these two talking hockey?They will ruin this game if they haven’t already….GET LOST BETTMAN AND FEHR!!!!

    • bruinns78 - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM

      BETTMAN KILLING HOCKEY ONCE AGAIN…

  2. flyeredup - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Fold the 2012,2013,2014 season. I have cancelled Center Ice on DirecTV and my season tickets. Rot and die NHL!

  3. dawglb - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    Cancel the season. Season ticket holders don’t want an adjusted schedule where they could end up at the arena 3 times a week ($60 in parking alone), just so the owners and players can squeeze in enough games so THEY make up some of the lost money. We gets screwed if there is a season, at this point. Yep. Us, the fans. Just cancel it!!!

  4. mgp1219 - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Bring the f-ing mediator in NOW!!!

  5. capesouth - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    “we’re done making proposals”. He won’t be saying that in August when a second season is in jeopardy. I guarantee they’ll be making proposals or the NHL will cease to exist. This is my problem with this whole situation. They don’t have a choice, unless you consider allowing the league to become irrelevant and losing a ton of money a ‘choice’. They are going to figure it out, as always. As a result, all of this posturing is pointless. It’s like they think they have the ability to allow the league to fold. They don’t. It won’t happen. So both sides need to stop trying to strong-arm one another. They are just getting in the way of the inevitable…which is a resolution. Who actually thinks they are going to allow this to go past one season? Realistically?

  6. DTF31 - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    “We are done making proposals where we demand everything in exchange for nothing. We feel that agreeing to pay them less is enough giving on our side”

    • hockeydon10 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:42 AM

      +1

  7. PUCKSandFILMS - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Reblogged this on El Puckster and commented:
    Talk continue with little progress. Things are looking grim and an odd twist has emerged after Mark Recchi made some intriguing comments regarding this current lockout. The twist being that the NHL Players union must make a move to get a deal in place as the Owners have made it clear they are done making proposals. The NHL Players have many options to go with and have the ability and resources to make a proposal that the NHL would probably accept as long as they do not get greedy. Greed being the key word here. The phrase “Greed is Good” from Gordon Gecko does not apply here.

    • jimw81 - Nov 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

      Who’s El Puckster? another hockeyyinsiderr or Eklund? Recchi comments makes players more unified

  8. sportsfan69 - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Bring on the replacement players. Or cancel the season. I’m in the market for a new sports car or house.

    • hockeydon10 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:43 AM

      There’s already a league full of replacement players.

      It’s called the AHL.

      • travishenryskid - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

        I agree, but the AHL broadcasts are brutal.

  9. Doesnotmatter - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    Fire Daly…..

  10. puckhogg - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    can daly just once keep his fricken yap shut…..

  11. mississippimudslinger - Nov 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    MGP1219 you must not have anything else positive in your life going for you if you’re this upset over a sport that I’m more then certain you dont play professionally yourself , or associated with with any type of job you may have now lol … maybe you should take up going to Church more often , may God Bless you

    • jasol20 - Nov 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

      You have got to be kidding. It has nothing to do with whether we play the sport or are associated with it in any professional capacity. For many of us we read this site religiously, to use a term you seem to understand, because this IS that thing that is positive in our lives. Following hockey is our hobby, our entertainment, and that favorite thing that takes us away from our professional and personal lives. Obviously this lockout isn’t having the same effect on you, and for that I’m happy for you. But, for MGP1219 and many others, it is. Obviously there are worse things in this world, but nothing is more aggravating than someone such as yourself essentially saying “get over it”.

      • mgp1219 - Nov 13, 2012 at 11:53 PM

        jasol20,
        just ignore mrs. sippee mudflapper, otherwise known as “honey boo boo”. she hates hockey and has been ragging on it and us fans for a while now. she’s a proud member of nascar nation, which should tell you all you need to know.

  12. jimw81 - Nov 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    this is just apart of the roller coaster of cba talks. nba and nfl made same tactics.

    • capesouth - Nov 13, 2012 at 11:58 PM

      To a degree, yes. The NHL is the only sport to have ever missed an entire season though and the one who caused that (Bettman) is still around. Every time the CBA ends, he wants to make major changes to the system, which results in the current situation. It’s his trademark.

      • comeonnowguys - Nov 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

        You can’t forget the guy on the other end of the table. It’s not like he has a track record of looking out for the best interest of whatever sport in which he’s involved.

  13. mississippimudslinger - Nov 14, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    LOL@ mpg calling me a female… and another lol regarding the constant comparison he makes with hockey to nascar … no comparison to even speak of.

    • manchestermiracle - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM

      NHL vs. NASCAR: You’re right in that they aren’t comparable, but not for the reasons you assume. NASCAR is right behind the NFL in popularity, but then again people also support such icons as the Kardashians, Honey Boo Boo, strip mining, and the creation myth. There’s really no accounting for ignorance and poor taste.

