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Not even close: NHL shoots down NHLPA’s response

Oct 18, 2012, 4:05 PM EDT

Bettman

Today was a “step backward” in CBA negotiations, according to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.

Bettman delivered the bad news shortly after the NHLPA presented the NHL with three proposals as a response to the offer the league made Tuesday.

Not one of those three proposals was acceptable to the owners.

“It’s clear we’re not speaking the same language in terms of what they came back to us with,” said Bettman, who called the NHL’s last offer “the best that we could do.”

“I am to say the least thoroughly disappointed,” he added.

It is now more unlikely than ever that the NHL will be able to play a full 82-game schedule.

“I don’t know what the next step is,” said Bettman, who will return to New York from Toronto. “I’m obviously very discouraged.”

Here’s Bettman:

  1. braddavery - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    Wonderful.

  2. spongebobsportspants - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Stupid players. Turning point in the P.R. battle.

    • sjshark714 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM

      probably exactly what the NHL wanted… and they will get it. I still say both sides are deep up their own asses… but how do you turn down a 50/50 split? Players look like serious douche-bags in this.

      • trick9 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM

        How do you turn down a 50/50 split? By accepting that proposal players wouldn’t have let alone lose part of their salary, but also accept other issues in that offer, such as unrestricted free agency year later, arbitration year later.

        Why would the players be stupid enough to give away those, when they are already giving away part of their salary. The owners should be giving up on those ridiculous contract demands (5-year maximum) if they want to get that 50/50 split. They can’t get everything.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:33 PM

        Hard not to agree. I’ve backed the players throughout this thing, but now that the NHL has balked first any remaining time missed is on those players. They’re not going to get the owners to give any more ground than this. Why not take the deal and get back to playing hockey?

      • hockeyflow33 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM

        Because it isn’t a true split. It’s a headline grabber because the NHL knows most people are morons and only rely on headlines for their information

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

        The owners have all the leverage in this situation. They can afford to miss more time than the players can. And yet they’ve given ground, even though it’s not a true 50/50 split. The reality of this situation is that now it is the players’ turn to give some ground, even if doing so doesn’t seem “fair.”

      • sdelmonte - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        You turn down a 50/50 split because the players are the ones making the money. No one buys a ticket to see the owners.

      • trick9 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:58 PM

        ”The reality of this situation is that now it is the players’ turn to give some ground”

        That must be most idiotic comment ive read so far.

        Few facts from last CBA:
        – 57-43 revenue split (owners want 50-50)
        – No maximum contract lenghts (owners want 5 now)
        – Unrestricted free agency after 8 years or age of 28 (now 7 and 27)
        – Salary arbitration after 4 years (owners want after 5)

        Those are all facts that players are giving away from the last CBA. So please share if you have some hidden information about what the owners are actually given up?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        My point is that this is a negotiation and the owners are the first group to budge from their initial position, so now the players have to do the same. I don’t think what the players will have to give up is any too reasonable or fair, but that’s not what a negotiation is about.

    • lordfletcher - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM

      so they had a meeting to just say no??? Couldn’t they have done this over the telephone.

      I don’t get what the players and Don are trying to do here and I now expect a full year lockout for the first time.

      The players need to understand that their demands are too high and need to negotiate with reason, not just demands and always saying no.

      • botlecap - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

        the players aren’t really demanding anything. they are fine with continuing the last contract. ALL of the demands being made for this lock-out are being made by the owners.

        the owners are saying that the last contract is no longer acceptable and are demanding that it be drastically changed. their most recent offer was essentially the same as the first, except that they figured out how to achieve the same immediate and lasting reduction in player salaries in a clever public relations package.

      • lordfletcher - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:03 PM

        I agree and….

        I understand the owners are making the demands, but the players are making the equal demand back refusing to take a pay cut or at least one that makes financial sense for half of the teams in the NHL. I am not choosing sides but to me as a common fan, I understand exactly the owners situation and can’t comprehend the players. They are getting paid to play a game and risk nothing themselves but their health.

