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Report: Montreal offers Subban two-year, $5.5 million deal

Aug 1, 2012, 2:25 PM EDT

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While the Montreal Canadiens and RFA defenseman P.K. Subban are locked in contract negotiations, details of the Habs’ offer have started to come out.

According to TSN (by way of RDS), Montreal has offered Subban a two-year deal worth $5.5 million.

Reports suggest both sides are “still far apart” and that the Subban camp is looking for a contract with longer term.

While term is reportedly the sticking point, it’ll be interesting to see what money Subban ultimately agrees to. He just finished playing out a contract that paid $875,000 annually, so the proposed deal would be a significant raise.

That said, there could be a waiting game going on between Subban and fellow RFA defensemen John Carlson (Washington) and Michael Del Zotto (New York Rangers).

Consider their comparables from last season:

Subban (23 years old): 81 games played, 7G-29A-36PTS, 24:18 average TOI

Carlson (22): 82 games played, 9G-23A-32PTS, 21:52 average TOI

Del Zotto (22): 77 games played, 10G-31A-41PTS, 22:26 average TOI

Might be case of each guy waiting for the other dominoes to fall before reaching a deal.

  1. ruddigervancity - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    That seems low…..offer sheet anyone? Up to $3,364,391 a year is a mere 2nd round pick.

    • capesouth - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM

      ya does seem low…avg 2.75/yr? Would expect him to make at least 3.5/yr based on salaries other, less important players get..

      • mattj2524 - Aug 1, 2012 at 5:42 PM

        3.5 a year???

        If Matt Carle can pull 5.5 a year with the stats he was able to compile over the last year with a team around him that was lightyears more talented than the Habs, Subban should get at least that much.

        He’s way more physical, better in his own zone, offensively he does just as Carle at even strength and plays a stronger point on the man advantage than Carle, and most importantly, he’s 5 years younger. $2.75 a year is a joke. Heck yeah there needs to be an offer sheet for this player – and if there’s not, then I hope he plays out the final year of his deal under his current contract and tests FA. Teams should fight over what he can bring to a blueline as youthful as he is.

      • stakex - Aug 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

        Subban has issues though. Theres rumors hes a bit of a problem in the locker room, and the guy takes so many bad penelties its not even funny. That won’t kill his value, but does hurt it a bit.

        I could see him making $3 million a season, but not much more then that. I fully expect Del Zotto to make about $4-5 million a year, and hes a far better all around player then Subban… so $3 is in the ballpark for Subban.

      • capesouth - Aug 2, 2012 at 12:12 AM

        I did say AT LEAST 3.5…meaning he could make more….5.5 is incredibly way too much for Subban though.

  2. tomnickle - Aug 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    I suppose the dominoes theory could be accurate but it’s slightly less credible considering that Del Zotto and Subban both employ Don Meehan as their agent.

    • Mike Halford - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      Wouldn’t that make it more credible? Meehan negotiates a Del Zotto deal, then uses that template for Subban. Or vice versa. Just a thought.

      • tomnickle - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        So Subban is waiting on Del Zotto to sign to establish a market value for himself? Or maybe Don Meehan is waiting for camp to creep closer to maximize leverage for both clients.

        I’m not sure how one agent representing two of three players you note could play a constructive waiting game when their counterpart’s inevitable signing would benefit the second guy. Meehan could playing this game, but the players doing it makes no sense from where I sit.

      • tomnickle - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        My apologies for the grammatical error.

        You said that the players could be playing the waiting game. The players doing it doesn’t make sense, Meehan doing it does. That should be your story here.

  3. dayno66 - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    He has a crap agent if he signs for that little.

  4. tomnickle - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Just another thought. The contract reportedly offered is within $500,000 in cap hit to Carey Price’s second contract with the Canadiens, and that could be their logic.

    Having said that, if I’m Don Meehan I’m making an argument that Subban’s contributions to his team were much more valuable in his contract year than Price’s in his.

  5. mclovinhockey - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    I agree completely.. I’d offer 6-7 years at around 4 each… Maybe try to go for a trade even.

    • habsman - Aug 1, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      Considering the contracts Suter and Webber recently signed, the Habs should jump at 4 mil over 6-7 years. Not saying he’s at their level yet, but he does have tremendous upside. As it stands now, 2.75 would make him the 4th highest paid D-man behind Markov, Kaberle and Georges. I’d take PK over all three.

      • greenmtnboy31 - Aug 7, 2012 at 9:24 AM

        I agree on Kaberle, he’s a useless pylon. WTF were they thinking when the got him? I’m not sure Subban is up to the level of Markov (when he’s not injured) and perhaps even Georges, but definitely has that tremendous upside potential. He brings a physicality that Montreal has been lacking for a very long time; just ask Brad marshmallow Marchand.

        Need evidence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YG9Na5F9eg&feature=related

        Subban just needs to toughen up when the ensuing fisticuffs get going and stop acting like a wimp.