      NASCAR: National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing. We’ll leave the redundancy of Car and Auto out of it. It’s understood English isn’t a hick’s strong suit.

      Stock? Not for a very long time, although the brain trust of an excuse running the show decided to keep the bloated weight of a stock car (3,400 lbs.), along with all of three pieces: Hood, roof, trunk lid. That’s it, three whole pieces that a NASCAR racer has in common with an actual stock car.

      Modern stock cars are all fuel-injected. NASCAR? Still using carburetors. Most modern vehicles are front or all-wheel drive. NASCAR still uses old-school rear-wheel drive. Even Toyota, which has no rear-wheel-drive cars in production, uses rear-wheel-drive on its “racecar.”

      Real life requires driving in all conditions. Most racing organizations will race in the rain. Even motorcycles race in the rain. NASCAR? When it starts to drizzle you can find those he-men hiding in the garage.

      Actual racing: Good luck, since most races see many, many laps under caution. Simple physics: Heavy car, with harder compound tires to carry said heavy car, results in vehicles driving at the limit of tire adhesion. A small bump, some disturbed airflow and, voila, pinball bumper cars crashing regularly. Unfortunately that seems to be a major attraction of NASCAR, as opposed to real racing series. And if you don’t get to see enough smash-ups during a “clean” race, just wait: At least one of the “drivers” will intentionally crash into an opponent (see recent Bowyer/Gordon stupidity), something you never see in any other race series. Innovators of the “green-white-finish” style of racing, because otherwise half the races would end under caution.

      History: Born of illegal bootlegging. Once Prohibition was repealed the criminals found a way to continue their activities by running moonshine, which existed in order to circumvent federal alcohol taxation. Once law enforcement began to crack down, participants decided to go to tracks and wreck each other there.

      NHL: National Hockey League. Fast-moving athletic contest played on ice skates by boys/men with sticks and a flattened ball. Relatively little illegal activity (at least on the ice) and, until lately, fairly well-managed and entertaining. Occasional fighting breaks out, but this is mostly discouraged and hardly ever starts with someone crashing their car into someone else and risking lives.

      There you have it. One discipline is fast-paced, entertaining, edge-of-the-seat high-drama with superbly-conditioned athletes exhibiting skills rarely seen in the general population and the other is NASCAR.

      • mgp1219 - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM

        AWESOME!!
        Do you mind if I use this the next time Mrs. Sippee chimes in about the NHL? I will cite you as my source.

      • valoisvipers - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM

        Good post manchestermiracle.

  14. mississippimudslinger - Nov 14, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    jasol it’s nothing more then entertainment , do you really think these players and owners care what you think or say?

    • jasol20 - Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 AM

      Too stupid…I just can’t help myself…

      First of all, he wasn’t making a comparison between hockey and Nascar. Read before you write.

      Second, I absolutely do not believe that players and owners care one bit about what I think. Unfortunately, not caring about the fans is what has done some of the most irreparable damage during this lockout.

  15. capsrockva - Nov 14, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    This is so so fing bs just think of the fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they pay both salaries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. mississippimudslinger - Nov 14, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Enjoy your year off with no Hockey it’ll be a ghost town in most cities by the time if and ever it returns

  17. stakex - Nov 14, 2012 at 1:34 AM

    People are reading too much into this. All he is saying is that they are waiting for the players to make the next offer… which isn’t much of a suprise since its very clear where the owners stand.

    Thats not to say this kind of talk is a good thing, but its not the end of the world either.

    • hockeydon10 - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM

      I’m sure the PA is super-eager to make another offer that can be glanced at and dismissed in three minutes.

  18. phillyphanatic77 - Nov 14, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Once again the league attempts to strong arm the players union into accepting their deal on their terms. I just hope Fehr comes back with an offer, but even if they do there’s no way Bettman and Daly accept it. I can’t get over how much both sides are willing to sacrifice for relatively small gains. The egos running this “negotiation” are disgusting.

  19. greatminnesotasportsmind - Nov 14, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    Dear NHL and NHLPA,

    While you guys bicker over who gets how much of 3.5 billion dollars, you seem to forget 0% of 3.5 billion is, well 0 dollars. Instead your 3.5 billion you can’t divide up amongst yourselves, the fans are dividing up their “spendable income” on the NFL, NBA, NCAA basketball, NCAA football, MLS soccer, NCAA hockey, AHL hockey, NASCAR, Indy Car, badminton, volleyball, Major League Lacrosse, lingerie football league, MLB baseball in the spring, golf, figure skating, water polo, the game where you scrub the ice when the saucer thing glides on it, new hd flat screens to watch these said products, jerseys of these products (except lingerie football, dudes don’t look good them, period.), and every other piece of merchandise that isn’t NHL is going to them, not you.

    Good day.

  20. bayafan - Nov 14, 2012 at 3:22 AM

    Bring back the NHA!