        We truly do not know how much certain owners are making or losing but if Forbes is reporting that 15 teams lose money each year, obviously things need to change….. I honestly haven’t spent enough time reading all the proposals from either side so I really shouldnt be commenting on the topic as much as I should… just wishfully hoping this gets done soon, but Fehr is impossible to break and the only thing breaking is my spirt and the hopes for a full season.

        sigh

      • pkeenan2012 - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:07 PM

        trick9 you’ve done your homework. The owners want the palyers to take a 15% paycut, and they want to limit them form increasing their earnings in the future. Plus they want the rollback or escrow so that the inflated and long term contracts that they just gave out in the months pior to the lock out actually cost the players in the future. Doesn’t sound like the best offer the owners could come up with. Yet Bettman says it is.

    • cory4200 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

      What do you mean stupid players? With out thous stupid players you wouldn’t have these jackass owners!!!

  3. davebabychreturns - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    *sad trombone*

  4. sjsharks66 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    What a surprise! Not really. Everyone should have known this was going to happen. Probably asked for 45-55

  5. bennywuh - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Jackwagon

  6. stangz11 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    If the players asked for more than 50% then we can all agree who the problem is right now..

    • bennywuh - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:17 PM

      Take a slap shot to the face and then see if you feel the same way

      • iownyou2 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

        Id gladly take the risk to make millions. If you say different you are an idiot.

      • davebabychreturns - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

        I’d rather have enough money that I could own a hockey team for chump change, personally..

      • stakex - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

        Ummm I’ve taken a slapshot to the face playing for free…. why? Because I love the sport of hockey. If I was making even $750k a year playing hockey I would be very happy.

        The thing peopel always ignore is that the players have no stake in how well the NHL is doing. What happens when the NHL has a horrible year and instead of growing at 7%, actually sees a reduction in profits? The players still get paid what their contract says, and its the owners that take the hit.

        If the players were willing to accept a deal where their income was based on how well the NHL was doing, points like this would make more sense…. but while its the owners taking 100% of the risk, you just look foolish.

      • pkeenan2012 - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

        Owners are willing to take financial hits over long periods of time as they don’t care about the game. All they care about is selling off their asset in 10-15 years at a huge profit. They also can right off most of the loss, and if they make a profit they can hide it in some other losing enterprise they own. The players are not simply employees they ARE the product. And how is it the owners and Mr Bettman couldn’t figure out a solution to these issues the last 2 CBA’s They gladly took the franchise fees when they let these small market teams into the league. Now they don’t want equal revenue shareing. It doesn’t add up

  7. islesjb - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    FKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKington

  8. steelhammer92 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Is anyone actually surprised? Hopefully the offers weren’t so ridiculous to the point of insulting, and negotiations can continue.

  9. greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Players are the looking like the greedy ones. To be fair, it may not be the players themselves. Thanks Fehr Bros. you effing jack (explicit)s.

  10. martysbetter - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    I will be buying my NBA League Pass tonight.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      No news is bad enough to force me to resort to basketball. Not even if they cancel the full season. Basketball sucks.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:27 PM

        Amen to that.

      • gbsoccer6 - Oct 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM

        racist

  11. ron05342 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Go kcuf yourself, Donald Fehr. What a major a-hole.

  12. capesouth - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Fail. Well, not that it’s the end of it but the NHLPA will have to come back quickly with something discussable or they’re screwed. I’m not on either side here but when one side steps forward and at least starts a discussion, the other side needs to compensate a little to keep the conversation going. The NHLPA knows what will or won’t fly and yet they offer 3 CBAs that don’t even spark a conversation. That’s on them. Even if it’s a deal that the NHL won’t accept, at least make it something that they can discuss. just like the offer a couple days ago. The NHLPA had no intention of agreeing to that but it re-started the process of figuring this out. The offers today needed to do the same thing but they failed. Bad.

