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Report: NHL, NHLPA to determine date of next meeting Monday

Oct 7, 2012, 10:58 PM EDT

Fehr and Bettman AP

The next CBA meetings are likely to take place this coming Wednesday or Thursday, Pierre LeBrun reports. We won’t know for sure until the NHL and NHLPA finalize that schedule on Monday, however.

Earlier today, Tom Gulitti reported that the two sides communicated, though the extent of the conversation is unclear.

The timing for potential meetings is interesting since Thursday (Oct. 11) would have opened up the 2012-13 regular season if not for the lockout.

(That fact already prompted people like Elliotte Friedman to imagine an alternate reality without a work stoppage.)

While it’s difficult to tell if there have been significant gains or mere baby steps, this weekend has carried a mild sense of optimism.

Two high-ranking members from each side met quietly on Friday, even leading to rumors that the reps might have been throwing around the word “compromise.”

Sure, players such as Sidney Crosby seem less optimistic than before while guys like Karl Alzner are almost admitting defeat, but the latest news cycle sure beats the spin control following regular season games being canceled.

There’s even word that the NHLPA might cook up another revised proposal.

On the other hand, reporters such as Erik Erlendsson and Sam Carchidi believe that target date reveals a lack of urgency, so it could be a matter of perspective.

Ultimately, we’ll just need to wait and see if this week provides a pivotal moment or just another week of hard feelings and speculation.

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Fehr sounds off on NHL for canceling games

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  1. flyeredup - Oct 7, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    Way to kill $3.3 Billion in revenue guys

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:07 AM

      IT’S ABOUT “PROFIT” PEOPLE … NOT REVENUE !

      A) NHL revenue @ 3.3 billion with 3.7 billion in costs = 400 million loss

      B) Lemonade Stand revenue @ 100 dollars with 10 dollars in costs = 90 dollars profit

      According to basic economics, the bottom line is that scenario “B” is superior to scenario “A” …

      • spiffy53 - Oct 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM

        Nope. it’s about many economic factors. revenue and profit are just small pieces. you are forgetting the increasing value of the asset itself, the deductions to the owners for their other businesses, etc…. let them all open their books completely and you will realize the numbers will be ever shifting. basically, you are trying to simplify something that can not be simplified. sorry charlie.

      • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:34 PM

        “Ah my friend … for you I have “special” price !” :)

        For the purpose of simplicity, this illustration is calculated on the “ceteris paribus” assumption of all other things being equal. Obviously there are additional considerations such as asset appreciation/depreciation, taxation considerations, etc. Nonetheless, the attainment of “net” profit and a “return” on shareholder’s equity are still the primary goals for the majority of franchises. As for “opening their books” ?… keeping dreaming pal. Having salaries determined by a percentage factor of HRR was a “brilliant” move on the part of Bettman in the last go round ! Do you honestly think that the owners are going to be forthcoming with absolutely every penny of the money they earn from Hockey Related Revenue ? .. never in a million years !

      • spiffy53 - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        i know they won’t open their books. that’s the point. everyone talks numbers like they really know what they are. it’s like the chinese economy. everyone knows the numbers they report are garbage. that’s why most smart money stays away from chinese stocks. this is the exact same thing. we dont really know what the numbers are. profit, revenue, deductions, etc… i do not believe anything they say.

      • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM

        Friend … I absolutely couldn’t agree with you more ! … and the “Chinese” comparison is priceless ! Few people realize that their GDP figures, which probably drive about 90% of the world’s economic policy decisions, are concocted in some room by maybe three or four “Party” hacks at best ! … what a joke eh ? Anyway, it sounds like you’re not such a bad guy after all ? … so allow me to therefore offer you the following ! :)

        *** special video selection for the excellent commenter called “Spiffy53 ***

      • spiffy53 - Oct 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM

        thanks blom. unfortunately, i have a sinking feeling this season is not going to happen. the only way this gets fixed is if the bigger clubs start to put the hammer down on these small market owners. it’s possible, but i am starting to doubt it.

  2. dumbasdirt - Oct 7, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Or Friday or Saturday. Take your time everyone because the regular season does not end for another 6 months. So why rush trying to get an agreement?

