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Glimmer of hope? Bill Daly, Steve Fehr reportedly “talked extensively” on Tuesday

Oct 31, 2012, 4:44 PM EDT

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At the risk of getting everyone’s hopes up, TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting that NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHLPA special counsel Steve Fehr “talked extensively” on the phone Tuesday.

According to Shelly Anderson of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the talks may have even qualified as “light negotiations.”

It’s been reported that the NHL will announce the cancelation of the Winter Classic on Thursday or Friday; however, we suppose there’s an outside shot that CBA progress could put an announcement on hold.

  1. grillmarks - Oct 31, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Please make an agreement SOON!!

    • poffroth - Nov 1, 2012 at 9:29 PM

      The casual fans are gone I’m sure. Really sad as they were starting to build a solid share on the TV market.I for one never went back to baseball after the “94” lockout. I considered myself a little more then a casual fan of baseball.I am not missing the NHL as I live in a town that has a WHL team. Part of the CHL. I drive the Olympia ice resurfacer and enjoy hockey very much. I know in my circle that many of my buddies that never used to watch hockey had jumped on the bandwagon the last few years. I’m sure they are gone now and will probably not be back.It is sad that this sport has to endure this every few years or so. Not sure who to blame but feel if the commisioner were strong a deal would be done. He obviously sides with the owners and cares not for the fans….

  2. jernster21 - Oct 31, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Optimism has been met with disappointment every single time. I’ll be optimistic when they report they’re together to sign a CBA agreement on the dotted line. But these guys, they might screw that up too and bring pens without ink in them.

    • crosberries - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:09 PM

      Haha they should make them sign in blood anyways

  3. id4joey - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    There is going to be a season. blomfeld has been sating it all along, but most of you we’re too pessimist to believe him, and to even see the obvious. Stop dishing! It’s coming.

    Go NHL!

    • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 1, 2012 at 12:18 AM

      If I remember correctly you and blom have been making a baseless claim that there is a conspiracy by the league to purposely hold out in order to create a season that starts annually in November to somehow save the struggling sunbelt teams… eventhough all the November games have already been cancelled! I appreciate the optimism, but Bettman and Fehr have made it perfectly obvious that there’s no room for positivity in these negotiations. It seems the owners would rather collapse the league from within and go down in the sinking ship than build off of record revenues and unprecedented fan support. Amazing to think these successful businessmen are completely oblivious to the consequences of their short-sighted actions.

      • hockeyflow33 - Nov 1, 2012 at 1:08 AM

        It’s the same person, along with 8 or so other morons on here.

      • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM

        Hold on there, phillyphanatic77. Never did I write that there was a consipiracy or that I believed in one. Matter of fact, I clearly wrote indicating that I did not believe in blomfeld’s conspiracy theory. However, I always agreed that there would be a season. Following is a rrepost;

        Yes! I do agree with blomfeld in that there will be a season and it will likely start in Nov. I do believe the NHL has a plan to achieve its objectives. Do I believe in conspiracies? Yes! Do I believe the the US govt turned a blind eye to the importation of cocaine in LA to benefit their political agenda in Nicaragua? Yes! Do I believe the govt was behind the financial collapse in 2008? Yes! Do I believe this lockout was born from a conspiracy? No! And I’m not sure blomfeld believes that either. I think blomfeld likes to get under people’s skin. He likes to stir the pot.

        The players will fold. Keep in mind that they have no means of making up for lost revenues if the season is cancelled. Their careers are short lived. Owners have deeper pockets and they are around much longer so they have the ability to make for lost revenues.

