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Fehr hopes for “serious negotiations one of these days”

Oct 26, 2012, 10:40 PM EDT

Gary Bettman, Donald Fehr Getty Images

Donald Fehr was on hand for Chicago’s Champs for Charity game, so he added a little extra meat to the NHLPA’s earlier release about games being canceled through November.

Here’s the latest bit of CBA bulletin board material, via’s Tracey Myers.

“Hopefully we’ll finally get down to serious negotiations one of these days,” Fehr said. “Somebody has to be willing to talk about things seriously.”

Fehr once again compared the way the NHL is handling the process to the way other leagues (such as the NFL and NBA) recently approached their CBA haggling.

Fehr’s extended comments (and a really close-up view of the executive) can be found via Chris Kuc of the Chicago Tribune, which included this take.

“So far, the league’s position is essentially we got billions of dollars from the players last time and we’ve had nothing but record revenue since so let’s get another billion or two,” Fehr said.

About the only bright side is likely a familiar refrain: Kuc reports that Fehr said there is “regular, on-going communication” between the parties, yet no formal negotiations are in the works.


The NHLPA’s initial release

Bill Daly expresses the NHL’s side

All November games are canceled

  1. lostpuppysyndrome - Oct 26, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Is Fehr purposely trying to make record “revenues” sound the same as record “profits?” He keeps using that word; I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

    • stakex - Oct 26, 2012 at 11:55 PM

      Heh, classic.

      And very true… Revenue != Profit.

      • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        1) Lemonade Stand
        sales (revenue) @ $100 less $10 costs = $90 profit

        2) International Corporation
        sales (revenue) @ 3 billion less 3 billion costs = “0” profit

        Stakex – basic economics says that scenario “1” is superior 10/10 times … any discussion about revenue (sales) is only valid in that it gives an indication of business activity … however it has nothing to do with the bottom line “financial” health of a company, for that’s when the discussion focuses on “profit” or a lack thereof …

        I would submit to you friend that it’s logical for the NHL’s revenue (sales) to have increased significantly over the life of this last CBA, as that’s mostly just a reflection of an “across the board” overall increase in economic activity (eg: look at the increase in GDP over the same period). However that has nothing to do with the bottom line financial “health” of the league (eg: “profit” or a lack thereof) which I would contend is rather “sickly” at the moment and which I would contend is the major underlying reason for this current situation. So while some teams are no doubt making handsome profits, I would submit that for each one of those there are likely five teams which are not … and therein lies the dilemma for Bettman and company. I am personally convinced that over the long term, the only solution is to abandon the “sunbelt” vision and instead embrace the concept of “contraction” and/or “northward migration”.

    • mgp1219 - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM

      So, are you saying that the league lost money during the last CBA? If that’s the case, then perhaps those running the league need to be held accountable. Record revenue should lead to record profits unless spending is not done wisely (ie. expanding into markets that simply will not support hockey and handing out exhorbitant contrats and then crying poverty). Sound familiar?

    • hockeyflow33 - Oct 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

      Because profits can be skewed or written down

      • kitshky - Oct 27, 2012 at 2:03 PM

        Exactly. There is no way for the NHLPA to comment on the NHL’s “profits” because the NHL refuses to be clear about what their profits are, and even if they did the picture would be about as clear as mud.

        We all realize there are teams that are losing money, but if you simply look at how the vast majority of NHL teams handled their business over the last CBA it’s a fair assumption that the record revenues translated in to record profits for many many franchises. That’s all Fehr and the NHLPA (and fans frankly, although we realize they’ve forgotten that we’re here) can go off of.

  2. esracerx46 - Oct 26, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    Fehr wants to negotiate (allegedly) yet every time the league puts out an offer, he comes back with a whole new proposal. Last time i checked thats not how you haggle.

  3. georgiared - Oct 27, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    By “serious negotiations,” does he mean a 24 page proposal like the NHL came up with 10 days ago, or the single sheet of paper with two proposals and the other pulled out of your butt like the PA came up with? Cause I know which one seems more “serious” to me

  4. bubblehead22 - Oct 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    That clown is at the center of why there has been zero progress. He’s an egomaniac who wants to make this about him. The NHL and PA are bad enough. Throw Fehr into the mix and it’s toxic.

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM


      Fehr sure is a clown alright … though a “transient” clown is probably a more accurate description. The thing is that whether you like him or not, Bettman will still be our NHL commissioner in 5 years time, whereas Fehr will likely be long gone the “minute” this issue is resolved.

      GO FEHR !!



  5. bagjr387 - Oct 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    I was hoping for serious negotiation in August

  6. antkowiak666 - Oct 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    and people wonder why the NHL is the bottom feeder when it comes to the big 4 in sports.

  7. id4joey - Oct 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    I don’t get what this lockout has to do with market share for the big 4. The other 3 have experienced lockouts/strikes. NBA/MLB/NFL have been big nation wide U.S. sports for many many years. Not so for hockey, which is a Canadian sport going back to the original six teams, 2 of which were in Canada 4. The NHL’s first big attempt to market the league nation wide in the U.S. happened in the late 60s. So, selling hockey in new markets where the other sports have been ingrained there is not an easy task.

