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Toews thinks owners’ offer is “just a ploy”

Oct 17, 2012, 8:45 PM EDT

Jonathan Toews AP

Following the announcement of the owners’ proposal, Adam Burish told the Chicago Tribune’s Chris Kuc that Jonathan Toews was feeling positive with a simple message: “The captain is encouraged.”

Well, it seems like that assessment was hasty – or Toews has a funny way of showing it.

Toews updated his stance to Kuc with some frank words about the latest CBA offer.

“There’s no real effort there,” Toews said. “It’s just a ploy to kind of sway the positive light back in their favor”.

Kuc reports that Toews isn’t optimistic that a deal will get done anytime soon.

Despite those feelings, Toews will reportedly be on hand during Thursday’s meetings in Toronto, according to ESPN Chicago’s Jesse Rogers.

Perhaps his outlook will change then?

  1. kingjoe1 - Oct 17, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Yea an early 20’s douchebag has Any clue on business.
    He is as clueless as the dopey US folks who love Obama

    • windmiller4 - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM

      That dopey douchebag went to the University of North Dakota, he also is way more educated on the lockout than any of us here. He’s been active in it since the summer. So there goes the whole dopey, clueless, douchebag theory.

      • therealjr - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:50 PM

        You an strike dope and clueless, but that kind of attitude has him firmly in camp douchebag.

      • williplett - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:02 AM

        For therealjr: Could you be more incoherent? No.

        Kingjoe1: You have a moronic new friend. Enjoy!

      • gager19 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:14 AM

        i dont care where he went to college.he is part of the problem.these players are never happy.the owners went down to a 50 50 split and you can be sure they are not going to budge that.so if mr.toews does not like the offfer he can look for something else to do.im sure i am not the only season ticket holder whose thought is this;make the deal or i will find something else to do.

      • therealjr - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM

        For you ayholes (williplett) who can’t extrapolate a sentence missing a ‘c’…Toews is not a dope nor clueless. But to shet all over it (“no real effort”, “just a ploy”) before even digesting it is a douche move. I’m pretty sure if nothing else, there is some real effort and it’s not simply a ploy. But keep being paraoid.

    • bigtganks - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM

      It baffles me these guys can so openly slam their bosses and say what they say to the guys that sign their checks.

      I can’t imagine none of these owners don’t take it personal with what some players say about all this.

      • dcfan4life - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:25 AM

        How many players really interact with the owners? Most meet with them maybe a couple times a year. Owners dont go down to the locker room, dont talk with the media, dont hang out with players or employees. They sit in there luxury boxes and watch. And if a player says your greedy but that players skill on the ice keeps making you millions, are you going to care what he said, or what he does?

      • barkar942 - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

        They may only see the owners a couple of times a year, but they always see their paychecks from the owners who they are quick to insult and show no appreciation towards, for without owners, there are no sports leagues period!

  2. chiefblckbear - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    No not captain serious.

  3. holleywood9 - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    And age has nothing to do with the knowledge he may have on a situation.

  4. semin28 - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Go caps!

  5. bruinpred - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    The players like or dislike based on what Fehr tells them to do. If we had college hockey in Nashville, i would jettison my tickets so fast. Hopefully, UAH gets in the WCHA. Cheaper to drive 1 3/4 hours, get a great dinner and stay overnight than go to an NHL game. College Hockey -Less skill, more spirit, more fun.

  6. bigoldorcafromvan - Oct 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Well Captain Serious. If you figure this is just a ploy I really think you are wrong. If Mr Fehr and the NHPLA don.t give this offer a very serious look I hope your butts are locked out for a couple years. Quit frankly I am finished watching this NHL Hockey. The only time the teams actually play a good game is if they face a rivalry team or they hit the playoffs. Take LA last year as a good example. It is a good thing that the NHL owners want to negotiate a contract because it sure looks like the NHPLA doesn.t know how to. Come On CHL and AHL hockey.

  7. hockeyfootball98 - Oct 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Ive got one Toews, how about the players make a freaking offer already??!? Its been what a month with owners waiting for your counter proposal. At least they made an offer seems like “effort” to me. I was never optimistic yesterday anyway, its pretty obvious the players will play hardball and dont plan on giving up a penny.

  8. natlbnkilr - Oct 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    Anyone who’s met Toews knows he’s a clueless prick…. why do we care what he thinks??? These comments, and some like it from other players are making me rethink my position on the lockout. I was 100% on the players side when this thing started….. now, I’m not so sure.

    • williplett - Oct 18, 2012 at 4:45 AM

      One third of NHL owners are billionaires and the rest have hundreds of millions of dollars to their names. They don’t know you or really care about you, but they would have a good laugh at your ripping of a Captain of one of their teams for no good reason. It sounds like I could use the same words you used to describe Toews to describe you, natlbnkilr.

  9. lostpuppysyndrome - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Well, when will it not be a ploy? When you get all the beans you asked for and they get none? Honestly, the posturing and suspicions are getting old now. Just get it done.

  10. savior72 - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    If you think it’s a ploy, then call their bluff. Otherwise stop talking and make a proposal

  11. spongebobsportspants - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Maybe it is a ploy… But it is working. Pressure is on NHLPA, this is a starting point. Get it done. Or I join the owners.

  12. acieu - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    He is douche bag and as big dumb ass as the US folk who like Romney.

    • blomfeld - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:22 AM

      Romney is retarded, while Jonathan Toews is “good” people .. and there’s no two ways about it, period …

    • kicksave1980 - Oct 18, 2012 at 1:53 AM

      Way to insert politics into this…there for a minute I didn’t think I’d go to a single website today where someone didn’t toss that in a completely off-topic story.