        My 2 cents.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 1, 2012 at 1:55 PM

        well id4joey I am mistaken then. I am just so used to you two agreeing on everything, to the point where plenty of ppl on PHT believe you are the same person. But my overall point was that you and blomfeld agree that the season would begin play in November and there is no evidence to support that claim (especially since all of the games in Nov have been cancelled). In fact there’s no evidence to support the idea that there will be a season in general; all indications would actually point in the opposite direction. It’s like the state of American politics… both sides are so entrenched in what they believe that they refuse to even acknowledge the other side of the aisle. So we’re stuck with no progress, and the league will apparently be delivering its own execution if they can’t figure out that compromise isn’t a dirty word.

      • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

        Phillyphanatic77, I agree. There is no evidence that there will be a season, but, no evidence that there won’t be one. You write there are indications.pointing to a cancelled season. Where is the evidence? What are the facts? So, we’re on equal ground. Here s what I’ve written in the past;

        Oct 25, 2012, 1:17 PM EDT
        Here’s a snippet about how the NBA impasse played out last year; (note economic issues. Sound familiar) Hockey will be here. When? I hope soon enough so they don’t cancel the Winter Classic.

        Source: Wikipedia

        The 2011 NBA lockout was the fourth lockout in the history of the National Basketball Association (NBA). The owners began the work stoppage upon expiration of the 2005 collective bargaining agreement (CBA). The 161-day lockout began on July 1, 2011 and ended on December 8, 2011. It delayed the start of the 2011–12 regular season from November 1 to December 25, and it reduced the regular season from 82 to 66 games.

        The main issues dividing the owners and the players, represented by the National Basketball Players Association (NBPA), were the division of revenue and the structure of the salary cap and luxury tax. During the lockout, teams could not trade, sign or contact players, and players could not access NBA team facilities, trainers or staffs. Some players signed contracts to play in other countries, mostly in Europe and Asia, with most of those players having the option to return to the NBA upon the lockout’s conclusion. After a tentative deal was reached on November 26, owners allowed players to have voluntary workouts at team sites starting December 1. After the deal was ratified on December 8, training camps, trades and free agency began the next day.

        Yes! I believe. The players will realize it makes no sense for them to incurr a financial loss associated with the cancellation of the whole season.

    • blomfeld - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM

      that’s the spirit friend ! :) … and when our season does begin, let’s hope that all of these pessimists will do us the favor of staying away, eh ?

      • blomfeld - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

        Phillyphanatic77 – You’re probably a good guy and so I’ll dismiss your “perceived” suspicions about one person using “multiple” handles here. I am Blomfeld and when I speak here, I do so as Blomfeld and no one else ! Now you say that there isn’t any evidence to support the claim that play will resume by US Thanksgiving ? Well I would submit to you that that may actually depend on how hard you want to look for such evidence. Apparently there wasn’t any evidence prior to the 9/11 attacks either ? Well don’t tell that to top officers at United and American Airlines, who saw “futures” on their respective stock drop like “rocks” in the hours just prior to the tragedy. This lockout is BS based on greed and nothing more. If you want to believe everything you’re fed in the media, then go ahead, as that’s your prerogative. I however will stand by my conviction that this charade is about to come to a conclusion and that we will have NHL hockey again shortly.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Nov 5, 2012 at 2:18 PM