    BTW here is a suggestion: A sliding scale on a 5 year agreement where the players get 54% the first year 53% the 2nd year 51% the 3rd year etc. Or something like that.

    Oh wait nobody is listening to the fans anyway even if they have an idea on how to end this mess. How stupid of me.

  3. hockinj25 - Oct 8, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Or they could just meet tomorrow. But I guess that would make too much sense.

    • gekkoguy82 - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:10 AM

      More than 4 hours of work in a week is far too strenuous!

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:43 AM

        Hey, Monday is a holiday after all. Guess more than just the mailman gets the day off…

      • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

        No, they’ll meet next when “Gary” decides they’ll meet next. This about “maximizing” shareholder profit and nothing more. The fan’s cries of displeasure are no different than the cries of sheep who are headed to the slaughterhouse. Yes, it can be sickening and saddening for those who care to listen. Yet this all about making money and nothing more …

  4. hockeyflow33 - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:30 AM

    Why are we considering columnists as sources? Let’s just quote Bill from his mother’s basement.

  5. xjokerz - Oct 8, 2012 at 3:07 AM

    they are meeting tomorrow to discuss when to schedule another meeting?
    lol.. only the NHL

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 4:49 AM

      “only the NHL” you say ?

      Right now our NHL is a “tier 2 level” sport which “likes” to think of itself as being part of the “Big 4″. Well no sillier statement could ever be made as far as I’m concerned ! If these clowns don’t get this fixed by the US Thanksgiving holiday weekend (ie: which by the way I predict they will), then you’ll see our beloved NHL dropping in popularity “Stateside” below even Lingerie Football or The Hunting Channel ! How our glorious LA Kings can only attract 50 K TV viewers for a televised road game in a state of 40 million people, is simply beyond me ?

      GO BETTMAN !!!

      GO OVECHKIN !!!!!

      GO LOCKOUT !!!!!!!!!!!

      • zetaone - Oct 8, 2012 at 7:24 AM

        Yo Blomfield. Dude. What is with your obsession with farm animals?? Kind creepy.

  6. antkowiak666 - Oct 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    this is turning into a f!@#$% joke!!

  7. joeyashwi - Oct 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    If they really cared about the fans and getting a deal done they would be meeting everyday. I’m a core fan but I’m getting to the point that I hope the league ceases to exist. These owners and this commissioner had their chance. Wipe it all out. There are a lot of nice, public owned arenas out there. Start a North Amercan Hockey League(NAHL) and build it the right way. Salary cap, contract length limit, non guaranteed contracts, ESPN tv deal, etc. Oh wait, that sounds like the NFL, that couldn’t possibly work could it? If owners are having a hard time spending the cap minimum then maybe we shouldn’t have half the league in the sun belt! Bettman is an idiot!!! Expand to hockey areas, not golf areas.

    • snowman218 - Oct 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM

      A “core” fan of hockey should already know that there is a NAHL Luague in North America so you can throw that idea out the window.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM

        I like the concept of your idea but its a little more complicated than that.

  8. joeyashwi - Oct 8, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    I stand corrected. I am a “core” NHL fan who grew up and played in Minnesota where there is so much good hockey to watch and follow that I zoned out that there is already a NAHL. My point still stands though. Most of these new arenas have been built with public money. If a new group of owners wants to start a new league the right way, I’m all for it. The KHL is only five years old and has a lot of NHL players there now, granted not by choice. The NHL is not a top tier league at all anymore so why not blow it up and start fresh?

    • blomfeld - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:45 PM

      “Most of these new arenas have been built with public money” …

      Why not ? Do you think that the farmer would say “no” if his flock of sheep offered to grow even more wool for him ? … of course not !

  9. comeonnowguys - Oct 8, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    What the hell?

    This is not the time to have the fabled “meetings to schedule meetings.” Schedule it. Don’t talk about scheduling it.

    Friggin’ Keystone Cops here.