    • capesouth - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

      There is too much time where they are not sitting face to face. They need to sit in a room and stare at each other for hours on end until somebody says something useful. This crap where they get together for a few minutes and then break for three weeks isn’t going to solve anything. Stay in a room all day and fight about it until there is an inkling of progress.

  13. muckthefets - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    I’m with Ron, Fehr is a friggin cancer, and somebody needs to step up to remove him by force. If there is no season I will blame that piece of s**t for the whole thing.

  14. tfaltin - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    It was nice to have hope for a day…I want to see the details of the three proposals before forming an opinion, but either way it is a huge let down. Don’t let the term 50-50 fool you about the NHL owners proposal though. When you need to take away from your future earnings to pay for your initial paycut, it’s not compensation, and it’s not 50/50.

    • rabidbillsfan - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

      Listen, I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think you fully understand the situation. The only way what you mentioned in your post doesn’t happen is if they agree to the same terms as the last CBA, and if that was the case, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Coming down from the 57% will require roll backs and such, it is ineveitable. What the Players need to realize, and I said this yesterday, is that the Pie will continue to grow as long as the game is played. So, while you may have to roll back 7% now, in 5 years, you could be making 12-15% more than you were at the 7%. With no deal, that will never happen. However, if this drags on for, say, the whole season, then that pie will be much smaller, so if they come down from that 57% to say, 52% (Which is where I think it will end up) then it will be a larger hit than if they got something done now. Revenues will already be down, due to the lack of games being played, but the overall intrest of the game is at stake, and that affects everybody. You also can’t say “The players want the best deal, and deserve it, because they are putting their bodies on the line”. Um, if that was the case, they wouldn’t be signing overseas for actual peanuts, all professional athlets knowingly pursue carrers with the potential for bodily harm simply because that is “easiest” way to make alot of money. This is the case of one side wanting the best they can get because they know what they got the last time will never happen again.

      • tfaltin - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        I think the players would take 50% if the compensation came from the owners part in the long term. The pie should grow, you and I and everyone else believes it will. With a 50/50 split and compensation coming from the owners across a few years, the players could be fully compensated in the short term, and the owners would have a larger slice in the long term. Doesn’t that sound like a gradual slide down from 57 to 50%, and wouldn’t that just be fair?

        The NHL has stated it wants long term stability, so that long term vision should see beyond the compensation they agreed to with their players. Granted, some of the contracts they signed were absurd, but whose fault is that really? They dictated the market value of the players and don’t want to live with it.

        I like a lot of what the owners did in their proposal. Their concept of having the top 10 earning teams help other franchises was refreshing, and I think contracts should be reduced in length for the health of the league. I just don’t see CBA’s as an opportunity for re-dos.

  15. travishenryskid - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    Fire the players, tell whoever wants to play for the deal the NHL proposed is welcome to play under those terms. Play the season with replacements. As soon as the players in Europe or not playing at all realize they don’t have a better life, they will crawl back from out of there holes. Gradually, things will return to normal. Who cares if Ovechkin and a few others stay? Not me. Nobody pittys you and your $3 million salary.

    • trick9 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      Replacements? Where do you think you would find replacement players? And more importantly, where would you find enough replacement fans?

      Fans don’t watch the league because it’s named NHL. They watch it because it provides best hockey in the world, and you can’t replace that by bringing in people from the streets to play.

      Thing is that NHL isn’t the only league in the world and once the word would go out that all the NHL players have terminated their contracts there would be some very rich people who would see the same opportunity to make huge money, just like NHL is making now.

      • fairbs - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:17 PM

        I agree. This is a very dangerous game the owners are playing. And as a fan, I think it would be very hard to be a fan of a European or Russian Team, but I’m sure I would at some point.

      • travishenryskid - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        The replacements would be the teammates of the NHL players who left for Europe. Or better yet, the guys who lost their jobs to NHL players in Europe. You don’t think those guys would play for less money, just for a sniff of the NHL lifestyle? First class planes, top hotels, everything they all dream about. Not good enough for these brainwashed players though.