        I never had suspicions about you using multiple user names, that’s just what others on PHT believe. But that’s neither here nor there. I want there to be a hockey a season more than anything, I absolutely love the sport. And my Flyers. But I base my assumptions, that it is more likely than not the season will be cancelled, because of the way 04-05 was handled. Yes these are different circumstances from back then, i.e., the game needed to be revamped and a salary cap was somewhat necessary, but this time it’s more dangerous. You said it yourself, this lockout is purely about greed. About the almighty dollar; which drives wealthy business men (the owners and Bettman) to excessive extremes. That’s what makes this lockout so dangerous. These few men, who are holding an entire sport hostage, have shown a willingness to throw away unprecedented fan support, never before seen parity, and record revenues in an illogical attempt to pad their bank accounts. The players have made it perfectly clear that they will accept a true 50/50 split as long as their contracts are honored. The same contracts that were signed on the dotted line by every single league owner. If these owners refuse basic business etiquette and suddenly don’t want to honor the contracts they, themselves, just gave out, then there will be no season. I do not want to believe everything the media spreads. I know better than to listen to the media because both sides are playing the PR game. When everyone jumped on the union for not accepting the “50/50” right away, I held my tongue because I realized it was nothing more than a ploy by Bettman to strong-arm the union into accepting a lop-sided deal. I make educated judgements based off history and the way things have unfolded over the past few years. This is Bettman’s third lockout as commissioner, one has resulted in a shortened season and one (as we all know) led to an entire year with hockey. Unlike you blomfeld, I do not claim to know more than what past trends and my own intuition tells me. And based off of Bettman’s history it seems to be about 50/50- either we have a shortened season or no season at all. But I can’t simply discount the notion that Bettman will pull the trigger and cancel the 2012-13 season, based off some secret “evidence” you keep to yourself… because he has done it before! There is a precedent and Bettman, himself, set it. You have been telling us since September or earlier that this is a charade perpetrated by Bettman in a fiendish attempt to move the seasons starting date to November. But that was wrong. November has been cancelled, and you’re still clinging to your notion that we’re the naive ones for not believing this is all a ploy. It makes no sense. You seem like a nice guy and I appreciate the optimism but show me some true evidence and then maybe I’ll consider your conclusions. But as of now, they’re nothing more than wishful thinking.

      • blomfeld - Nov 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

        Phillyphanatic77 – That’s a well written piece friend and no doubt your views are consistent with the vast majority of people posting here. Nonetheless, I maintain that this is all nothing more than an agenda which Bettman has in his head and which he’s determined to stick to “come hell or high water”. I believe that among the goals in his agenda are the elimination of the first part of the schedule and the creation of a new CBA which will equate to a “diktat” as far as the players are concerned. Obviously I can’t provide anything to you to prove my theory, other than “time” which always reveals the truth in the end. And as it would be, it now appears that we’re about to find out whether my assertion is valid after all ? As for all of November’s games being cancelled ? Well I would submit that that’s a complete pile of BS ! They can “easily” start up in less than two weeks time, once a deal is announced. I swear to God, you just watch how this plays out now ! Today is November 6th and I’ve been saying all along that we’ll have the season starting by the US Thanksgiving holiday weekend, which this year is going to be Nov 22-25. Stand by friend ! :)

  4. buffalomafia - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    The fans are the stupid ones in this whole mess!

    They will continue to buy expensive tickets to games for greedy millionares who play a kids game!

    • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:50 AM

      buffalomafia, why do you keep paying taxes? Every on in congress are a bunch of greedy millionaires who screw us over.

      • rogersjd16 - Nov 1, 2012 at 8:00 AM

        Uh, what? I don’t get arrested if I turn in my season tickets and stop going to games because of these “greedy millionaires”. The Gustapo come with their billy clubs if I stop paying my taxes. Slightly different.

      • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 8:46 AM

        True, in other words if the NHL gustapo would be swinging billy clubs for returned tickets then you would keep your swasom tickets assuming you have some.

  5. semin28 - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    ^ I agree

  6. mississippimudslinger - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    it’s over guys lets be realistic

  7. hockeyflow33 - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Please let this happen

    • blomfeld - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

      God are you a moron !

  8. id4joey - Oct 31, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    No! buffaloxxxxxx, the real fans will always comeback. It happened in Baseball, football and basketball. Why would hockey be different?

    • barbster2012 - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 AM

      Because the other sports don’t pull this s#%t every 7 years!!

      • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

        So what? Fans need to stop being full of themselves. It’s not YOUR game. Let the big shot owners take care of their business. Some of the fans on PHT have bigger egos than some of the NHL/PA brass. Get over yourselves. If you are that pissed about the situation, then stay away and don’t come back.

  9. chrisvegas - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    It would be nice if they can get a deal done so we can still have the winter classic.

    • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM

      Yes! The league must pay the U of M 250k this Friday for the WC. I do bellieve they will cancel the event before the end of this week to defer payment. Now, there still maybe a loophole which would allow for the WC to be held should there be an agreement by say mid to end of Nov. Past that it will be too late to re-schedule.

  10. firemarshal1 - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    I doubt anything will happen. To much pride and egos will get in away from constructive bargaining from both sides.

    • eyeh8goodell - Oct 31, 2012 at 9:09 PM

      The ego is only one side if we’re just talking negotiators. Fehr is just doing exactly the job he was hired to do. Bettman’s the one coming out of meetings visibly pissed and flustered. He was dealing with amateurs last time and his ego blew up accordingly (hence all his post lockout gloating last time around). This time he’s dealing with a pro who’s simply better than he is. If anything Fehr always comes out looking amused at what just went down. He’s probably getting a kick out of seeing the Mighty Midget squirm.

      • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

        Oh! And you don’t GB is doing the job he was hired to do? Seriously, do you know who pays GB’s salary?

    • blomfeld - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      Friend, it’s “already” happened ! … just watch as this charade comes to a conclusion now in a few days time …

  11. savior72 - Oct 31, 2012 at 6:32 PM


  12. ynothockey - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Glimmer of hope??? More like let’s blow some more smoke!!! Ready fans??

  13. manchestermiracle - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Negotiations lite…Is that a lawyer beer? Aren’t they already drunk with power? Maybe they were just comparing Halloween costumes, with each dressing up as the other. They give new meaning to the title Monsters, Inc.

  14. concoursrider - Oct 31, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Annnnnnnnd once again NOTHING will happen! GO F**CK YOURSELF NHL!

  15. seaner44 - Oct 31, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Yawn! See you in 2014 NHL.

  16. mgp1219 - Oct 31, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    id4joey – Please tell us thst you are not a blomfeld disciple. He is a pretentious dolt whose act is getting old and trite.

  17. seaner44 - Oct 31, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Last time there was a strike the fans had something new to look forward to (new overtime rules, no red line etc). This time there is nothing on the bargining table that benifits the fans (higher ticket prices maybe and i dont think that benifits anyone but the rich and richer). If the season does happen this year (which it wont) i will be staying away from it

  18. capsfan19 - Oct 31, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    I am ready for the beating, bring your worst bettman.
    But if there is good news to be had by all means im all for it.

  19. fortwaynekomets - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    glimmer of hope my @$$

  20. id4joey - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    mgp1219, let me say the following. You can call blomfeld all sorts of names if you wish and believe everything he writes, or you cut through the crap and see the real person that he is. He is no dummy, and I happen to believe there will be hockey this year for reasons that I have written here before, and wish not to write again. And I don’t believe the conspiracy theory, but, I do believe GB and the owners will get their way. Hey! I could be wrong, but until the season is cancelled I’m sticking with my belief.

  21. ducksk - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Hold on boyz….there will be a season by thanksgiving!!!! No BS!

  22. 8man - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Get it done this week! I want to ring in my new year with outdoor hockey in the big house!

    Leafs! Wings! Ann Arbor! Are you kidding me?

    BTW, I live in Baltimore. As a hockey fan, I need something to look forward to.

  23. capsrockva - Oct 31, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Please get the dam deal done 1067the fan here in the DC market has signed a deal to get the Caps games off AM radio and on FM dial. Please for the fans sake, this is crazy. If the WC is canceled there won’t be a hockey season and 4 me, ( yes kinda selfish I know) but I like Hockey more than Football now, especially after the 2010 Olympics. Some of the best hockey I’ve ever seen during the tournament.

  24. websurferdude - Oct 31, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Who cares anymore in 5 years from when they do settle this thing we’ll be right back here again. I hope the NHL dies.

    • id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      Yeah! As if that is going to happen!

