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NHL to pull latest proposal off table

Oct 25, 2012, 4:16 PM EST

Gary Bettman; Bill Daly; Bob Betterman AP

Barring some sort of miracle, the NHL will withdraw its current offer to the players tomorrow.

“When we delivered the proposal last Tuesday, we told them it would be on the table through today,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told ESPN.com’s Pierre LeBrun Thursday. “Having not reached agreement through today, I expect that we’ll formally notify the union Friday that the proposal is no longer on the table. We’re going to take it back internally and figure out where we go from here.”

The move should come as no surprise as the offer to the NHLPA was made on the condition of a full 82-game season. The league has maintained a full season isn’t possible unless it starts by Nov. 2, one week from tomorrow.

According to LeBrun, the NHL will likely announce tomorrow that games are canceled through November. The Winter Classic (Jan. 1) and All-Star Game (Jan. 27) are expected to remain on the schedule, but possibly not for long.

Meanwhile, it’s back to the drawing board for ideas on how to reach a new CBA.

Related: “Lock them in a room until they reach a verdict,” says Lamoriello

  1. soj83 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    thanks guys!

    • elemeno89 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM

      knew this was going to happen, but it still hurts to read.

      hockey, as a “member” of the big four, is no where near the spotlight that these gentlemen think it is. now among us, its a horrible thing to go through. but when compared to football, baseball, hell even basketball, no one really cares.

      they need to realize that they are hurting the sport arguing over millions that were ALREADY agreed upon.

      ill come back, ill always come back. but this will, and i can almost guarantee it, kill the league and everything that it had accomplished over the last seven years. it’s a shame really.

      now back to my ahl, khl and juniors. at least they seem to care…

      • soj83 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:48 PM

        i am with you 100 %, there is an ECHL and CHL (Central hockey league) team near where i live. these guys play hard with a very small chance of making the NHL.

    • dwaynel91 - Oct 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM

      Just a bummer hockey was starting to build its fan base up. I live in original hockeytown USA. And we are fortunates to have a Division 1, 2 junior A teams in town, and across the river we have OHL, and a NOJHL teams to watch. So many dedicated NHL fans worldwide, and its hurting all of us, Not to mention all the Arena workers, bars restaurants, hotels etc. Gonna mske for a long winter, hoping this can be Settled!!!

  2. noisetheorem - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    I knew it was a mistake getting into hockey a few years back. Fan lost. Not coming back.

    • habsman - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM

      You’ll be back, the game is just too good to ignore.

    • richter35lundqvist30 - Oct 26, 2012 at 2:11 PM

      You’re gonna have to return your LA Kings snapback then.

  3. Stiller43 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    Meh, its a stunt by the nhl. “take this offer or else!!!”

    The players can sit back and play cool even when they pull it off the table. The nhl knows to get a deal done, they’re going to have to put a similar deal “back on” the table anyway…

    Both sides lose money the longer it drags out, eventually one will cave…the deal that will get it done probably sits somewhere in the middle of what the PA offered and what the owners offered.

    I dont care too much for a deal that will get hockey back asap, i care they make a deal that will keep something like this from happening again for a LONG time. Obviously you’d love to have both, but if either side settles for immediate benefits, watch for another problem soon.

    Go pens!

  4. dancloutier39 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Can’t wait for the NHLPA to pull the salary cap off the table.

  5. jasol20 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    So now this proposal is off the table and we’re back to where we started. This week the players’ union wants to meet and the league says “No.” Daly even says he’s “not sure there’s anything to meet about” or something to that effect. I’m pretty sure whatever they wanted to get in a room and talk about wasn’t unicorns and princesses and at least would’ve been a step in the right direction. Sorry Bill Daly, your work schedule must be too busy what with all the NOT HAVING A SEASON!

    Just frustrating at this point more than anything else….

  6. mmchugh619 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    “We’re going to take it back internally and figure out where we go from here” – How about you all go to h-e-double hockey sticks. Your destroying the best game on earth. Bettman is nothing more then a spoiled bully – ” Do it my way, or I’m not talking.” The GMs have got to start speaking up like Lou in NJ did. Only thing I’d change from his comments is that I would lock Bettman in a closet, and let the others figure it out.

