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Daly: “Major economic issues aren’t on the agenda” for this week’s CBA talks

Oct 8, 2012, 2:12 PM EST

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The good news is that the NHL and NHLPA will resume CBA negotiations Wednesday and Thursday in New York.

The “let’s all pull our hair out” news is that talks will focus on secondary issues, not the main sticking point of how to split up the league’s billions of dollars in revenues.

“Major economic issues aren’t on the agenda,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told USA Today on Monday via email.

Granted, there’s still time to put “major economic issues” on the agenda. It was reported last week that the NHLPA was working on a new proposal to present to the league.

But if “major economic issues” aren’t discussed Wednesday and Thursday, here’s hoping the two sides can resolve that contentious “Should each player get his own hotel room on road trips?” dispute.

Otherwise we might start worrying the entire season could be wiped out.

  1. ewoods6 - Oct 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Can’t stand this guy or Bettman. Is there any way to get both out and replaced?? I mean it’s starting to get comical the way they conduct business for a muti-BILLION dollar organization.

  2. blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    “Otherwise we might start worrying the entire season could be wiped out” …

    No way Jose ! You only start doing that if this charade goes past the US Thanksgiving holiday weekend … but it won’t. These fake meetings and phony press conferences are nothing more than a “feign” designed to take people’s attention away from the real core issue, which is the elimination of the first six weeks in the 2012-13 season !

    Here’s the Tuesday October 8th weather forecast for a few select NHL cities:

    71 degrees – Nashville TN
    78 degrees – Los Angeles CA
    81 degrees – Dallas TX
    88 degrees – Miami FL
    93 degrees – Phoenix AZ

    etc … etc … etc …

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

      Sorry friends, as those are the Tuesday October “9th” forecasts … regardless, these folks must surely be feeling hockey “in the air” now eh ? :)

    • lsxphotog - Oct 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      I’ve seen you post about this and laugh every time. Please, tell me how Tower 7 fell while you’re at it. haha

      • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        How Tower 7 Fell ?

        Friend … I’m not sure what you’re inferring by that ? All I could tell you is that “I like everyone” else saw Tower 7 collapse approximately 8 hours “after” the attack, landing “perfectly” within it’s own footprint, which many suggested was consistent with a typical “controlled” demolition ? So no, I’m not some naive “conspiracy” advocate, if that’s what you’re suggesting ? However, I’m also not some naive “sheep” who blindly believes that stuff never happens ! Hope that answers your question.

  3. chiadam - Oct 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    Hilarious. F*** off, NHL.

  4. phillyphanatic76 - Oct 8, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Its absolutely absurd that both sides are tip-toeing around the real issues because they don’t want to appear too eager and show weakness, or something like that. Sooner or later they’re going to have to sit down like adults and figure this crap out. They can’t just keep ignoring it in the hopes that one side will magically change its mind. We’re how long into this lockout and there’s been zero progress. I think that’s a disgrace. And it’s basically like giving the finger to the fans, as each side seems to only care about what they deserve instead of what’s best for the game. A few months ago most pundits were saying that there’s no way the league locks out the players after record revenues and with hockey being at the height of its popularity. There was no way Bettman and the owners would be that greedy and short sighted. And look at us now … this lockout defies logic and is the greed driving it is totally transparent. If they really cared about the well being of the game they would have started negotiations months ago, or atleast be meeting for more than 90 minutes a week. And the worst part is that we’re the biggest losers, they can all go home to their million dollar homes and forget about the rest of the world. While we’re stuck in reality with no hope for NHL hockey.

  5. id4joey - Oct 8, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Come on blomfeld. Your much smarter than what you’re trying to imply by listing the temperature in some non hockey markets. i.e Miami,Phoenix, LA, Orange County, San Jose, etc… Many of the fans attending games in long established hockey markets don’t really know hockey, let alone in the aforementioned cities. Matter of fact, the majority attending games in Anaheim, L.A. Phoenix, Florida know less about hockey than Romney knows about foreign policy or the 47%. Some teams do make money before U.S. Thanksgiving.

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      I know friend … but it’s important to have some fun now and again, don’t you agree ? :) Nonetheless, your point about the “artificial” fan is well taken, as you needn’t look any further than a “typical” Canucks crowd here in Vancouver for proof of that. At any given game, a quick scan of the stands will reveal at least a half as being nothing more than pretentious “posers” … busy squawking on their phones or snapping pictures of themselves or anything else that appears. Despite their $300 jerseys, most of the fools wouldn’t know the difference between Clarence Campbell and Clarence Thomas ! … what a joke eh ? :)

  6. id4joey - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Yes! Tower 7 imploded, and I understand conspiracies are real. However, that is not want I was referring to. My point is that there are many teams that can make money before U.S. TG. Those teams are based I both countries, so I don’t get the benefits of eliminating Oct. Perhaps you can enlighten us.