  25. capsrockva - Oct 31, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    then u must not watch hockey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. mgp1219 - Oct 31, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    Mid-December at the earliest, if at all.

  27. id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM

    If the season doesn’t start by mid Dec, then it’s see you next year.

  28. tmoore4075 - Nov 1, 2012 at 8:17 AM

    I don’t see it as hope. They’ve had talks before like this and not much has happened. Funny the two 2nd in commands have talked more than the two heads.

  29. comeonnowguys - Nov 1, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Careful. The light at the end of this tunnel is actually a TRAIN.

  30. steelers88 - Nov 1, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    Millionares VS Billionares! Why must they argue over money there are poor people out on the streets just remeber that players and Owners as you argue over stupid little paper.

  31. pmac26 - Nov 1, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Either get something done or cancel the season! Enough is enough a lot of people on the east coast just lost everything (including some lives) and we get to sit here and listen to millionaires fight with billionaires about money. Really I’m done with it!!!!!!!!

  32. gc19 - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:22 AM

    They need to stop making this kind of stuff news! It’s like last year with Crosby. Every day there would be an update stating there’s nothing new to report.

  33. dprouse - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:45 AM

    The most frustrating thing is that they aren’t that far apart. If the will existed, a couple of days of bargaining would result in a new CBA. Right now, though, this fight is about long term control more than it is about the current money. No one wants to be the first to blink, and both sides want to be able to claim a win to their membership.

    Hearing Senators owner Melnyk speak out, though, is interesting. He chose his words carefully, but it’s pretty clear he’s in the, “let’s get a deal done” camp. How many other owners share his views? It would be fascinating to see Bettman’s BlackBerry for five minutes or so…

  34. mojosmagic - Nov 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Players are starting to cave.

  35. tjdelio - Nov 1, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    At this point, I hope they cancel the whole season. I hope this ruins the NHL as we know it. I’ve been a hockey fan since the late 80’s when I discovered a Penguins game on TV. I fell in love with the sport. I joined the Navy in 1992, and was sent to Guam for my first duty station. I was so Pens crazy, I had my mom tape playoff games and mail them to me since the games weren’t on TV out there. I spent most of my first 12 years in the Navy overseas, so I didn’t get to see too many games. When I was finally forced to take an assignment in Washington D.C., I was thrilled at the prospect of getting to see the NHL and the Pens on TV, or in person. It just happened to be my bad luck to transfer to D.C. in June of 2004. You can’t imagine the depths of disappointment I felt at finally being in the U.S. for a full NHL season, only to have it taken away. Now it’s happening again, and I’ve given up on the NHL. I hate the low-scoring defensive, clutch and grab playing style. I miss the high-scoring, freewheeling, creative style of play that drew me in. What really has turned me off, is this repeating cycle of let-down forced upon us, the fans. It’s obvious to me the NHL and NHLPA’s arrogance towards the fans is higher than ever. They figure the fans will flock back like they did after the 94-95 and 04-05 lockouts. I, for one, will not. I’m sick of feeling like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I’ve already canceled my subscription to Center Ice, and I’ve unliked all things NHL on my Facebook page. I hope others follow my lead and finally get it through the heads of the “leadership” in the league and NHLPA offices, the fans are the people that matter most. I also advocate buying knockoff NHL gear and canceling season tickets. If you need your hockey fix, find a KHL game online or on TV, go watch pee-wee, junior, high school, college or minor league games. The NHL no longer deserves the loyalty of it’s fans.

  36. id4joey - Nov 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    phillyphanatic77 There a few of us here who think the players will eventually realize that it makes more business sense to loose 12% as opposed to 100% of their income this year. Surely you also see that. So I think the players will soon be begging for the PA to make a deal pronto.

    With respect to the games cancelled until the end of Nov, nothing prevents the league from looking at the possibility of rescheduling those games if there is a deal to be made soon.

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