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After 90-minute meeting, players and owners haggling over terminology; Counter-proposal tomorrow?

Aug 29, 2012, 4:39 PM EDT

Donald Fehr AP

Today’s meeting between the NHL and NHLPA saw the players meeting up with the owners a day after receiving a second proposal.

NHLPA Executive Chairman Donald Fehr says one of the changes in the new proposal, as shared by Sportsnet’s Michael Grange, sees the owners moving off their offer of giving the players 43-percent of revenues and upping that to 46-percent under the current definition of hockey related revenue (HRR).

It seems that HRR is part of the problem today, however, as Fehr says the players want to keep the current definition of what constitutes that while the owners are looking to re-define what makes that up.

The owners have apparently been bargaining under their definition of it while the players have been going by the current standard. Once they can get that figured out, they can figure out how better to divvy up the financial pie.

Fehr also say says the players’ union wants a shorter agreement, the NHL’s latest offer is for a six years. Their first proposal was for just five years. Meanwhile, Fehr hopes to have a counter-proposal for the owners by tomorrow but they need to go over the financials for more of the teams first. They hope to have something to bounce back at the owners by the latest on Friday.

  1. onbucky96 - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Donald Fehr, shutting down professional sporting leagues since 1994.

  2. barkar942 - Aug 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Well, at least they are “negotiating”. That is a good thing. It is when they stop meeting all together with no new meetings scheduled that I will get nervous.

  3. tealwithit - Aug 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    I can’t figure out why the players want to put themselves and the fans through this all over again in just a few years. Their proposal all but guaranteed a lockout (or at least the serious threat of a lockout) in three years.

  4. bcsteele - Aug 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    I’m kind of confused as to where the support for the players has gone. They gave up huge last round and now the owners want even more serious concessions. Think about it, your boss comes to you and says I need you to take a serious pay cut but we’ll have things fixed in a few years and I can get you taken care of then…then he comes to you again and says you’ll have to give up even more…I’m sorry…my support this round is with the players this round. I’m all for them meeting in the middle if the finances demand it, but the owners can’t expect to get away with rape here.

    Furthermore, whatever they do come up with…Bettman better make sure it will fix the end all problem becaue the promise of the “light at the end of the tunnel only” arguement only holds water so long. Since the last lockout we’ve seen more growth the game has ever seen…yet he still can’t make ends meet and needs more from the players. He needs to reel in his owners on these contracts or at least let the owners know they can make those contracts…but live with the consequence.

    Again, anytime I’ve made a post I’ve said I don’t know everything and I’m not going to say I know exactly what to do. But given all the information I’ve compiled from both sides to come up with a fair, un-bias opinion…I believe the Bettman and the owners are the ones that need to raise the bar here.

    At the end of the day…I’m just glad the’re talking…just get a fair deal done and let’s play hockey.

    • bcsteele - Aug 29, 2012 at 5:48 PM

      And I’m usually really good with grammer and proof-reading because I’m big on it…so I’m sorry my above post was a fail in that respect. Next time I’ll re-read it again…

      • redmosquito16 - Aug 30, 2012 at 8:18 AM


  5. deadrabbit79 - Aug 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    90 minutes, Wow! Dont over exert yourselves fellas.

  6. nhstateline - Aug 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    if they trusted each other it would take less time. Because they don’t: short meeting then parse the proposal line by line every time.

  7. sportmentary - Aug 30, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Both sides are being led by lockout loving people. Bettman engineered the last NHL lockout and Donald Fehr was at the helm of the MLBA when MLB had their last lockout. It’s not about what’s best for the game or the fans that pay the NHL’ bills. It’s about egos and greed.

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