  21. mungman69 - Nov 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM

    Doesn’t seem like either side wants a season. If and when there is a season the fans should strike and boycott the games. The fans have to throw their weight around after all they are the ones paying the money.

  22. irokkit - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:09 AM

    And Effen joke! Billions of dollars at stake and these bozos are saying that’s the last proposal we’re going to make. I am aggravated frustrated pissed off. I have not been back to baseball since 94. I suppose I am done. I’m done! I’m done!! To all of you fellow bloggers good luck with your words in

  23. irokkit - Nov 14, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    All your future endeavors. Be nice to one another and remember we’re all in this together. One more thing at the owners. It disgusts me to think that these owners are so effing greedy. It is one thing to want to be successful in business to make your business more profitable to be financially stable and to look at the long-term effects of your corporate structure. But FEU F the game and after people making the decisions that are locking out the players! I am a lifelong lover of the game and I swear the NHL just lost me what a shame I wish the rest of you would do it the damage is done the owners getting what they want. Have a nice life

  24. LoyalFan34yrsGoKings - Nov 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    The season will be saved. Let’s just wait.

  25. beachrover - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Not taking sides, but the owners will get what they want from these negotiations. Whether it is fair or not, they pay the salaries so they are in control. The players will need their income sooner than the owners and the owner’s know that. I feel confident that the owners knew well in advance of the lockout what points they were going to stick to, they knew the PA wouldn’t give on those initially, and made strategic decisions regarding revenues to help offset the losses they would incur by losing a season. Virtually all NHL owners have other business interest that generate their primary income other than hockey. If they lose a season to gain over the next 10 seasons, so be it, they’ll survive. If you’re a 30 plus year old hockey player in your prime earning years, a lost season is a tremendous percentage of your career earnings.

    • eyeh8goodell - Nov 14, 2012 at 10:43 AM

      The younger guys aren’t going to take a bad deal for the older guys, and no way the NHLPA signs off on any 10 year deal.

      The rest of the pro sports world is roaring with laughter while pointing at the NHL and yet another work stoppage. The laughingstock of pro sports.

      Personally, i’m enjoying watching alot of the game’s biggest stars playing overseas on larger ice surfaces. That’s how the game should be played anyway.

      • beachrover - Nov 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        Never said the owners were going to go for a 10 year deal. What I said was the owners are willing to sacrifice 1 season to improve their cash position over the next 10. If they drive down the HRR even 1% lower than where it is now, they’ve gained a substantial amount of money over the next 10 years. Make no mistake, this is purely about business for the owners, and they will do whatever they have to do to ensure their business model works for “them”.

    • dprouse - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM

      +1 Players can rage about it all they like, but it’s pretty clear that the owners know what their bottom line is in these negotiations, and they won’t buckle just to save an additional 10-20 games. The owners also don’t really care that they are losing the PR battle. Oh, and once they get an agreement they like, it will be for the length of time the owners want, not the players. Bottom line – if the players thought that bringing in the brothers Fehr was going to force the NHL to play ball, they guessed wrong.

      In the meantime, the careers of dozens of 3rd/4th line forwards, 5th/6th/7th defencemen and backup goalies continue to tick away. History suggests that the end of a lockout usually prompts a youth movement in most clubs, especially if an amnesty on buyouts is part of the deal.

  26. valoisvipers - Nov 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Does anyone here really believe the NHL players don’t make enough money or are treated poorly by their owners? I think for the health of the league and for all of the 700 or so players, they would be well served to make only 4.5 million a year instead of 5 million a year. If the players really believed that they got so screwed over in the last CBA why then did they choose to play the option year(last season) and why they were willing to play the regular season this year on the old CBA agreement while the two sides talk about a new CBA? Lets call a spade a spade here, they players are being greedy and it’s hurting the league, enough is enough, it’s a sad day when the average fan has to take out a second mortgage to take the family to a game.

    • chrisvegas - Nov 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      I don’t think the players are being greedy. I think the Billionaires who trippled their TV revenue are the greedy ones. The last seven years brought in RECORD REVENUE! They need to honor their contracts. We could have played this season out while they continued to negotiate if the owners weren’t so intent on their greedy demands. The owners choose lockout. Let me repeat that for you simple minded folk. THE OWNERS CHOOSE LOCKOUT. This is the OWNERS FAULT! Players come and go while the owners stay pretty much the same. 3 lockouts in 20 years and what is your constant, different players but the same greedy owners. The lockouts will not stop in the NHL until the fans hold the owners accountable. If you want to blame the fans you will have a lockout every 7 years.

  27. xjokerz - Nov 15, 2012 at 4:07 AM

    Bettman is killing hokey ? The players are asking for 65 percent of the revenue ?! No major sport runs like this. This is a joke and clearly the vodka these players are drinking in the KHL isn’t helping

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