  6. chazxcore - Aug 1, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Flyers should offer a 5 year/22-25 million dollar deal and give up a 1 and a 3. They would have 5 starting d men under 28.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 1, 2012 at 4:37 PM

      I don’t see his act working in Philly

      • chazxcore - Aug 1, 2012 at 5:43 PM

        Guy is still young and needs a lot of growing up but I could see him fitting in pretty well. With help from Timonem and Lavy, I could see him getting snapped into shape.

      • mattj2524 - Aug 1, 2012 at 5:48 PM

        Are you kidding??? His “act” has Philly written all over it. The dude chirps at the other team’s forwards constantly, he’s not affraid to drop the gloves, he plays both ends of the ice…he’s the black Scott Hartnell of D-men!

        On behalf of all Flyers fans – trust me, he “act” would be welcomed in Philly, especially after the way Jersey took it to us physically in the semis last year.

      • chazxcore - Aug 1, 2012 at 9:28 PM

        I was referring to his mental lapses at times not his attitude, that would fit perfectly.

  7. sjsharks66 - Aug 1, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Maybe they are giving him a low deal contract to give him time to better his character. Subban is a pest and an asshole on the ice. He is a good hockey player but his attitude is not going to help his career.

    • hockeyflow33 - Aug 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM

      he’s been a problem with his teammates and coaches as well

      • mattj2524 - Aug 1, 2012 at 5:50 PM

        if my teams stunk that badly in a major market, and the fans were knocking my coach, not because of his abilities as a coach, but because he couldn’t speak French – I’d be a pissed off at the world too. In the right environment, this young man will thrive. Let’s he knows this and has no intentions of signing this deal.

  8. lonespeed - Aug 1, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Subban is over-rated. I wouldn’t give him a huge contract either. He has incredible potential and he leaves you in awe of his ability sometimes, but that other 25% of the time is what kills a team. He’s the Alexander Semin of defense.

    • mattj2524 - Aug 1, 2012 at 5:52 PM

      I think that’s going a bit far.

      a.) He’s not a one-dimentional Russian winger, and
      b.) A change of venue has worked wonders for players in the past.

      Hopefully he moves on from Montreal and regains his focus.

    • babykaby - Aug 4, 2012 at 7:17 AM

      Stop dumping on Semin. He was a way better teammate than Subban could ever be. Someone commented Subban would/could fight. Yeah, right, we were all very impressed by that turtle act he pulled. Now that was a fight! Subban has potential be a great player, but the guy comes off as a jerk. In all his years in DC I never saw Semin behave like a total jerk.

  9. kingjoe1 - Aug 1, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Time for Holmgren and swoop in and steal him away. 5 yr 30 million should do it.

  10. windmiller4 - Aug 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    According to Subbans agent he hasn’t gotten a contract offer..

    http://windmiller4.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/pk-subban-and-his-new-contract-offer/

  11. mclovinhockey - Aug 1, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    @habsman

    Honestly, I feel I will be criticized for this but I’d take georges over PK. Love Subban but georges is a shot blocking beast. He is also my favorite guy on the habs… I’d love to to have both but I think PK has more flaws

  12. habsman - Aug 1, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    We’ll agree to disagree on this one. Georges has the heart of a lion, but for pure talent PK is light years ahead. He scored 14 goals as a rookie. Dropped off a bit last year, but it was a total sh!t show in Mtl last year. Look for a big year for Subban. Hope we get him signed long term.

    • mclovinhockey - Aug 2, 2012 at 7:50 PM

      I can agree with that, I also based my opinion on my team needing defensive D. PK is def worth more due to his offensive upside, he can also turn into a wall when hitting guys… I watched about 70 habs games last year and there were moments he made me jump out of my seat.

  13. sidsthickmeatbayonet - Aug 2, 2012 at 6:25 AM

    who cares about pk blackman we need more SCA!!!!!

    • kmacle - Aug 2, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      So despite the numerous pleas to ban this clown, you’re letting him carry right into overt racism? Past time – man up and end the nonsense.

  14. kmacle - Aug 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    In the biggest news of the summer, the Bruins sign PK away on an offers sheet. think about it, they just drafted his brother, and you know jumping to a hated rival has to be in his playbook. That’d be something.

  15. kmacle - Aug 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    In the biggest news of the summer, the Bruins sign PK away on an offersheet. think about it, they just drafted his brother, and you know jumping to a hated rival has to be in his playbook. That’d be something.

  16. ribs108 - Aug 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    I hope that some team gives PK an offer sheet that is unmatchable as he will never achieve his best in Montreal. Let him have the opportunity to get better on a team with a good present and future, unlike the team he is presently on. It’s clear what his current team values – and it’s not the on-ice product, so let him move on for the sake of his own career. Or he can stay and have every 2nd question be – did you learn french yet? He’s logged #1 defenseman minutes and played in every situation. He needs to go somewhere where he can develop and not have to carry the defense and then get low-balled at salary time. Save your career PK and hope for an offer sheet.

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