  7. nysportsexchange - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Enough is enough already. This needs to get settled soon. http://nysportsexchange.blogspot.com/

  8. habsman - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    I guess Don Fehr the PA think they’re still bluffing?

    • chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM

      Ya… which is why half the players took off to play overseas… Cause they thought they were bluffing.

      • habsman - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:10 PM

        No chris, the reason they “took off to play overseas” is because they’re hypocrytes. As members of the NHLPA, they see no problem in taking away jobs from fellow players in Europe and elsewhere. Good union guys eh?

  9. chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    That proposal was garbage anyways – Sign Every NHL Player.

  10. ludacrish05 - Oct 25, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    YOU’RE HURTING ALL THE FANS IN THIS WORLD AND WE ARE THE ONES THAT BRING YOU PAYCHECKS

  11. chiadam - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Unacceptable to set a deadline a week ago to save this sorry excuse of a league and then meet fir one hour between then and now. At least the NBA and NFL tried.

  12. id4joey - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Fans, this move was expected, the offer was conditional so we should not be surprised. Perhaps this confirms the loss of an 82 schedule but I still believe its possible to get a full season in if they come to terms in the next 2 weeks.

    • woodstakes - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

      Your CRAZY if you think the NHL’s next proposal is going to be any different. It’s quite simple, the owners want 50/50 split, to not have to honor agreed upon contracts, extend the life of free agency, lower the life of entry level contracts, limit arbitration rights, lower length of contracts (which I happen to agree with)… and it’s really pretty simple. They PA would pretty much agree to most everything as long as they get paid THEY’RE CONTRACTS! PERIOD! Until the owners/league realizes these guys are serious about they’re contracts, cuz the players will sit the whole year and then some i’d bet, then this thing is going to go on and on and on. And what are the owners going to do??? Huh? Are they going to suit up? They going to get replacements? Yeah, go ahead and do that. And when all the best are in the KHL, watch ESPN pick up the KHL full time and market these games. Bye, bye NHL!! Hey, Bettman don’t let the door hit you in ass on the way out!

      • id4joey - Oct 26, 2012 at 7:17 AM

        The issues this time around are very different than they were last time. Last lockout the owners absulutely wanted the salay cap. The players, most owners, NHL and the game have done very well since the 04-05 lockout. The issue today is about numbers not about major chanhge as was the case in 04-05. Look, when a team signs one of the best fighters in the league who had 5 goals 12 assists last year, to a $10 millon contract over 4 years you know the players are doing extramely well. That my friend is crazy.

  13. sippindasyzurp - Oct 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    When there actually is news that a deal will be done, no one will know about it.. Everything will get done behind the scenes… That’s how these things happen… And if the NHLPA thinks that it will take the Salary Cap off then you mine as well kiss the NHL goodbye…

    The players say “whats in this deal for them”? How about getting paid handsomely for playing a sport?? Chartered flights, unlimited access to first rate medical treatment!!

    And can someone tell me when players salaries have ever declined?? There always going to keep going up anyway!

    57% was last CBA, that is expired, everyone is at Zero now.. Maybe they should just send these fools to Afganistan and then ask them how badly they wanna play hockey for a living.

    • dyrdom77 - Oct 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      I agree with you 100%

    • arysoh - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

      Wow are you missing some key points! These are contracts that the owners agreed to. It’s not as if there is a lock out because the players are demanding more money on pre existing contracts. No, they are fighting to retain what the owners legally owe them. 50/50 is reasonable but to sit there and say we signed players too much money is ludicrous, it is not the players fault that some of these owners are terrible business men. I guess you’d be happy with a pay cut as long as you had food on you’re table and you know what if you’re not you can go to Afghanistan and then see how you feel about it.

  14. id4joey - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Simply to set the record straight. Players don’t always get 100% of money owed. It all depends on HRR/escrow funds.

  15. phillyphanatic77 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    I am so sick of Bettman and the owners using bullying tactics as their negotiating tool. There shouldn’t be a ticking clock on an offer that can act as a building block to get this ridiculous lockout settled. We get it Gary you want the players to accept an offer on your terms. Quit being a dick and think about what benefits the league as whole, not just what will help your salary grow another 115% by the next lockout. The players have essentially agreed that 50/50 is a viable option, but then the other side keeps trying to redefine HRR, get out of the contracts they just gave out, and eliminate the players ability to switch teams as much as possible. I don’t understand how he thinks it’s legitimately fair to essentially force the players to agree to all their demands. It’s either “you take this offer and lose money now or refuse and lose a whole years salary, and maybe more”. I always thought Bettman was a condescending little weasel but now I have serious contempt for the man. Worst commissioner in sports, by far.

    • chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM

      I couldn’t agree with you more. You can tell how arrogant this guy is. The owners don’t want to compromise, the Players have shown willingness to. The Players have agreed to give things up, can anyone name one thing the owners have agreed to give up?

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        What have the players been willing to give up? The owners came at the players with a 50/50 split. The players are the ones giving bs proposals that doesn’t get close to 50/50 and the other proposals it takes 3 years at minimum to get there.

      • chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:00 PM

        @greatminnesotasportmind (Atleast that is what you think) – The players offered a 50-50 split. They want their current contracts honored. That big storm of signings to monster contracts the last year was the owners fault. They never really intended to pay them. I think the players are right to demand they honor their contracts. The players are also reasonable as they have agreed to take less money and move to a 50-50 split once the current contracts are honored. This during a time when the NHL has gotten a MONSTER TV contract, biggest one they have ever had. This also when we had 7 years of record revenue. So the players are willing to take less money in a time where the NHL is thriving. Sounds to me like the players are the reasonable ones.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM

        The players offer doesn’t reach 50/50 until at least year 3 in any proposal, one of them didn’t have a 50/50 split at all. Sure, the NHL has the biggest TV in its sports history, but it is still pennies on the dollar compared to the NFL and NBA who makes a larger revenue pot than the NHL. They are at 50/50 with their new CBAs they worked out in the past year. No reason why the players can’t right away either. Until the players realize where they are in the realm of sports, way behind the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NASCAR. Barely beating out the likes of the WNBA, MLS, Scrabble, and pool we won’t have hockey

      • vibes98 - Oct 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM

        Yeah, THE SEASON!!!

    • woodstakes - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:24 AM

      @greatminnesotasportsmind

      And why is it do you think the players are asking for a 53%, 52%, 51%, 50%… because if they go straight to 50/50 they KNOW that they cannot get paid the contracts that were offered to them this summer and all of last year. If you think for a second the players are going to take an offer that does not pay them nearly or at least what they got paid last year, your as crazy as the owners who gave out those contracts. They are not going to get slapped with a 24% cut and salary cap last time and take another slap like that again this time. NO WAY! And who can blame them, who CARES if its about millionaires.. its the principal here. If you were offered a $80k contract and you signed it then came to work and were told, “Well, actually we made more money than EVER before last year and the year before that, oh and the year before that, BUT we’re not going to pay you $80k we’re going to pay you $65k…” you’d tell them to get bent!! WTF is the difference! None. And what are the owner going to do?? Get replacements?? Good luck with that. While your playing replacements making $100k a year and all the greats are overseas in the KHL, bye bye NHL! ESPN would snap up a TV contract with the KHL so fast it would make the owners think that having a failing team in Phoenix woulda been worth it all the while!

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:52 AM

        Ok that’s great and all, but while the players are in the KHL making less than they would in the NHL, half the teams are losing less money but simply not even opening the doors to the arenas. The owners are still making their money on the record breaking tv contracts the NHL signed. ESPN can have the KHL, but of only 2 million people are watching the Stanley Cup Finals between the 2 biggest markets (LA and New York/Jersey) on national network television in prime time, how many are going to watch the KHL on ESPN during the middle of the day? Good luck getting 500,000