  10. joeyashwi - Oct 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    greatestminnesotasportsmind

    I know it is. I’m just beyond frustrated that the Wild finally have a chance of putting a decent team on the ice and then the lockout happens. I love hockey and hate to see what a joke the league has become under Bettman. Multiple teams in Florida and California? A hockey team in Arizona and no expansion in Canada? The ridiculous divisional alignments? No real tv deal? Bettman is destroying the game I love and that is without even factoring in the three lockouts under his watch which I give him some benefit of the doubt as to blame. Hockey is more of a regional sport than the other leagues and Bettman has grossly miscalculated this fact as evidenced by his expansion plans and lack of vision. He should be fired not for the lockouts, but for the gross mismanagement of a great league. So frustrating.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM

      Hey I’m with ya on the lockout and the Wild. I’m a huge Wild fan and I am just as excited as the next person. But the thing is about every Minnesota sports team, the other shoe is bound to drop, eventually.

      I don’t know if multiple teams in California and Florida isn’t a bad thing. I think both Florida teams can survive. Tampa was just sold and the owners are making it work. They have talent in which people might come out and see. As for Florida, before this year, they hadn’t made the playoffs since the Wild’s first season. Just like the Twins and Timberwolves, and recently the Wild, when you don’t start winning, fans won’t show up. Florida drew great towards the end of the season and playoffs tickets were hard to come by. I was down there for Game 7 against the Devils and couldn’t get any.

      I agree Quebec should get a hockey team, I’m not really sold on Hamilton. Other than that, I don’t know of many more Canadian cities that should get a team.

      As for being a Wild fan, this new realignment was the best thing to ever happen to us. There is no reason the Wild should travel over 2 time zones to play the majority of their road division games. Not even that, the Wild don’t play a team in their division in their time zone. Dallas is the same way. No way should Winnipeg still be playing in the Southeast with Florida, Tampa, Carolina, and Washington. This new realignment is also great for playoffs where each of the top 4 teams in each division makes the playoffs. Seeing Chicago, Detroit, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis, and Columbus in our division makes those games during the regular season more important and when you play them in the playoffs, it builds rivalries. Then seeing them again the next season will only make tempers flare more. Just look at what we had with Vancouver (granted that started with a sucker punch the season before we made the playoffs) for about 3 years you know how bad you hated them and you knew those games were gonna be nasty.
      The last CBA players got 57% of league revenues, just like what the NFL and NBA had at the time. Both of them re-did their CBA’s in the past year and both went down to 50/50. There is no reason why players in hockey should take a larger chunk of the pie than those 2 sports. It’s gonna be a 50/50 split in this new CBA, which is why the players are locked out. Until Fehr comes down on his demands, and with his past history in MLB, there is no reason to think he will. Don’t forget, he’s the one that shot down the new realignment, the league had approved that for this year.

  11. mhazz84 - Oct 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Take your time boys, no need to rush it.

    P.S. I blame Minnesota a little more than any other team owners for this mess. That team should be scrapped and sold off for parts.

    • snowman218 - Oct 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

      if it wasn’t minnesota it would be some other team with one or both of those contracts given out by their respective owners.

  12. joeyashwi - Oct 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    If you’re referring to the ten year contracts then I agree with you. I think the limit should be six years but unfortunately it’s the league that has been created by Bettman. Minnesota played fair under the rules, I just don’t agree with the rules. If Minnesota wouldn’t have signed them they would have received similar contracts elsewhere. I personally think it’s insane to sign anybody in a sport as violent as hockey to a ten year contract but it is what this joke of a league has been turned into.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Oct 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      They wouldn’t have received more from other teams. Detroit offered Suter way more than Minnesota did.

  13. joeyashwi - Oct 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    To clarify, I’m all for the new alignment if it goes through.

    Also to clarify, the only reason I brought up the arenas being paid for by the public is that there is no reason a new league with new owners wouldn’t have a place to play.

    Also to clarify, I know this will never happen and we are stuck with Bettman and his NHL and can look forward to these lockouts at the end of every CBA because why would they actually start talking a year before the CBA ends and not wait until the last possible minute? Hockey finally had some momentum and now it’s gone. If core fans are angry, what do you think the casual fans think? That’s right, they aren’t thinking about it at all because they will just lose interest all together. Sad.

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