  8. mgp1219 - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    If Fehr is the whole problem in this situation, then who was the problem, or “clown” during the last 3 LOCKOUTS?

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM

      Fehr was responsible for those as well …

    • esracerx46 - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

      Six of the eight contract negotiations he has been involved in have resulted in work stoppages, including five consecutive negotiations between the MLBPA and Major League Baseball. Granted only one of those has been the NHL but, you do see the trend, right?

      • mgp1219 - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

        Yes. The owners in each sport are greedy bastards.

  9. mgp1219 - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Really, Blomfeld?? Realy?? Since Fehr took this position less than 2 years ago, how is that possible? Are you a habsman protoge or something?

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

      hey man … the “LA Kings Rule!” or haven’t you heard ? :)

    • joshuakorr - Oct 27, 2012 at 7:52 PM

      I’m pretty sure, despite his absurd rebuttal, that blomfeld was being sarcastic

  10. esracerx46 - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM

    What your argument has lost is perspective. Just because they have a record amount of revenue doesnt mean record profit. With the value of the American dollar and inflation, they need more money to do do the same things they were doing before. Everything costs more, from employee salary, to stadium upkeep, to ice cream and beer. So after you factor those things in, you can see why record revenue doesnt mean squat.

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      yes indeed … in fact, allow me friend to refer you to my remarks above … :)

  11. capsrockva - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    Just get the dam thing done soon, for the Fan’s sake please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

      Attention all “Virginians being Rocked by the Caps” !

      Don’t worry friends, we will have a season ! … in fact I’ve just re-crunched the numbers and now I’m seeing a magical breakthrough being announced possibly as early as this coming Thursday or Friday ! … good times ! :)

  12. id4joey - Oct 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    mpg1219, And how are these guys different than the common business men, our gov’t or the mafia?

  13. id4joey - Oct 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    blomfeld, or whatever your handle, I second that. We will be rocking the house soon.

  14. thedavesiknowiknow - Oct 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM

  15. sportsfan69 - Oct 27, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Here’s a responsible concept for Both parties. Compromise, since both sides are adamant about winning the CBA. Let’s have the players take only a 6 percent pay cut instead of the original 24%, now 12%. Have it fazed in over the next three years, along with 50/50 split in revenue.

    Otherwise gentlemen, you can KISS next year’s future revenue in half. All the major corporate sponsors and other revenues will be gone. Common sense should be on your thoughts. Place your pride and emotions on the back burner. It’s a killer in life. Ask Mark Messier, Jeremy Roenick to name a few.


  16. bubblehead22 - Oct 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    I thought it was obvious that I was speaking to the CURRENT lockout. I am sure that I also said the “NHL and PA are bad enough”

    No Fehr wasn’t responsible for the last 3 work stoppages no is he responsible for this one since it’s a lockout. What he is responsible for is just what I said earlier, HE MAKES THE SITUATION (((((WORSE)))))

  17. dlk75150 - Oct 27, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    Fehr had a chance to start negotiations last season! He is only out for himself and the power. Bad hire players!!!!!! Now he’s really screwed you over and the fans pay the price.

    • blomfeld - Oct 27, 2012 at 8:03 PM

      Dlk75150 – Even “if” Fehr had tried to start negotiations last season, which I doubt he would have done due to his own selfish reasons, it’s highly unlikely that Bettman would have given him the time of day anyway. This impasse is a “premeditated” charade that was intended to delay the start of the season, in-order to drive a hidden agenda which obviously includes the “elimination of October and November from the schedule” as one of it’s primary objectives.

  18. Jeff - Oct 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    A negation won’t happen. The players and owners will lockout another season. That are by far the most stubborn and stupidest people in sports. They are part of the best game in the world, and yet. they are at best only fourth in North America.

  19. whiteyandharry - Oct 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Fehr is and has always been a merde-bird. But, the real rat-bastards in this mess are owners and the diminutive rodent-face, Bettman. I know he and his ilk will say that disgruntled people like will be back immediately following the end of their abuse of me. They’re wrong! I have invested over forty years into emotion, money and love into the NHL. Go to Hell! Die and rot! NEVER again, you bastards! NEVER! What is it, 110 days or so till Pitchers & Catchers report? Geez, 110 inches . . . that about twicew the height of the dwarfish Rattman. Had this dwarf grown up in my old neighborhood, he’d either grown a set of onions or have become Commissioner of the NHL!

    • superross - Oct 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM

      I couldn’t have said it better myself. Man you hit the nail on the head!

  20. csilojohnson - Oct 28, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    F these M Fing A Holes!

  21. rbern11162 - Oct 28, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Cancel the season , I wonder when will Donald fehr realize he isn’t dealing with the the baseball owners . These guys would rather cancel the season then loose money. Donald fehr wake up . You are going on a Missouri boat ride and throwing the players off the barge as you go.

  22. rbern11162 - Oct 28, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    The moment the players hired this pant load , this day was set in motion

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