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

      Id4joey – Friend, I’ve been commenting more on this issue than many of the PHT readers probably care for … or so I suspect ;) At any rate, allow me to offer you the follow testimony which I submitted here at PHT only six days ago …

      ———————————————————————————————————–

      Friends, this 100 million dollars is forgone “revenue” … not “net” profit or loss. There is a slight difference you know. ;) Also bear in mind that likely 2/3 of the teams are actually going to be in better “bottom line” shape as a result of this temporary stoppage. Of course it isn’t good for teams like Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. But it sure as hell makes sense if you’re the owner of Nashville, Tampa Bay or Carolina ! The simple fact is that October and November are by far the two biggest “loss-making” months of the year for the majority of financially-struggling teams, which numbers approximately 20 x franchises, mostly in the sunbelt. Let’s never forget our basic Economics 101 formula … “when revenue earned is < variable costs incurred, then operations must cease immediately". So while the NHL may have collectively kissed 100 million dollars of revenue good-bye with this fake impasse, I suspect that by doing so, they've collectively avoided a far greater sum in terms of variable cost (ie: which would equate to a "net" loss).

      The bottom line is that while Bettman may be a rat … a "dumb" rat he is not !

      ————————————————————————————————————-

      So in summary, what I'm suggesting is that given the current "precarious" state of at least 4-6 x "sunbelt" franchises, the elimination of October from the schedule is absolutely essential. October is a month where walk-up attendance figures, TV viewership numbers and corporate endorsement interest are all at their absolute lowest point. If even just one or two of these 4-6 x "sunbelt" franchises go down, then so also goes down the entire "House Which Bettman Built" ! That's honestly what I believe this issue is "really" all about.

      • tatdue - Oct 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

        LOL – For sure that’s what this is all about, I just never realized it before but let me get this idea of yours straight in my head so I truly understand it.

        Bettman laughs off revenue sharing, you know, where the rich teams each give a little bit to the not so rich teams so that they can compete with the rest of the league. Then in turn he decides that if the first 6 weeks were not played that those 4-6 teams that you are talking about would be able to compete with the rest of the league. So with Bettmans great mind he decides that the best course of action would be to call a lock out that would cost a large number of teams (including the 2 most powerful owners, Jakobs, and Snider) a lot of money. Not to mention the fact that this lock out is going to hurt the over all revenue stream, make the cities in which they play lose a lot of tax revenue, hurt a lot of people that depend on the NHL operating, and at the same time seriously piss everyone off and possibly lose a bunch of fans……I almost forgot there’s also those television contracts, let’s not forget them.

        Ya good idea……….NOT

        If this lock out ends by Thanks Giving it has nothing to do with the crap that you are talking about and instead has everything to do with the fact that the first game to be televised under the new and very lucrative NBC tv contract is the New York @ Boston game on Nov.23rd.

      • blomfeld - Oct 9, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        “For sure that’s what this is all about” …

        @Tatdue – To answer your question and notwithstanding your venomous sarcasm, “intentionally” blowing off the first 5 weeks of the season is indeed what I honestly think this is all about. Obviously I can’t say that with 100% certainty, but that’s nonetheless what I truly believe. Now the TV contract angle which you mention may also be a mitigating factor in the resumption of play shortly ? … no argument from me on that. Regardless, I foresee an agreement being announced by November 5th latest, which would still allow enough time (albeit barely) to get things in place for a US Thanksgiving holiday weekend start.

  7. therealjr - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Of course I will still watch and still care, but I will not be attending any NHL games this year, nor buying any merchandise. Hope others will join me in this message.

    And if there is no “this year”, good luck to you, owners and NHLPA.

    • norseman81 - Oct 9, 2012 at 12:26 AM

      @therealjr

      I completely agree! I will watch whatever is on NBC but wont go to a game, wont buy merchandise and wont buy Center Ice.

  8. id4joey - Oct 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    blomfeld, I fail to see how this benefits healthy hockey markets.

    • jaybertx - Oct 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      Tampa Bay is NOT an unhealthy market.

      http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2012

      • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

        fair point friend, however I would counter by stating that many of the NHL’s attendance figures have been “sexed up” in recent years for the obvious reasons …

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

      I also fail to see that. But bear in mind that “healthy” markets will remain healthy regardless. Rather, this is more about Bettman protecting his “sunbelt” legacy by shoring up their books, which he believes is the answer to long-term “profitability” for the league as a whole. Personally I disagree, as sometimes “less is more” … but that’s what I believe is driving Bettman and this entire issue, be that misguided or not.

  9. antkowiak666 - Oct 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    just grow some balls and come out and say that you don’t want to start the season until dec/jan.
    i will not be making the family annual trip up to Colorado this year…..so with the $1500 i will be saving,i just think i’ll get me a new Sanyo 52″.thanks NHL!!

  10. dannythebisforbeast - Oct 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    SHUT UP!! Make a deal

  11. biffnasty - Oct 9, 2012 at 7:51 AM

    Loose change will explain to you how tower 7 fell! Interesting documentary

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