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Report: Nashville wanted Couturier as part of potential Weber trade

Jul 19, 2012, 3:17 PM EST

Sean Couturier AP

TSN’s Darren Dreger has revealed two key developments that paved the way to Philadelphia signing Shea Weber to a 14-year, $110 million offer sheet.

The first is that Nashville GM David Poile and Philly GM Paul Holmgren were in trade talks for Weber — talks that stalled, according to Dreger, with several deadlines passed. Holmgren simply grew tired of waiting, and signed Weber to the sheet.

The second development is equally important, and tied into the first:

Poile was asking for a boatload in return (as you’d expect.)

“Won’t spent much time scouring for Weber trade details,” Dreger tweeted. “But I’ve heard Preds wanted Couturier, Schenn and something else from Flyers. Ouch.”

“Couturier” is, of course, Sean Couturier, the 19-year-old that scored 27 points in 77 games last year in an impressive rookie campaign. He then upped the ante in a first-round victory over Pittsburgh by blanketing Evgeni Malkin and becoming the second-youngest player in NHL history to record a postseason hat-trick.

“Schenn” is presumably Brayden Schenn, 20, who had 12 goals in 54 games during the regular season, then scored nine points in 11 playoff games, finishing third on the team in assists.

(One could make the argument it’s Braydon’s brother, Luke, the 22-year-old defenseman acquired from Toronto, as the Preds might want a replacement defenseman coming back in the deal. But that would be a stretch, especially since Brayden is more highly-touted — if you’re asking for the moon in return for Weber, you’re asking for the more highly-touted Schenn.)

(Or maybe Nashville just wants ALL THE SCHENNS. H/T to JR Lind for that one.)

It’s understandable the Flyers wouldn’t want to part with Couturier and Brayden Schenn, two of the cornerstones of their young forward group. Philly already flipped 23-year-old James van Riemsdyk to Toronto — that, along with the departure of Jaromir Jagr, suggests increased roles for both Couturier and Schenn next season.

  1. phillyphever - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    If Homer wasn’t gonna trade them for Nash (thank goodness), what makes Poile think he’s gonna trade them for Weber when he could just do the offer sheet?

  2. bekay19 - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Stupid Philadelphia, taking away from Bruins day!!!

    • barkar942 - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Well, at least they didn’t do it on Ranger Day! LOL!

    • bostonhockey1 - Jul 21, 2012 at 8:24 AM

      What was bruins day I’ve been out of country for a while?

  3. dclogicatlast - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    So basically Homer called Poile’s bluff. Poile should have taken Matt Read, Mezaros, and as many first round picks as possible. It would have been better than simply 4 firsts.

  4. freneticgarfieldfan - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    I honestly hope either this albatross contract or the retribution for the offer sheet will blow in the faces of both Holmgren and this arrogant Philly franchise

    • williplett - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      I guess being spiteful and vengeful is easier than being a Preds fan at this point.

      Blame Mr.Poile.

      • williplett - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        Poile wanted Couturier and Schenn, two youngsters who showed up big time in the playoffs at the age of 19 and 20 respectively, and “something else”. Is it so wrong to guess that the “something else” was probably a few first round picks or the next few top prospects in the Flyers pipeline?

        As good as Weber is, why would you make that trade if you knew that the you could simply submit an offer sheet and possibly get him for four late first round picks that may-or may not-even pan out? If Weber turns out to be the missing piece in Philly, a few of those picks could essentially be second round picks, for all intensive purposes.

        Seems like Poile worked himself into a corner here by going full Howson on the situation and asking for a bit too much without ever really offering Weber a deal that was franchise friendly. I guess my point is, WTF is Poile up to? How do you end up signing a guy to a 14 year contract that you did not negotiate?

    • balewsquare - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      Everyone always says RFA offer sheets are against the “GM code,” then one finally goes out and does it, and everyone calls him a genius – doesn’t quite add up to me. I don’t blame Holmgren…I’m not a Flyers fan but this is brilliant.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:48 PM

        Actually, it’s mostly Burkie that huffs and puffs about some alleged “GM code.” The rest of the hockey world knows it as something else: perfectly legitimate business.

    • dcabello528 - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:58 PM

      You jealous douche! I’m so sick and tired of the “keyboard toughguys”. WAH! WAH! Dad,the Flyers did it again Dad,They stole my guy….WAH!!!WAH!!! Grow up dude!! Don’t hate the Flyers because they can go and give someone 110 million bucks!! As a Philadelphian,WE ARE NOT FRAUDS LIKE OTHER CITIES (i.e NASHVILLE). We actually know the sport well,and we support our franchise,so they CAN spend the money!! STOP FU**ING CRYING ALL GOD DAMN READY!!

      • phil5111 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM

        The only reason we hate the Flyers is because of dickheads like you. Oh, and the dirty players on the team too. Just like during the playoffs, you cry, cry cry. What are you crying about now? Because people complain about the offer sheet. STFU, and enjoy. Your team should get the player you want. If anything, cry about your goaltending. That is something to really cry about. You can get Webber, Pronger and Bobby Orr back, but your goalie can’t stop the puck, anyway.

      • 28giroux28 - Jul 22, 2012 at 2:37 AM

        Dude I’m a diehard Flyers fan…and your a douchebag. Grow up.