      • phillyphanatic77 - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM

        Greatminnesotasportsmind- I get your points but what’s really going on in this situation, if you break it down is this: the owners believe that they can make the most ridiculous demands of the players (while playing it off as if they’re making huge sacrifices, compared to their initial offer, when they’re really losing nothing and gaining a ton) because they are using the 04-05 lockout as the template for negotiations. They know by holding out a full year the players will give in to all their demands again, while at the same time the teams that were in the red over the past years are saving a huge amount of money by not having to pay regular in-season costs. So it benefits them greatly to hold out for everything. The players, on the other hand, have already conceded that they will have to accept atleast 7% less in HRR. They simply want the contracts given to them by the owners, under the cba that was implemented by the owners, to be honored. The owners now are acting like they’re making a huge sacrifice with their “make whole” bs which would only have to honor the first two years of the contracts they gave out literally minutes before the cba expired. That’s not a concession! That’s another win for the owners! And Bettman thinks the players and the fans are blind to this fact, that we’re too dumb to realize what their last offer really meant. I don’t see what’s so fundamentally appalling to Bettman that the stars of the game, who make him $8 mil a year, want the money that was promised to them with a legally binding contract. I can guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot, and the owners weren’t having their contracts fulfilled, they would take legal action to recoup every single penny owed to them. The bottom line is Bettman is willing to gamble the record revenues and never before seen fan support simply to improve the portfolios of the owners, and more importantly himself. If he was doing his job, and taking into account the welfare of the game, he would consider revenue sharing coinciding with a more even HRR split. This isn’t about revamping a dying dull sport like it was in ’04. No this is about a power trip where the financiers of the NHL have watched as the players received more than half of the $3.3 billion in revenue and they say “that should be us”. They want more than 50/50, they want the players percentage to be closer to their 43% and that is why they attempted to pull the wool over our eyes by redefining HRR then telling us it’s an even offer. And that is why there was a ticking clock on the offer, to assure that they get the biggest piece of the pie. I may not like Fehr, and I know the millionaire players don’t understand our working class struggles, but they atleast acknowledge the fans pay their salaries. The owners and Bettman couldnt care less what we think because we’re nothing more than a number in a system that makes them rich. They know most of us will back no matter how poorly they treat us. It’s for this to end, for hockey to start, and for Bettman to go back to the NBA as Sterns replacement. Sadly, it seems none of those things will happen any time soon.

  16. mgp1219 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  17. greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    If I’m the NHL next offer I give is 55% owners and 45% players.

    • paperlions - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM

      Ah yes, because that would be constructive. If the NHL folds, the players can play hockey elsewhere….not sure what the “owners” will do.

    • chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:02 PM

      Ya real smart there genius, I’m sure that will get a deal done real soon. I can see why you call yourself a great sports mind.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:18 AM

      Okay great let them go over seas. Meanwhile half the league is losing less money by not playing hockey and are still collecting tv revenue money.

      The older players don’t want to end their careers in a lockout like 240 players did last time. The younger players were all reassigned to the ahl the day before the lockout and getting paid a small portion of their salary. It’s the players that are in between that are going to be hurting the league

    • arysoh - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      Go back to working at Burger King, you have written some of the dumbest, dull witted dribble about the NHL lock out I have read, greatest idiot of Minnesota.

  18. sabatimus - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    There’s only one printable word I can say to this. You. The other word comes just before it.

  19. nysportsexchange - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Time for the owners to stop posturing and make a deal

  20. mgp1219 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    In the future, whenever Bettman appears on the ice at any NHL arena for any reason, he should be booed mercilessly until he just gives up and walks off he ice. When that happens, then there should be a standing ovation until he disappears from sight.

    • ron05342 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:55 PM

      Because you can’t boo the players, right?

      Is that your idea of logic?

      • mgp1219 - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM

        No. It’s because this is the 4th LOCKOUT in 20 years and also because the owners agreed to some hefty contracts recently knowing full well that they were going to have this lockout and try to use it as a ploy to not honor those contracts. That’s just blatant abuse of power.

    • chrisvegas - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM

      I agree with you. He should be booed as he is the worst GM in sports history. 3 lockouts in 20 years is a disgrace. Oh and pay no mind to ron05342 as he is on Bettman’s nutsack.

  21. buffalo65 - Oct 25, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Just sign the deal and find loopholes to exploit like last time.

    • id4joey - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM

      That’s right! Owners need the CBA to protect themselves.

      • id4joey - Oct 26, 2012 at 7:22 AM

        I meant to protect themselves from themselves.

  22. jeb7524 - Oct 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    No NHL? I am a lifelong fan, but who cares? Navy hockey is entertaining enough for me.

  23. dawglb - Oct 25, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Obviously, as of right now, the fans want a season. However, the longer this goes, they will get pi$$ed and hope they just cancel the second half, too. Half of them will never cone back. In this economy, when people are having their incomes shrink, they will not renew season tickets again…..They better not pull the same crap as the NBA, and have opening day on a Holiday. That is cheesy.

