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Bettman on NHLPA proposal: “The sides are far apart and have different views of the world”

Aug 15, 2012, 3:28 PM EDT

On Tuesday, there was optimism after the NHLPA submitted its CBA proposal to the owners.

On Wednesday, that optimism might’ve been dashed.

Following a two-hour meeting to discuss and analyze the union’s collective bargaining ideas, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman offered a stark view of negotiations.

“The sides are far apart and have different views of the world,” Bettman said. “There is still a wide gap between us with not much time to go.

“It takes two sides to make a deal, two sides to negotiate and two sides to make it go bad.”

Canadian Press reporter Chris Johnston was on hand in Toronto and tweeted a pair of updates:

It appears one of Bettman’s biggest issues is the players’ proposal wasn’t a response (Donald Fehr himself classified it as a “alternative view”) and didn’t address specific issues — namely contractual ones.

Here’s video of Bettman:

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One of the key points in the owners’ original offer was a reduced length of contract years and an increase in service before a player would hit unrestricted free agency. The NHLPA proposal suggested no change from the current format.

Another huge issue is timing. The current CBA is set to expire in 31 days and, according to TSN’s Sara Orlesky, there will only be sub-committee and NHLPA regional meetings before Bettman and Fehr meet again next Wednesday.

Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick….


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Twitter reacts to the NHLPA’s proposal

  1. martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Welp, at least NHL 13 comes out soon…anyone on PHT interested in doing a 30 team GM connected league?

    • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:31 PM

      on xbox 360 that is

      • buffbry - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

        I’m in for the 30 man gm league. Shotgun Red wings

      • shilo221 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

        Dibs on Pens or Kings. Xbox tag is Agent Epix

      • buffbry - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

        i doubt everyone wants to put there gamer tags on here but there should be a way we can set it up for real. Everyone put on your thinking caps. again shotgun Red Wings

      • miketoasty - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        Dibs on Pens or Canucks if possible.

      • ravenscaps48 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM

        I’d prefer to be Washington or Edmonton. Please and Thank You! Hahaha

      • chizmo - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        if this is possible, count this guy IN. i’ll kick all asses with east all stars! or buffalo/phoenix.

      • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM

        Tweet me @PHTGMConnect with your xbox live tags so I can keep track, thanks!

      • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:02 PM

        Shilo, pens are taken – I have you down for Kings

      • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM


        Are taken, follow @PHTGMConnect for all updates.

    • hystoracle - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      Maybe they can air your league’s games on NBC-SN in the empty spots left in the during the lockout. They are going to need the programming at this rate.

    • withseidelinn - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

      I’m in

      • ravenscaps48 - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

        I’m Down!

      • flyersgoalscoredby88 - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

        Only if the Pens fan can have 20 teams with different usernames.

    • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM



      • miketoasty - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM

        Check the twittersphere.

      • ravenscaps48 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        I don’t have a twitter… I want in. Caps. Car RamRod 2148

      • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        Got both of you down, anyone else interested tweet @PHTGMConnect

      • buffbry - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

        Not sure if you got my twitter messages cause i’m not great on it. but Buffbry is my gamer tag and i want the Wings

    • balewsquare - Aug 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

      I was hoping someone would do this! I don’t have a twitter, but can I get in?

      • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

        Sure, just leave your XBL gamertag and team of choice.

    • martysbetter - Aug 16, 2012 at 8:46 AM

      The following teams have been taken, almost halfway there!
      I’ll try and make a topic on HF for us, follow @PHTGMConnect for info and tweet/dm your XBL Tag & team of choice!

      Red Wings

  2. mclovinhockey - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Start negotiations earlier…. Gives you more time.

    • hystoracle - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      Negotiations are following a Basketball schedule. And won’t end until the sack race between Bettman and Fehr has been run.

  3. joshuakorr - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    We as NHL fans should threaten to go on strike!!!

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM

      I’ve been watching hockey for as long as I can remember. If the owners lock out the players again I will never spend another cent on NHL tickets or merchandise ever again.

  4. ravenscaps48 - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    This really sucks! I was reading the PA Offer…. I thought it was somewhat reasonable. Then here comes The Bettman saying that they are way off? Are you KIDDING ME???

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

      Bettman might be saying that in public but I bet behind the scenes he’s scrambling, the NHLPA’s offer yesterday essentially pitted the owners against themselves, it’s the teams that make money vs the teams that lose a lot of money, and with his all out effort to save Phoenix Bettman has put himself on the side of the teams that lose money.

