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	<title>Comments on: Cleary &#8220;cautiously optimistic,&#8221; thinks next two weeks are critical</title>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/cleary-cautiously-optimistic-thinks-next-two-weeks-are-critical/comment-page-1/#comment-110319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, what they get during the playoffs is not from the owners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, what they get during the playoffs is not from the owners.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/cleary-cautiously-optimistic-thinks-next-two-weeks-are-critical/comment-page-1/#comment-110318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beg to differ friend.  They get their last pay cheque before the playoffs begin. 100% certain about this. They may however get some sort of bonus money depending on how far they make it into the playoffs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beg to differ friend.  They get their last pay cheque before the playoffs begin. 100% certain about this. They may however get some sort of bonus money depending on how far they make it into the playoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: somekat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somekat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see that, I only go to 2-4 games a year (Flyer tickets are expensive, add to that you need 2, at least, plus food, drinks, parking etc etc, an NHL game could easily cost you $350). Just too much money for an event taht is going to happen 41 times (minus playoffs) this year. 
I will say, the NHL is the one sport where being there and watching on TV is a completely different experience.
Having said that, chips are around all year, cost less money, and if I get a bad bag of chips, it didn&#039;t just cost me the same amount as my utility bills this month. 

Plus, chips are mighty tastey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see that, I only go to 2-4 games a year (Flyer tickets are expensive, add to that you need 2, at least, plus food, drinks, parking etc etc, an NHL game could easily cost you $350). Just too much money for an event taht is going to happen 41 times (minus playoffs) this year.<br />
I will say, the NHL is the one sport where being there and watching on TV is a completely different experience.<br />
Having said that, chips are around all year, cost less money, and if I get a bad bag of chips, it didn&#8217;t just cost me the same amount as my utility bills this month. </p>
<p>Plus, chips are mighty tastey</p>
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		<title>By: somekat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somekat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not true. Players  do get paid for the playoffs. They just get payed a specific amount, per player. Contracts and salaries are irrelivant 

But as to your overall point, there is no reason for the owners to play under the expired CBA (NOT current, there isn&#039;t a current CBA), with no belief that Fehr is going to negotiate in good faith. If the &quot;offers&quot; he has put up so far are any indicator (and they should be, since he guys are actually losing money, which they wouldn&#039;t be if they were playing), they made the correct decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true. Players  do get paid for the playoffs. They just get payed a specific amount, per player. Contracts and salaries are irrelivant </p>
<p>But as to your overall point, there is no reason for the owners to play under the expired CBA (NOT current, there isn&#8217;t a current CBA), with no belief that Fehr is going to negotiate in good faith. If the &#8220;offers&#8221; he has put up so far are any indicator (and they should be, since he guys are actually losing money, which they wouldn&#8217;t be if they were playing), they made the correct decision.</p>
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		<title>By: somekat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somekat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guy getting paid $70 an hour to work at an assembly line would of loved to work under that deal too. If the system is broken, which it is, of course the side that has the advantage is willing to keep playing under that agreement.

The players should &quot;check their ego at the door&quot;, and realize that they get paid 7% MORE than the best paid professional athletes (nba gets 50%, NFL and MLB don&#039;t get close to that), ad that no business in history has spent 57% of income (not profits) on  salary (not including salary for coaches, front office, doctors, scouts, etc etc) and been successful

The didn&#039;t sign to pay a player a salary, that&#039;s not how the CBA works (if you think it does, stop speaking, because you are lost inthe woods), they agreed to pay them a certain chunk of the players overall percentage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy getting paid $70 an hour to work at an assembly line would of loved to work under that deal too. If the system is broken, which it is, of course the side that has the advantage is willing to keep playing under that agreement.</p>
<p>The players should &#8220;check their ego at the door&#8221;, and realize that they get paid 7% MORE than the best paid professional athletes (nba gets 50%, NFL and MLB don&#8217;t get close to that), ad that no business in history has spent 57% of income (not profits) on  salary (not including salary for coaches, front office, doctors, scouts, etc etc) and been successful</p>
<p>The didn&#8217;t sign to pay a player a salary, that&#8217;s not how the CBA works (if you think it does, stop speaking, because you are lost inthe woods), they agreed to pay them a certain chunk of the players overall percentage.</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not really all that hard to believe. Everybody likes chips. They&#039;re relatively cheap, you don&#039;t have to take out a second mortgage for a year&#039;s supply. 

Perhaps fans should keep the same ranking comparison in mind when it comes to spending money again on a league that stops producing every five years or so. Of course, potato chips are readily available and don&#039;t string you along as to when they might come back, since they never arrogantly leave in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really all that hard to believe. Everybody likes chips. They&#8217;re relatively cheap, you don&#8217;t have to take out a second mortgage for a year&#8217;s supply. </p>
<p>Perhaps fans should keep the same ranking comparison in mind when it comes to spending money again on a league that stops producing every five years or so. Of course, potato chips are readily available and don&#8217;t string you along as to when they might come back, since they never arrogantly leave in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 03:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listen fusion, the owners very well know that if the season started without a CBA Fehr would have dragged the negotiations until the playoffs. By then the players would have rec&#039;d their last pay cheque, and the players would have walked out depriving the owners of financial gains. In other words, the players are not paid during the playoffs and it is estimated that teams make between 1 and 1.5 million per game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen fusion, the owners very well know that if the season started without a CBA Fehr would have dragged the negotiations until the playoffs. By then the players would have rec&#8217;d their last pay cheque, and the players would have walked out depriving the owners of financial gains. In other words, the players are not paid during the playoffs and it is estimated that teams make between 1 and 1.5 million per game.</p>
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		<title>By: blomfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blomfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 03:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Potato Chips &gt; NHL Hockey ?
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Yesterday I learned that Americans spent more last year on potato chips (7 billion) than they spent on the NHL (3.3 billion).  Truly unbelievable when you think about it.  And yet it&#039;s just further proof that these players need to remember where they really rank in the grand scheme of things !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potato Chips &gt; NHL Hockey ?<br />
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<p>Yesterday I learned that Americans spent more last year on potato chips (7 billion) than they spent on the NHL (3.3 billion).  Truly unbelievable when you think about it.  And yet it&#8217;s just further proof that these players need to remember where they really rank in the grand scheme of things !</p>
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		<title>By: fusionix7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fusionix7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish there was a rule that they would start negotiating about one week after the finals are done. Why wait to the last minute to negotiate?

The players are willing to play under the current agreement until a new agreement is met. Owners, check your ego at the door at get this going. Maybe, the owners just like being the 4th most popular sporting event in America, and basically spitting in the fans face every five or so years. You have your salary cap, now quit crying a river about the salaries that YOU are signing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there was a rule that they would start negotiating about one week after the finals are done. Why wait to the last minute to negotiate?</p>
<p>The players are willing to play under the current agreement until a new agreement is met. Owners, check your ego at the door at get this going. Maybe, the owners just like being the 4th most popular sporting event in America, and basically spitting in the fans face every five or so years. You have your salary cap, now quit crying a river about the salaries that YOU are signing.</p>
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		<title>By: id4joey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[id4joey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would a player be willing to go more than a year, let alone a year without a salary? No way. It&#039;s not worth it. Take the hit now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a player be willing to go more than a year, let alone a year without a salary? No way. It&#8217;s not worth it. Take the hit now.</p>
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