  16. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Hey Donald Fehr:

    You just made Gary Bettman the good guy. When you realize how unbelievably douchey you have to be to make that happen, you’ll probably end up killing yourself. And no one will miss you when you do.

    Just an advanced warning.

    • chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

      And you fell for the Owners PR stunt. Good job nitwit.

  17. aspinaci - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    I say screw them both. What a giant mess.

  18. x50cal - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    I’m sure the NHL deal wasn’t that good. Just cuz they say its 50/50 doesn’t mean everything else was good. Still behind the players!

    • capesouth - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:41 PM

      Each side has legit gripes, for sure… but it was the player’s turn to reciprocate, even a little, and keep the conversation going…not to offer three CBAs that don’t even keep the groups in a room together for an hour. Fehr said the offer a couple days ago would exclude the PA from $1.6 billion. That is a major claim, and whether it is completely true or not doesn’t matter, he obviously has concern about being screwed. At least come back with something that prolongs the discussion. Instead we are sitting here, after a short meeting, back to where we started.

      • chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

        No the owners really don’t have any legit gripes. They are the ones who overspend and have mismanaged their franchises and now they want the Players and the fans to bail them out. The owners are the problem. They players need to stand their ground and real knowledgeable fans will stand behind them, Looks like you drank the Kool-Aid from the Owners PR stunt.

      • capesouth - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

        Chris, get real. How is acknowledging both sides considered ‘drinking the kool-aid’? Your reaction proves your inability to see anyone’s perspective but your own. Your perspective is the same perspective that is causing the problem with the negotiations. There are two sides to this issue and going all in on one side will lead to the entire year being lost. It looks more like you are unrealistic and have blindly accepted this notion that the players can do no wrong. Not productive.

      • fairbs - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM

        The NHL provided their proposal and says there’s nothing more we can do. Fehr (& player representatives) review the plan thoughtfully for a couple of days and counter with three plans and Bettman immediately says no. More my way or the highway from the owners.

        I can’t help the Teams who play where there is little interest or have owners that are incompetent. I don’t see how they think the players should make up for league mistakes. And I also don’t really believe that 14 Teams are in bad shape. Why wouldn’t more Teams be trying to sell or move if that was the case.

        No I really feel that the latest move by the NHL was to shift the balance in the PR war against the players and from a lot of these comments it appears to be working.

  19. theawesomersfranchise - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

  20. ryan02190 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    UNFEHR

  21. chrisk61 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    the players are at 57%. and the owners let them get there. why should the players go all the way to 50% ? they should agree that the players come in below 55% and that they arrive at 50% over time.

    • bhawksrule - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:49 PM

      because this happens. locked out. no NHL hockey all year.

  22. kyzslew77 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Shocked at the number of down votes in this thread for any comments pointing out that the owners’ offer wasn’t that great. (Can’t wait to see how many down votes this one gets!) It was definitely WAY WAY better than their September offer, but it was still bad in a lot of ways. It wasn’t actually a 50/50 split going forward–it would be 50/50 in 2012-13, which would mean a lot of players would lose salary this year (to escrow) because their contracts were signed with the 57/43 split from the last CBA. The owners said the players that lost money to escrow would get it back over time, which is true. They would eventually get the money out of escrow and make all the money they were owed in 2012-13. The problem is, any money paid out of that escrow would count AGAINST the amount the players were due to receive in future years! So if 2% of all 2012-2013 revenue went into escrow to ensure the 50/50 2012-2013 split, and all that money was to be paid to players in 2013-2014 (not the case but let’s assume it is for the sake of example), then in 2013-2014 the revenue pie would actually be split 52% owners/48% players. This is what Fehr meant when he said “players paying themselves.” It was a shady offer (in that sense) from the owners. That part of it needs to go away before the players should think about accepting it. There were also other bad aspects like the extra year before free agency, the fact that AHL salaries of 2 way players count against the cap, etc. I want hockey as much as any of us and I hate that the players presented counteroffers that the league doesn’t like, but it’s dumb to say that the players should have taken this offer. It wasn’t even a 50/50 split.

