Comments on: Details reportedly emerge about NHL’s latest proposal

By: lostpuppysyndrome

lostpuppysyndrome — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:24:46 +0000

There’s websites out there that you can watch them on. I know of at least one. Let me know if you want it.

By: lopo

lopo — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:33:50 +0000

Ken Holland would suddenly look like a genius for missing out on ALL of the worthwhile, albeit overpriced, FA’s this summer.

By: kitshky

kitshky — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:45:54 +0000

First of all, it’s not give and take when your first offer is so ludicrous that even you realize you need to step back from some of your requests. That’s not give and take, that’s ask for and ask for a little less.

I mention the average career length simply to point out that the average player is hurt the most by a work stoppage …one year could very well mean almost 25% of many players NHL career. I wasn’t talking about the salary cap ramifications at all.

The unavoidable point here is simple, the league has operated for almost 4 years under a system that the owners designed, fought for, and implemented. They got massive salary rollbacks, escrow payments, a hard salary cap … and so on. Under this arrangement (again, designed by the owners) the league has flourished and reported record attendance, record profits, and seen a revival of US television exposure.

Yet despite all that, the owners are once again crying about their inability to run their businesses…and again pointing the finger at the players. If this system isn’t working, it’s the owners system and it’s the owners fault.

As well, it was the owners who came out and nixed the players offer to negotiate throughout the year if needed so if this year is lost … it’s the owners fault.

By: lostpuppysyndrome

lostpuppysyndrome — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:51:37 +0000

In Leipold’s defense, you gotta spend money to make money.

/makes for the door.

By: flyersgoalscoredby88

flyersgoalscoredby88 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:31:06 +0000

If you were the owner of the Bruins, you’d also own the Coyotes.

By: tatdue

tatdue — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:42:22 +0000

If you were the owner of say the Bruins, would you be willing to give away millions of your hard earned money to the Coyotes just so they can stay in the league and keep taking more money from you?

By: orangeandblack67

orangeandblack67 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:54:29 +0000

Well kitshky, the give in the proposal is the fact that the owners wanted to cut players share of hockey related revenue from 57% To 43%. The players proposal originally asked for a 50/50 split of HRR. As far as the comment on a 5 year career length average, I doubt the guys lasting only that long are in jeopardy of costing teams a whole lot of cap space.

By: xaf605

xaf605 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:54:20 +0000

Can we get the khl on tv in the u.s?

By: snowman218

snowman218 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:09:10 +0000

Chronologically, I believe it was the other way around, but who’s counting.

By: irokkit

irokkit — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:46:55 +0000

I find it disgusting! We see this year after year. The owners overpay, the players accept, the owners gripe they can no longer afford it! WHAAAAAT?
I wonder how they became successful businessman in there other ventures? Now it’s clearly obvious that Bettmann has taken part in growing the game over the last 15 years. The over gregarious ego minded buffoon actually thinks he’s the only one that’s done it. He truly feels that the league can come back even stronger after a another lockout. While it may take some time he is probably right. I stayed away from baseball for 13 years after their last strike. But guess what I watch baseball today.

By: gbar22

gbar22 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:11:44 +0000

Of course the league would want the players to pay more into player escrow. I’m sorry but the players should not accept any deal where the cap is lowered tremendously from what the level would be at this present moment. Lockout here we come and this time I’m on the players side. The leafs rangers bruins etc should cough up more of their profits for league revenue sharing. Baseball had its richest teams use revenue sharing and that sport has thrived.

By: kitshky

kitshky — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:21:58 +0000

Huh…?

Can you please show where the give is in this proposal? There’s certainly take, but definitely no give.

As far as players taking “delayed gratification over instant” (whatever that’s supposed to mean) you do realize you’re talking to people who’s average career is less than 5 years right?

By: sportmentary

sportmentary — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:44:40 +0000

I think this is going to drag out for some time. Both sides are playing games and don;t care about the fans. Only the NHL & NHLPA would figure out how not to capitalize on the success of the 2011/12 season. Only those sides could figure a way screw things up.

http://www.sportmentary.com/2012/08/like-greedy-pigs-who-overeat-nhl-nhlpas.html

By: sjsharks66

sjsharks66 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:29:13 +0000

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

“I got a good idea! Let’s sign Zach parise and suter to 100 mil contracts, then complain about losing money!”

By: stakex

stakex — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:06:48 +0000

Obviously there would have to be something in place to deal with teams currently over the cap if it was lowered that much. I mean you can’t expect teams to cut as much as $10 million in cap space over night.

By: sunderlanding

sunderlanding — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:01:06 +0000

They know they have to sing the players to the massive contract otherwise the players won’t play and they won’t have a team to market. Let’s remember the players hold out for the contracts and refuse to sign until the get them. They’re just as much to blame.

By: lostpuppysyndrome

lostpuppysyndrome — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:23:22 +0000

So 16 teams, which would constitute a majority of the owners, would then be over the cap for next season. I’m so unbelievably baffled by these inconsistencies. What goes through these owners’ minds when they spend all summer offering these massive contracts to players knowing full well that they’ll try to lower the cap during CBA negotiations? I can’t even wrap my mind around it.

By: 950003cups

950003cups — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:13:17 +0000

Lockout = 😡

By: orangeandblack67

orangeandblack67 — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:01:01 +0000

All in all seams like not that bad of a proposal. It shows that there is some give and take going on and with more than two weeks left it is a start. As far as reaching the desired cap for not another 6 years I guess that’s up to wether the players can take delayed gratification over instant.

By: biasedhomer

biasedhomer — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:55:35 +0000

If the cap goes down that much without rollbacks, some of those FA signings this year will really screw up teams.

By: capsrockva

capsrockva — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:46:51 +0000

Just get the F***king thing done. I can’t believe what I heard from the skins today. They released Chris Cooley today. I’m

By: mydadyourmom

mydadyourmom — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:31:01 +0000

wut?