      I bet the big owners cut a deal with middle of the road owners and Bettman is sent packing in the next few months.

      • blugold94 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        I hope you’re right…..otherwise the owners/Bettman are saying “we gave that over-the-top initial proposal and the players moved a little…..if we keep playing hardball we’ll smash them!” Instead of taking a good initial players’ proposal and trying to move forward, they decide to keep trying for the kill shot.

        I wouldn’t put it past that group.

      • tealwithit - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:02 AM

        “I bet the big owners cut a deal with middle of the road owners and Bettman is sent packing in the next few months.” That’s highly unlikely, first of all.
        And I really don’t think we can even call the players’ proposal a good one. They agreed to come down to 54%, which was a step in the right direction, but only slightly. As per their proposal, the CBA would return to the current terms in the fourth year. Which means we’re right back in this position four years from now. How does that make sense?
        And they ignored some of the key issues (contract length, free agency, entry level contracts) altogether. Personally, I don’t want to see 15 year, heavily front-loaded contracts getting handed out like it’s nothing. But the owners are now in a position where they’re being forced to offer up insane deals if they want to land big name players. The new CBA has to address that.

  5. xaf605 - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Well sounds like nhl 13 is only hockey were gettin this year thanks ea first year i bought season tix and this sh$& happens thats my luck ill never do that again

  6. pariseinminnesotabichez - Aug 15, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    If they dont figure this out theyre gonna lose more money than if they go under any contract, they are gonna lose all of the fans respect and that means ticket sales will drop to the dead bottom

    • jasol20 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

      Not entirely true. Yes, they stand to lose considerably with every missed day of the schedule. That being said, they will lose much respect from me but when it comes back I’ll still be first in line for tickets. And, quite frankly, I hate myself for that but it’s just honesty.

      • tealwithit - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

        That’s called being a hockey fan.

  7. pariseinminnesotabichez - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    And im in for nhl13 dibs on Wild

    • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

      tweet your xboxlive tag to @PHTGMConnect

  8. sjsharks66 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    This is ridiculous…
    I really hope there is not another lockout.

  9. tmoore4075 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Yup I was hoping there would be common ground but NHL wants only what they want. Glad to your looking to Washington DC on how to find common ground meaning I want what I want. I’m on the players side here. They took 24% cut the last time and they were trying to be creative with this deal. Just cutting salary is not fair to them because some teams can’t handle it. This is an owner/owner thing.I’m sure TO, DET, MON, PHL and others have no issues with this deal.

  10. claysbar - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    All part of the posturing. Start worrying when there is a week to go.

  11. mpg44 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Sounds like typical bettman ….. Only cares about the owners and his own pockets and screw the fans who actaully pay for all of this. If this year goes to a lockout, this wil be worst then 2004 /2005 .

  12. schenn10 - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Gery Bettman is really just an idiot… it’s almost like he’s so much of a douche that he wants to hold out….he’s robbing hockey of everything its respected for

  13. capitalspearljam - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    this is honestly depressing…… dont know what ill do without hockey….dont watch football or basketball….wishing they would not leave the room until they had a deal

  14. lostpuppysyndrome - Aug 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    It’s starting to sound like a game of chicken, seeing which side will capitulate first to the others’ demands just so they can get on with the game without losing too much money.

  15. slammed81 - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    im in for gm connected….unreal another lockout im so pissed

    • martysbetter - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM

      Tweet team/tag to @PHTGMConnect

      • bruins1990 - Aug 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        wish i had xbl…i’d be so in for this league, especially if there’s a lockout

  16. islandersfan - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    I can not believe I am typing these words but .. I agree with Bettman

    The PA’s proposal was a good start but did little in way of procedural changes, namely length of contract and “averaging” the cap over the term of deal. until those issues are even addressed by the PA, this negotiation is going nowhere – and rightfully so.

    I hope the PA stops playing PR games and gets to serious negotiations PDQ cause this is going nowhere fast at this rate.

  17. rpiotr01 - Aug 15, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Who forced owners to start with these insanely long contracts? Didn’t Charles Wang start this nonsense with DiPietro?

    This is a large market – small market issue. This is not a matter of player salaries being too high. It’s a matter of revenue sharing between the few haves and the many have-nots. Until that is resolved then player salaries will NEVER be low enough for some teams.