    ($5 says most of the people who give me down votes here have no idea what escrow is or how it would work in this dispute)

    • capesouth - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

      Also, the owners low-balled their first offer so just because they have come up from their first low ball offer, doesn’t mean they are making huge compromises. People are emotional because there was some hope there for a bit. I do blame fehr for making offers that don’t even spark conversation. this goes nowhere if they don’t talk and at least the owners initiated that conversation a few days ago.

    • elvispocomo - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM

      Your wall of text may have something to do with it as well.

  23. chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Well we are dissappointed in YOU Gary Buttman. You are the worst commissioner in sports history.

    • bennywuh - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:27 PM

      And to think, he was – in part – hired to resolve union issues….. try again boys.

  24. jmbates10 - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    The devil is always in the details and that is what is happening here……not good. I never thought I’d say this but the season might be down the tubes. Hard to believe they can’t figure out a way to split over 3B in revenue.

  25. kitshky - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    So judging by the comments here it looks like we’ve proved one thing at least … the fans are as gullible and simple minded as the NHL suspected / hoped they’d be. Throw them a few (fully predictable) PR bones and regardless of what the facts may actually be, they’ll be on your side.

    Apparently (almost) everyone here got to look through both the NHL’s offer and the NHLPA’s three offers fully, and now have a better understanding about what was actually in them … than literally anyone not immediately involved in the negotiations..

    No one here has any idea what the NHL’s offer actually entailed outside of a few carefully selected talking points, and no one has any idea what was in the NHLPA’s three offers except that Gary Bettman was disappointed, BUT … apparently Fehr’s an idiot, Bettman’s “winning”, and anyone who feels otherwise is an idiot.

    Honestly, we all want hockey but do try and grow up a little.

  26. ducksk - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    I am so pissed at them all. I can’t see strait, I love the game and the NHL. Time for the players to start there own league (good luck with that), stay over seas, or take what is offered and swallow some pride and loose some ego. Start the new season, under current proposal, see who walks the line and fill up the rest from prospects. Fxck em all. All!

  27. thedavesiknowiknow - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Fehr= ambulance chaser: The lowest form of human life.

  28. ksyeszir - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Wow after reading the comments it seems like the owners proposal did exactly what they wanted it to, got the fans on their side. The players would be stupid to take this deal. They’re the only ones giving up anything while the owners gain everything. Smart move by not signing it. Hold out until you get a fair deal where both sides compromise, not just the players. I’m craving some NHL but I’m still backing the players. Get the deal done but get it done right

    • chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM

      Exactly. This is why corrupt politicians do so well in America… lol… People fall for anything. Fans need to look up the name Frank Lutz who was hired to shift the lockout blame to the players union, and by the way he is doing a excellent job. Ya 50-50 sounds real nice until you realize that there are hundreds of players in the NHL compared to a handful of owners. The Owners also never really moved from their unreasonable demands in the first place. This wasn’t a good offer from the get go. Players did the right thing and should hold tight.

  29. chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    Those fans who think Donald Fehr is public enemy number one fell for the Owners PR stunt. The Owners offer wasn’t a good one and wasn’t a big step forward. It was a HUGE PR stunt for the Owners and it seems alot of NHL fans took the Bait. This deal wasn’t good for the players or good for the fans. I don’t want the NHL players to fold. They should hold out and go play overseas until they get a fair deal. The NHL owners need to be taught a lesson as they will continue to try and take more and more pay each time there is a new agreement needed. The Players folded last time now they need to stand their ground. Gary Bettman is the enemy of hockey, not Donald Fehr.

    • habsman - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

      chrisvegas aka Donald Fehr.

  30. therealjr - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    The owners will win. The players will lose. Of course, when losing means going back to playing hockey for millions of dollars, one wonders why they don’t just accept that fact.