  24. bleed4philly - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    I’m going to solve the problem right now: split the revenue 50/50 but only under the following condition: the league must ensure that revenues will increase 10% every year for the next five years. The NHL can start by getting better a tv contract. The dodgers and lakers alone made billions on their recent tv contracts. If the kings, who just won the cup btw, could get half what the other LA teams got, and split that revenue equally among the NHL, with all other major markets like boston, new york, chicago, toronto, philly, etc. following suit, massive revenue gained, problem solved.

  25. blomfeld - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM

    “NUTS”

    Those who are fellow students of history will know that this “terse yet simple” reply was given by the commander of besieged US forces at Bastogne, in response to the German terms of surrender issued on December 22, 1944. Of course the rest is history and “good” prevailed in the end, just as it always should. Yet so should it be here, in terms of our collective response to the ever-increasing “hysteria” now being perpetrated by the concerned NHL parties themselves and the media whom they finance. “Nuts” say we to you wealthy parasites ! You will not frighten us with your lame and hollow threats of a cancelled season ! .. not today, not tomorrow, not even the day after that ! Rather, you people will continue with your pathetic “charade” for approximately 14 more days and then you will announce that “magical” breakthrough “as per” instructed by Comrade Bettman …

    “stand fast” fellow hockey fans … this fake “garbage” is about to end shortly ! :)

    • blomfeld - Oct 26, 2012 at 1:53 AM

      Keep your chin up friends … she’ll be right ! :)

  26. irokkit - Oct 26, 2012 at 7:17 AM

    Dear stupidsportsmind

    I am making dinner for you and a guest to Dinner tomorrow night.
    Filet mignon. . Seared asparagus, twice baked potatoes, some fine wine, strawberry shortcake for desert
    …when you arrive at my door I will offer a sorry lame story about how I was unable to carry out my end of the deal. No dinner is ready for you. I convince you to go to McDonalds to puck up some dinner for all. After we are done wrangling, you agree. Then I tell you I have no money in my pocket and ask you to pick up the tab. But I’ll repay you tomorrow. You agree because your starving. Reluctantly you head to McDonalds. When you get back, the lights are out, the doors are locked and nobody is home.
    Congratulations. I am an Owner and you are a Player. How ya doin now?!

  27. 1clumsybear - Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 AM

    Here is the CBA:
    50/50
    no cut of existing contracts
    salary cap tied up to the revenue from the previous season or two
    And, of course, fire weasel Bettman

  28. augsburg12 - Oct 26, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Scrap the league. Set new rules. Start the tryouts. Problem solved

  29. Happy RVing by White Horse RV Center - Oct 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    If anyone wanted to try a new start up league to complete with these a-holes, now would be the time. I don’t even know what to say to this. The leauge got everything they wanted last deal, made great money since then, and still want to play hardball. As for the “small market” teams that aren’t making money, I’m all for stability and giving them a fair chance to make it, but there comes a point where you need to go in another direction. Stop trying to save Phoenix, and you should move FLA as far as I’m concerned. Phx to Seattle; FLA to Quebec and you have two more strong markets and two less weak ones, +4.

  30. id4joey - Oct 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Guys, we all need to chili and be patient here. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the solution. Someone is going to eventually give in. There is no way a lockout will benefit either sides. If we don’t have a solution by end of Nov. then we unleash our wrath. In the mean time let the big shots take care of their business. Oh! Certainly we can give our opinions, but stay positive. Some of you are acting like spoiled players/owners.

  31. bennywuh - Oct 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    The Fans need closure; just cancel the season already

  32. slinky926 - Oct 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    And again EVERYONE forgets about the “little people” that make a living off hockey and other type arena events, the folks that work in vending, parking lots, just everything, those people that rely on this sport to help support their income from EVENTS happening. These are the ones I feel SORRY for they have nothing in this and are the REAL LOSERS in the strike!!, oops lockout, WHAT-EVER!!!. And PLEASE some TV corp. make a deal with AHL, KHL or ECHL or European league (sorrry don’t know there name) to COVER some HOCKEY for us, PLEASE???.

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