“I couldn’t disagree less” actually means that you agree with me, by the way. Generally double negatives are frowned upon in the English language.

But hey feel free to imply that I’m a communist (a simply laughable ploy in the year 2012.. you know the cold war has been over for 20+ years right?) because I have a grasp of what organized labour has meant to our society.

While I am on the subject of hilariously dated references, I have a feeling that if Gary Bettman ever stooped to read one of your posts he would probably not be impressed at your use of Nazi-ish terminology to refer to him. “Reich”? The guy is jewish, you know that right?

Anyway…

(In case you miss the segue again I’m going to resume talking about this specific CBA negotiation, instead of continuing to address your clumsy attempts to argue with me)

..The players are in this dispute for themselves only, as they should be. Just like the owners are in this for themselves. Thankfully the two sides have extensive common interests so once the animosity and posturing is put aside they should be able to come to an agreement fairly quickly.

blloomfeld, Oct 13, 2012, 8:41 PM EDT
Eric Lindros was “wrong” for not reporting for duty with the Quebec Nordiques. And I say that as one whose bloodlines have been antagonists with the French for centuries, so a Frenchie lover I am not !

Eloquent words no doubt, by comrade Babych. Nonetheless, his vain attempts to paint these NHL players as “heroes at the ramparts, fighting for the people” make about as much sense as Dairy Queen opening up a new store in Antarctica ! So what if Ovechkin can’t upgrade his driveway from two Ferrari’s to three Lamborghini’s ! I say to hell with these entitled parasites ! They “should and will” accept that which “Reich” Commissioner Bettman offers them. That’s the deal man and there’s no getting away from that !

Person B: I’m not sure friend, though I suspect it may be some “French” woman ? …

id4joey – I’m not sure what your angle is here ? But in reply, allow me to say that I love women and I do greatly admire the French, perhaps even more so than my own bloodlines ? (ie: that’s referring by the way to the “real” French in France, not the Pepsi’s in Quebec or Cajuns down south) In my opinion, this fake “purported” disdain by so many for the French and their culture, is rooted in nothing more than pure “envy” ! Anyway, besides that, I’m a passionate supporter of the LA Kings, in addition to having a keen fondness for Elvis, animals, the USA and “all” that is good !

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There’s a reason why the owners decided in the last CBA that team salary caps ought to be determined by a percentage HRR. And that reason is quite simple … it allows for total BS ! There’s no way the NHLPA will ever be able to keep tabs on the owner’s “hidden” revenues or “over-inflated” costs. Theses people are “private businessmen” running “private businesses” and so to believe otherwise would frankly be a bit naive on the player’s part. Regardless, it’s amazing that Bieksa is the first person to address this transparent yet “massive” consideration ?

An analogy could be made to a female shopper who goes “berserk” at the site of a “50% OFF” sign. Instantly her brain is scrambling to compute the potential savings, all the while being completely oblivious to the fact that the seller simply marked up the original base price before applying the 50% discount.

Anyway, Kevin “Bieska” is an excellent person in my opinion ! He’s a true warrior on the ice and he’s a thoughtful and decent man off of it. Here in Vancouver last year, he was the spokesman for a “Depression Awareness” campaign in the lower mainland … and tonight he hosts his terrific “Kevin & Friends” charity hockey game up at UBC. He, along with other excellent people like the Sedin brothers, Schneider, Burrows, Kesler and Edler, are the reason why I have a genuine respect for this team.

GO KEVIN GO !!! (ie: though please don’t “go” as much as the Kings, eh?)

Will the HRR include relocation fees, beer sales, parking revenue, losses placed on the books of the franchises (potentially from the owners other businesses), and so on and so on.

It’s a $3B negotiation … it’s not as simple as “just take it”.

The NHL offer could be legit, and it looks to be at first glance. Or there could be stuff in there that makes it a non-starter. The two sides need to meet and figure all that out. If the PA walks away from this framework they should then explain to the public why they did so.

Anyway you could make the exact same argument against the owners locking the players out (ie. “why do they lose money it just to get concessions that won’t be enough to recover from the losses for several years?”). If it doesn’t apply then neither does the argument against the players taking labour action to protect their interests as the stakes are the same for both sides.

Let’s not forget that the players refusal to accept any offer better than “0% of anything” has already caused the league to increase compensation in its initial offer by about 15% and to remove several of the wackier stipulations from their initial offer as well. So you could say that this labour action is already paying dividends for the players.

Taking a step back from the context of pro sports, people going on strike has had enormous benefits to everyone in our society; both in terms of workers improving their own compensation and in terms of improving conditions for society as a whole. Sure it’s not always the best thing for everyone (and it’s frequently very inconvenient for some) but suggesting that it’s never a good thing is way off the mark.

just kidding. all im trying to say it both the owners and players are allowed to have their own personal revenue streams.

i dont think expansion fees should go to players. those expansion fees are to represent that the current owners are getting diluted – its basically like when a publicly traded company issues more shares. think of the TV revenue – expansion means the tv revenue is now divided among more teams – thus expansion makes the current owners poorer. It absolutely does NOT make the current players poorer – it actually makes them richer since expansion means more jobs for players.

Make no mistake, the NHLPA won’t be able to keep 57% and the current HRR definition. they’ll have to concede a little of one or both to make this happen eventually, or else they’re just as bad as the NHL.

I really will never understand why people go on strike. You sit around fighting for a minimal raise, meanwhile, you’re losing your salary for the entire time you’re striking and the raise, if they choose to accept and give it to you, will take 10 years to make up for the lost money while you were sitting on strike. If the players “Just wanna play” then sign the deal and play. The Cap has DOUBLED since the last CBA, you’re making big money as it is.

come on PA, step up to the plate!