  31. captaincanuck84 - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    I find it absolutely crazy how many people are bad mouthing Don Fehr and the players on this thread. First off, the offer from the NHL was not that impressive for most of the reasons that other posters have pointed out. It was more of a PR move to try and sway public opinion. They offered a 50-50 split yet they are wanting to redefine HRR so in essence it is only 50-50 in “name only”. Secondly, people are bashing the players counter proposals yet there are no details of what the proposals are. How do we know they aren’t offering 50-50 of current HRR while giving some concessions on free agency, arbitration and asking for no escrow. it’s hard to understand how people can post with a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the situation and write such ignorant things!!

  32. girouxvy - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Until I know details of what the players DID actually propose, I am not going to place blame at their feet. These owners seem to be pretty clever as well as shady under Bettman’s reign of terror. This entire situation is disgusting – makes me want to puke. My hope is gone for a season at this point.

  33. aspinaci - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    I’m going on strike and locking myself out too. I won’t purchase center ice for at least two years, I won’t attend any games (I went to 6 last year), and I won’t purchase any NHL merchandise. Just my way of protesting the owners and players.

  34. chrisvegas - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    All those fans falling for the Owners PR stunt, so yourself a favor and look up the name “Frank Luntz”.

    • therealjr - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM

      The PR stunt is on the players. They have bought in that the owners will cave and it’s going to cost them the season. Management always wins, if the players want that, let them go start their own league. Or they can play in the NHL with guaranteed contracts and zero financial risk.

  35. swissdude - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Can’t wait for the NBA season to get underway, and my HEAT kick some Celtics ass….. NHL come back when you all feel like offering Hockey games to your fans

  36. jimw81 - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    well 2012-2013 season is over and idiocy still resides in NHL. A Big Chunk Of The Season Could Be Cancelled Tomorrow

  37. bucrightoff - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    What amazes me more than people defending the PA is why: Because they hate, hate, hate Gary Bettman. Hey I hate the man too…I like hockey a whole lot more. Remember Fehr torpedo’ed the World Series…he doesn’t even like hockey….remember these things please, he’s a leech and a vulture

    • hockeydon10 - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

      Remember what happened in the 18 years since the lost World Series? Zero labor stoppages in the MLB.

      Remember what the NHL commish got us in those same 18 years? Three work stoppages.

      • bucrightoff - Oct 19, 2012 at 9:18 AM

        That’s not really a fair comparision to say they’ve had no labour stoppages. In an uncapped league, like the MLB is, why wouldn’t the players want that? If the NHL was offering to go back to being uncapped I think the players would have accepted in about 1/1000 of a second.

      • hockeydon10 - Oct 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM

        Then it’s also not a fair comment to throw all of this on Fehr.

        Fehr is the figurehead of the players. Bettman is the figurehead of the owners. All four have some responsibility in this; Bettman, Fehr, owners and players. Too many people are crapping on Fehr or the players without stopping to engage their brain.

        And of course the players would go back to no salary cap in an instant. The cap was always intended to stop the owners from harming themselves.

  38. schlitzy - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    at this point I don’t care about any of the specifics about any of the offers from either side. bottom line is one side comes up with an offer, presents it, and the other side says no and slams the door shut. then the other side does the same thing. then they put some BS spin on the whole thing and say the other side won’t negotiate but we’re trying so hard to get this done…support us. the PR battle is ridiculous! I no longer support either side because neither side has shown a willingness to keep a conversation going. neither side has shown me they love this sport as much as the fans do. its heartbreaking. both sides are thinking with their wallets. I understand hockey is a business and both sides want as much as they can get out of it but neither side is doing what is necessary to get back on the ice. which is talking through it all. yell at each other for a few hours. do something to show us you’re truly as passionate about this game as we are. until then I refer back to my earlier post. both sides can go to hell!!!

    • fairbs - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:03 PM

      This is the business side and doesn’t have anything to do about being passionate about hockey. Some of the owners care deeply about hockey, but they also still want profits. Hate to say, but some owners could give two dukes about hockey.

  39. tobie1003 - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    For those of you that think the players are morons, let your boss come to you and tell you be is taking an extra 7% out of you check ever week, how would you like that. This agreement was good enough for the owners 5 yrs ago.

