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Did the NHL underestimate Donald Fehr? He hopes not

Oct 28, 2012, 1:00 PM EDT

Donald Fehr AP

While the NHL and the players’ union continue to be at odds with how talks have gone,’s Tim Panaccio posed a good question: Did the owners underestimate Donald Fehr?

Panaccio asked the NHLPA Executive Director himself that question.

“I don’t know, I certainly hope not,” Fehr said.

When it comes to the owners’ lockout strategy, Fehr said they’re following in the footsteps of the NFL and NBA, but when it comes to what the owners are trying to do, Fehr isn’t a mind reader.

“So when they said they were going to lock out and made hints about it months ago, everybody believed them, and the fact that the players believed them and are still unwilling to accept what’s on the table – the massive reductions the owners want – suggests to me, that the answer to the question as to the player’s resolve should be self-evident. But I don’t know what they believe. I have no idea.”

Fehr says he hopes the owners didn’t think the players would cave in by now, especially after what went down in 2004-05. The only thing all this talk does is make fans think they’ll be in for a hockey-free winter.

  1. rainyday56 - Oct 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Stick a fork in, the season is done.

  2. chronwall - Oct 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Would you guys stop showing this picture that makes him look like a sith lord. COME ON NOW!

    • bensawesomeness - Oct 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      Well now i want them to keep using it….

    • sabatimus - Oct 28, 2012 at 9:11 PM

      I was going to say “Nice Halloween lighting”, but Sith Lord works just as well. “I AM THE SENATE.”

  3. DTF31 - Oct 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    The NHL underestimated how dumb their opening off was. Never insult anyone you are negotiating with.

  4. nepo784 - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Fck Betteman and the owners. Especially that piece of trash, Jacobs of the B’s

  5. id4joey - Oct 28, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    See previous post. There will be hockey.

    Oct 23, 2012, 10:46 PM EDT
    Fans, this is NOT a PR move. Think about it. GB gave Jamison another extension for the purchase of the Coyotes, which should align with the start of the season. The NHL lockout is following the same script as the one played out in the NBA . Why would either want to cancel the season?

    See Wikipedia.
    The owners began the work stoppage upon expiration of the 2005 collective bargaining agreement (CBA). The 161-day lockout began on July 1, 2011 and ended on December 8, 2011. It delayed the start of the 2011–12 regular season from November 1 to December 25, and it reduced the regular season from 82 to 66 games

    • hockeyflow33 - Oct 28, 2012 at 7:52 PM

      You’re a moron. You don’t know anything more about the lockout than anyone else on here, stop acting like you do.

      • id4joey - Oct 28, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        Really! Me a moron. And what are you for calling ME a moron?

      • id4joey - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

        BTW, if you know what I don’t know, then why don’t you know how this impasse is going to play out. It seems you know what I don’t know, and that somehow makes you an expert. why are you threatened by what you think I know and don’t know? I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong, but if the season starts as I think it will, then you won’t hear from me.

      • blomfeld - Oct 29, 2012 at 2:44 AM

        hey hockeyflow33 – No offense, but you’ve got to seriously be the dumbest POS posting here at PHT … and I do mean that “seriously”. Your MO continues to be the same throughout with all your pathetic, lame, one-line “simpleton” retorts … “you’re a moron” … “go F yourself” … “you know nothing” … etc. So do yourself a favor pal and take a good, long, hard look at “yourself” in the mirror. You’re not funny, you’re not likable and you’re sure as hell not “value-adding” to anything here !

        ps: in case you weren’t aware, giving yourself “multiple” thumbs up is considered “gay” …

      • id4joey - Oct 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM

        blomfeld, I wish I can write like you, man. Some here deserve it, and this hockeyflow got what he deserved. You’re the bomb.

  6. rednats7 - Oct 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Did the NHL and its owners not see what Donald Fehr did on behalf of the MLBPA….the guy is tenacious and stands for no BS. The opening offer from the NHL WAS insulting. If there is no significant compromise on both sides this season is toast because Fehr would not have it any other way…

  7. dlk75150 - Oct 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    I’ll tell u what’s insulting the fact that the players are letting this dick represent them. What a jerk!

    • hockeyflow33 - Oct 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM

      Yea it must suck to have a guy who doesn’t crumble like Bob Goodenow

      • blomfeld - Oct 29, 2012 at 2:49 AM

        hey moron … it might be an idea to take your stupid head out of Fehr’s ass and have a look around at what’s going down here … think you might be able to do that, ya goof ?

  8. paperkid96 - Oct 28, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    XHL anyone? I want Vince McMahon to scoop these guys up and play some hockey. Even though it would look like the hockey game in Strange Brew, its better than no hockey.