    Stopped season tickets after the last lock-out. If it happens again I’ll be just about done. There will have been three work-stoppages under Gary Bettman. That shows piss-poor stewardship of the game.

  18. jernster21 - Aug 15, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Funny how everyone thought Fehr was the one that was going to tell the league to eff off on behalf of the players but again, it’s the other way around even after they made a reasonable deal. Look, the NHLPA’s deal focuses on money and they’re upset about logistical things about contracts and all that? If you don’t have the money then none of that stuff even matters!

    • jernster21 - Aug 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      *reasonable offer.

    • tealwithit - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25 AM

      You’re saying those “logistical things” don’t need to be included in the CBA? Seriously?

      • jernster21 - Aug 16, 2012 at 11:28 AM

        Hey smart guy, I never said they don’t need to be included in the CBA. The fact that the PA didn’t even make a proposal on length of contracts/max contract salary/years till free agency and things of that nature is because they don’t want them changed from what they already are, as such, they’d still be in the CBA.

      • tealwithit - Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM

        I guess I meant included in the negotiations. You pretty clearly implied that the money is the only thing they need to concern themselves with in the CBA negotiations. But those are serious issues that need to be addressed and, hopefully, changed.
        Decade-long contracts, for example, are absurd. The teams are on the hook for all the risk, the players can’t be sure that they’re going to be happy with the deal in 5+ years (and don’t have the extra incentive to play their very best), and the fans are robbed of exciting free agency periods. There’s no way the owners will accept a deal that leaves limitless contracts on the table – And the players had to know that.

  19. tfaltin - Aug 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    This commissioner literally inspires zero hope among the fans of the NHL. All he brings is bad press, and gives every reason for ESPN and other major spots outlets to continually ignore hockey. Does he realize that the NHL should be growing upon positive momentum? He and the rest of the owners are ______s. The players were willing to give back 800 million in salary. Open your eyes when you talk Gary. You are the most smug, and least charismatic figure I’ve ever seen. Can he be in net for an impromptu hardest shot competition? GAH. Once again the fans suffer.

  20. mclovinhockey - Aug 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    I shotgun the commissioner, then I will need to see if the computer players are willing to play for KB rather then GB. If not there will be a lockout.: )

  21. xaf605 - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Seriously though no one really thought owners were going to agree with the players first offer did they

  22. dannythebisforbeast - Aug 15, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    July 15- Here’s 100 million dollar contract
    Aug 15- that was for show need that contract to be $75 mil

    FU owners if you can’t make $$ fold,move or revenue share. IMO THIS IS THEIR problem.

  23. semin28 - Aug 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    Shoty on caps

  24. davego6 - Aug 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Bettman had his response written well before the players presented their counter proposal. The owners need to be saved from themselves! Nobody makes them sign the exceptional players to exorbitant salaries which is really on the backs of the average players. They all claim, including the players, to have sympathy for the fans but it is all bs. The owners signed the existing contract in 2004 which suited them at the time, since then revenues are up and now they want a bigger slice of the pie! Greed is all that it is!

  25. tealwithit - Aug 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    People seem to be forgetting that “the owners’ share” doesn’t just go to the owners. That money covers the costs of running a hockey team and paying employees. There are a lot of people behind the scenes… Not only the front-office employees, but also the people who keep up the building, security personnel, merchandise and concessions people, etc. Guess what happens when a team is losing money? Some of those jobs get cut. I’ve seen it happen, so I have a hard time having a whole lot of sympathy for players who would lose a small percentage of their millions.

  26. blomfeld - Aug 16, 2012 at 1:49 AM


    The bottom line friends is that we LA Kings are Stanley Cup Champions ! … and so the longer these wealthy parasites “bicker” the better for us … for as long as we’re able to keep our “glorious” team intact, then so increases our chances of repeating …

    GO KINGS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. spavs412 - Aug 16, 2012 at 9:54 AM


  28. jaredphi - Aug 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Bettman: “The sides are far apart and have different views of the world”

    Yep, that about sums it up.

    The players have a realistic view of the world and are behaving as mature, civilized participants in a labor dispute, evincing cooperation and the ability to comnpromise.

    The owners have a totally UN-realistic view of the world and are behaving like the greedy pigs they are, refusing to compromise or to behave like mature and civilized adults.

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