    • therealjr - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM

      I believe airline employees have had to do this numerous times. And 7% of less than six figures is a hell of a lot more meaningful than someone saying you get roughly $1.75M instead of $2M.

  40. flyeredup202 - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    PR stunt or not…. Both sides need to figure out a way to meet EVERY day and make sure this gets done. Not once a month, or every other month. If this was a true business meeting they would want to get this done and make money not loose. I dont get how they can meet for an hour… and say ok no!! we are going home now. If the sides wanted to get this done they would lock themselves in a room and hash out one thing at a time.

    Players- ok we give you the 50/50 split but we keep the salaries where they are.

    Nhl-Ok we take that and we states that if salaries stay the same we state 5 year max on contracts

    Players- ok if thats the case then we state 6 year on UFA

    Nhl-Ok thats good and then we can do rookie deals are still 3 years with no waiver issues

    Am I nuts to think that this is how business negotiating is supposed to go????? WTF!!!

  41. fortwaynekomets - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    well F@CK me in my @$$!!!

  42. vegasroxie - Oct 18, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    The players have every right to be mad. They say 50/50 but honor contracts. Nobody forced the owners to sign the deals. Honor your word and ink. Worst is the owners are sitting on MY money I already paid for this year. I am getting screwed too! Last year I ever buy season tickets. It was fun but I have had enough of 8 dollar beers, 6 dollar hot dogs and lockouts.

  43. blomfeld - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    STEADY AS SHE GOES …

    Here we are only 7 days past the season’s scheduled start date and already you people have buckled faster than Montcalm’s “center” at the Battle of Quebec City in 1759 ! … truly unbelievable. It was once said by one of history’s most notorious villains that … “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” (Joseph Goebbels). Well clearly you people have bought into this little caper, eh ? Leeches, scum, vultures and now death threats to both Bettman and Fehr ? … come on man, that’s no way to be … you guys are gonna get ulcers or something ? Anyway, all’s well here in Blomfeld Land ! :) As far as we’re concerned, an agreed upon deal was already struck some time ago and now it’s just a question of timing. We’re actually getting close to that “elusive” breakthrough, which should be getting announced within the next 11-13 days. Mark your calendars friends !

    ps: the only voice of sanity above is that of Kitshky …

  44. jimw81 - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    it was an PR stunt from the beginning using Frank Luntz focus group. What is not being told They hid the players rollback to confuse fans and sway public opinion in the last offer on honoring contracts.

    • satcat69 - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

      And it worked perfectly…A 6 year old would think 50/50 sounds good… Until you realize at 57/43 for the players..The NHL was making record profits..Now they want more …Take away 7% from the players…add that to their record profits….

  45. irokkit - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    All is fair in love and war.

    It’s simple. I’M DONE!!!
    GOOD NIGHT NHL.

  46. capsfan19 - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Im curious as to what the union had presented to the league.
    They’re like little kids… “i want three cookies,” “NO! I want four cookies”
    That’s basically how this is beginning to translate.
    I think i still tilt on the side of players, i mean who goes out there and gets bashed, slashes, bloodied, destroyed by milan lucic while in goal, i mean come on!!

  47. satcat69 - Oct 18, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Players agreed to an immediate 50/50 split.. Honor current “Owner offered contracts”..Tell me whats wrong with this deal…The owners refused to honor existing contracts…Your move Bettman…

  48. satcat69 - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    Revenues are growing, but the owners want a larger share than last year and a much larger share than they used to get before they locked the players out last time. Is there no end to the greed of the owners?

  49. youngs79 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Bettman sucks! Boycott the NHL. They don’t deserve to have the loyal fans they do.

  50. mizbinboston - Oct 20, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    !@#$%^&*&^%$#@!@#$%^&*&^%$#@!!!!

    Why. Why do I keep looking for updates or allow myself to be fed tiny little bits of hope because maybe *something will happen today!* WHEN IT NEVER DOES.

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