    • cardsandbluesforever - Oct 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

      full body armor and mind control drug laced beer? HELL YES!!

  9. buckeye044 - Oct 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Fehr doesn’t care if there is a season or not. He will still get paid.

    • id4joey - Oct 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM

      Exactly! The players will ultimately have to put pressure on Fehr to make a deal. There is no way they will make up the financial lost from a canceled season.

  10. canuck54143 - Oct 28, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Fehr is the same P.O.S that cost the blue jays their 3rd World Series. I haven’t followed baseball since. This is the guy the players choose to follow. He ruined baseball and now he’s trying to do the same to Nhl. Sign the offer or counter offer with new 10 year deal working towards 50/50 split in the first three.

  11. capsrockva - Oct 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    just get the dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm deal done seriously for the fans sake.

  12. greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 29, 2012 at 2:06 AM

    It amazes me how many of you are so naive saying this is all the owners fault. Let’s not forget who’s sitting across the owners is Donald Fehr, who we all know is a hard line negotiator.

    But don’t forget Donald Fehr wants to turn the NHL into the MLB, that has no salary cap (which he negotiated back in 1994). Since then, you need to have a top 10 payroll to have any chance of winning the World Series. Only 6 teams out of the top 10 payrolls have won the World Series and all but 1 were in the top half of baseball payrolls.

    2012 San Francisco (8th highest)
    2011 St. Louis (11th)
    2010 San Francisco (9th)
    2009 NY Yankees (1st)
    2008 Philadelphia (12th)
    2007 Boston (2nd)
    2006 St. Louis (11th)
    2005 Chicago White Sox (13th)
    2004 Boston (2nd)
    2003 Florida (25th)
    2002 Anaheim (15th)
    2001 Arizona (8th)
    2000 NY Yankees (1st)
    1999 NY Yankees (1st)
    1998 NY Yankees (2nd)
    1997 Florida (7th)
    1996 NY Yankees (1st)
    1995 Atlanta (3rd)

    Okay, so you think a luxury tax system works? Which Fehr said was an option. Here is the NBA Champions since 1984, that’s 28 seasons if your scoring at home.
    1. Lakers 8 (1985, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02, 09, 10)
    2. Chicago 6 (1991, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98)
    3. San Antonio 4 (1999, 03, 05, 07)
    4. Boston 3 (1984, 86, 08)
    5. Detroit 3 (1989, 90, 04)
    6. Houston 2 (1994, 95)
    7. Miami 2 (2006, 12)
    8. Dallas 1 (2011)

    Oh and 13 of the 28 teams that lost the NBA Finals are on that list of 8 teams who won.

    At least the NFL, that has a hard salary cap (which was just negotiated last season and players and owners split 50:50 and missed 1 meaningless preseason game has it right. On average 6 of the 12 teams that make the playoffs one year, make it back next year. When the NBA has had only 8 different champions since 1984, the NFL has had 15 different champions.

    Since the last lockout 7 season ago, we have had 7 different winners, and only Pittsburgh and Detroit have been to the Finals twice each, playing each other ironically in back to back years).

    So when your bashing the owners and are on Fehr ruining your favorite sport, just remember if Fehr gets his way, your going to have teams that will zero chance of winning the Stanley Cup on opening night.

    • jgus93 - Oct 29, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      Wow… only 8 different NBA champions since ’84?! That’s crazy!

  13. Bill Florin - Oct 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Here’s a fan plan to teach them a lesson:

    1. For every game that we miss this year, stay away next year. If 82 games are lost, than they will be playing to empty arenas for 2013-14.

    2. Give some some of the money you would have spent on tickets, hot dogs, beer, jerseys, programs, etc. to charity. Get a receipt.

    3. Send a copy of the receipt to Donald and Gary. Using a red Sharpie marker, write “This would have been spent on hockey. Too bad for you.”

    Enjoy the warm glow of helping the needy while sticking it to the greedmeisters of the NHL. They need us more than we need them.

    • manchestermiracle - Oct 30, 2012 at 12:11 AM

      Oh, if only…..

  14. rbern11162 - Oct 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    That’s ridiculous , the owners knew what. Fehr is capable of . In the end the owners will win . They know if they cancel the season the players will cave in July next year . Fehr is so bull headed , he thinks this is just like MLB . Fehr doesn’t realize the owners won’t cave , they already have shown they are ready to cancel their season to get there way . I hate Donald fehr

  15. amehta256 - Oct 29, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    As an Expos Fan for life, you can never underestimate a guy who helped take away a potential World Series for our Montreal expos in 1994. #74-40 record, ahead of the braves in the east and a dumb strike cancels the season.

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