      • manchestermiracle - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

        It seems an entirely appropriate comparison. Half the country is for Romney and thinks the other half is insane. Same for the Obama crowd. Now replace “country” with NHL and NHLPA and “Romney” and “Obama” with Bettman and Fehr.

        Both situations have actors polarizing the opposition, both situations have a valuable goal at risk, and both situations have essentially brought their respective audiences to a standstill. Most of all, both situations result in relatively innocent bystanders being reduced to trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

        It would seem that sports really does reflect life, at least on the negative end of the spectrum.

      • manchestermiracle - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

        The “relatively innocent bystanders” remark may not be quite accurate: Politics is a mess mostly due to voters being ignorant. The NHL is a mess because fans keep rewarding the league for being dysfunctional.

      • lordfletcher - Oct 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

        to claim either presidential candidate is retarded…. is retarded.

        While you may not agree to one’s stance on their politics, or the other, or both… both men are very powerful, influential, smart, millionaires. I am willing to bet, you have none of those qualities.

        but yet you hide behind a keyboard and bash someone you think you know because CNN or FoxNews said so.

        Thanks for being an educated American.

        -Wild fan

      • kicksave1980 - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:17 PM

        @manchestermiracle I hear you, and I have pretty strong personal opinions on politics. I’ve been a registered D since age 18. My point was that there’s a place to talk about politics, and this isn’t the place. You can’t go to any message/comment board on the internet without seeing someone throw in a completely random political thought. As if the campaign ads on tv 24/7 weren’t enough. It gets tiring.

  13. gp424 - Oct 18, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    So in Toews mind the players of the NHL who ratified the “Bad Deal” they got in 05-06 were held hostage and forced to vote for it? Really Johnny, I know you weren’t playing in the NHL then and did not vote, but I believe over 95% of the NHLPA players voted in favor of a “Bad Deal”, and know you and Fehr are blaming the owners for making you agree to this “Bad Deal?”.

    And I understand Fehr’s goal is to not get an equitable settlement, but to”WIN” the dispute, is not the object to come to an equitable solution? Not according to Fehr though.

  14. matthews4 - Oct 18, 2012 at 3:06 AM

    I would guess he has seen the proposal. We have not, in full. I would also guess there are certain aspects of it that could be a stumbling block. It will be real interested to see what the owners consider HRR. I hate to take the turn to negative town here, but i have a feeling that the owners want a 50/ 50 split after they take out a sizable chunk of revenue. If the owners skim off the top before the split than it’s not really a 50/50 split. People for the love of Orr stop comparing sports athletes to your 9 to 5. There are thousands maybe millions that can do what we do every day, these athletes are the best in the world.

    • micasa81 - Oct 18, 2012 at 6:17 AM

      I agree, the HRR definition is probably what is causing Toews’ suspicion/negativity. It’s not inconceivable that the owners’ definition of HRR has changed, even since their prior proposal, to something that makes the 50/50 split not that much better than the 49-48-47 deal they last proposed. But Toews can’t make a diplomatically phrased comment to save his life (or, in this case, to make a timely deal). I understand that players are probably being cautioned not to make overly optimistic statements about the proposal, but they should also realize that statements like Toews’ are equally damaging to the PA’s interest. It’s possible to press the other side for more without insulting them. And, to echo previous comments, if you don’t like their offer, make a counteroffer! Don’t keep saying there’s nothing to work with. Sure, this offer may not be as good as it looks, but it’s better than what was previously offered. Work with it.

  15. kalfut321 - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:12 AM

    Bring on college hockey

  16. kingjoe1 - Oct 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    “It’s just a ploy to kind of sway the positive light back in their favor”.

    …or negotiation JT. That is what adults do when they are working out an agreement. You statement is the ploy here; that being a statement intended to embarrass owners. I don’t care what the Univ.of ND taught you, you obviously didnt comprehend it. 50/50 split, sounds a whole lot better than, the destruction of the NHL.

    • tfaltin - Oct 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

      Your definition of “adult” is questionable. I’m fresh out of college and I’m “adult” enough to look beyond “50/50.” For someone who holds himself in such high regard, “kingjoe,” I’d expect you to be a little less naive and look beyond the headline. The mathematical end result is the same. The players take a loss this season in salary, and that loss in “compensated” by removing money from the players salaries in future years because the compensation comes from the players “50.” Call it what it is, the same numbers re-arranged so imbeciles like your highness can’t figure it out. I guess it is easy to manipulate the mob.

  17. antkowiak666 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    all i know is that if they don’t have a deal in place by Oct. 25th,I”M F!@#$@ DONE WITH THE NHL!

  18. cweez2 - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    If it was just a PR stunt, then how’s that any different from your melancholy “we just want to play” video? The difference is, if it were a stunt – it’s also a real, viable offer – unlike anything the NHLPA has done in the past couple of weeks.

    Sorry Toews, your boy got one-upped by the troll.

  19. acieu - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    How can anyone respect the opinion of a player who doesn’t even know how to pronounce his own last name?

  20. valoisvipers - Oct 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    This is something I would expect to hear come out of Kanes mouth not Toews.Maybe it’s a case of he who lies with the dogs lies with the fleas.

  21. bhawksrule - Oct 18, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Guys , just because Jonathan Toews is the name in this article doesn’t mean he’s the only player that feels this way. Until we know exactly what the NHL defines as HRR and the outcome of todays meetings it’s completely unfair for people to start taking shots at Toews, he’s one of the hardest working captains in the league and absolutely dominates the ice on his shifts. He is NOT the guy to be ripping.

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