      • phillyboy20 - Jul 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

        yea agree dude is a douche but please tell me about all the dirty players on this flyers team, closest is Rinaldo and everyone has a guy like that on their team, it isn’t the 70s anymore get over it

  5. mclovinhockey - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Where is the awesomefranchise at?

    I want him to say how homer should have made this trade rather than giving up 4 firsts…

    Once again.

    The PREDS DON’T HAVE 26 MILL TO PUT INTO ONE PLAYER NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!

    They need money and need to hit the cap floor. With that the preds are looking to add players whose cap hit is MUCH larger than they get paid next year… Like Tim Thomas…

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM

      I told ya, when the Preds match Ill be here reminding you that if homer actually came up with a contract that the Preds can’t match, the Flyers would have Weber locked up. But they didn’t

      Oh ya, have you noticed that everyone outside of Philly believes the Preds have no choice but to match?

      Oh no? Maybe you better start reading other sources, because they all say the same thing. The Preds CAN match, they DO have 26 million to put into Weber for a year, and of course they will.

      So ya
      There’s that lil bit of reality

      But don’t you worry, Ill be here to remind you of it constantly.
      It truely is funny to read the absolutely clueless yammerings here about what the Preds can’t do. So let me tell you, they already decided they will match, they were telling the truth when they said they would match any offer.

      Homers only chance was to include some sort of poison pill that made it impossible for the Preds. Seriously LOL at all you who think that 26 million accomplishes that end.

      The value of the franchise will drop 26 million over a 5 year period without Weber. That 26 million would be made up over a 15 year period no problem in selling everything Weber in Nashville.
      So here’s more education for the dim-witted, The Preds can’t afford to let Weber go, they may as well start packing for QC for 2015 if they did.

      I know I know, you think that the Preds are not sitting there saying “All we need to do is get by the 1st year and we have the best D man and most marketable player we ever had locked us for the rest of his life”
      You assume that 26 LOL Million is such a # that they just can’t do it. You even put it in CAPS.
      So when they do, like everyone who is anyone thinks they have no choice to do, what are you going to say then?

      Nothing hopefully, but you will probably say something to the effect of “Oh well we lost nothing”

      Just the chance to do a contract that would have 100% landed Weber but failed.

      But instead were going to have Nash all over again in 1 season

      • flyersphaithful48 - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:03 AM

        I’m sorry @theawesomersfranchise… But that 26 mil has to be be paid in the next 347 days. They are guaranteed signing bonuses, not over the next 15 years. You don’t understand contract structure to save your life. I’m not saying the flyers have it in the bag and the predators can’t match… I’m saying that their fan base doesn’t give the support to make such a deal feasible. We will see who gets weber, but I’m just letting you know you don’t know what you’re talking about saying that’s paid within the next 15 years. Signing bonuses have to be paid before the start of any season.

        The next two years look like this…
        26 mil up front signing bonuses. 1 million in salary.
        The next two…
        26 mil up front signing bonuses. 1 million salary.

        That’s 52 million of guaranteed money UP FRONT before seasons start.

        Plus not including the fact that weber doesn’t want to play for the predators and they have to wait one full calendar year to trade him (in which 27 million total would need to be paid out) you can’t pay a guy 27 million when you only bring in 26 million in revenue. Basically renting a player for 27 million for one year before some other team blasts him with a huge contract offer when he becomes a UFA.

        Your argument has opinionated flaws.

        Look at the facts then come talk to me

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

      And look at you talking about the cap floor….
      Thinking it makes your point when it fact it only points to the Preds definitely matching.

      I swear you’re the most dense and foolish poster here. Next to the Pens fan and they guy who hates them of course.

  6. ct14flyers - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Anybody else think Couturier is a future Selke winner? and of course Poile should ask for the moon. Just turns out the ballsiest GM in hockey said no.

  7. coopjr - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    FWAPP! “I don’t think so. Homer don’t play dat.”

  8. martysbetter - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Damn what a year for the Flyers, first they win the cup in 6 games against the Penguins and now this!

    • ct14flyers - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

      Still sore about Parise?

      • lordfletcher - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM

        not us Wild fans :D

      • martysbetter - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM

        Who?

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:41 PM

        Yeah, all things considered, I, as a loyal and devoted Wild fan, couldn’t give a rat’s arse about where Weber ends up. I will say though that this is a horrible time to be a Preds fan. All I really have to say I guess is, sucks to be you guys. Go Wild.

  9. ray2013 - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Since they have $29 million(!) in cap space, they have to spend to get to the cap floor. Given the UFA players left, they really don’t have much of an option other than to match. What is he supposed to do; let him walk and sign Semin to a one-year $10 million dollar contract to get to the cap floor?

  10. jimw81 - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Polie shot for the moon and wind up with a moon pie.

  11. mclovinhockey - Jul 19, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    We know they have to spend, but they don’t have the money to match paying 24 mill this year to a 7.8 cap hit then pay 5.2 million elsewhere to reach the floor… That’s 29.2 million of spending rather than 13 million to hit the floor…. IF they had the 30 million the deal would be done by now.

  12. drummerdave20 - Jul 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    suck it, Nashville!

  13. joebuckiscreepy - Jul 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    Asking for that much in this situation is more arrogant than the ridiculous offer sheet. Good for Homer.

  14. jkaflagg - Jul 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    If Nashville wanted both Couturier & Schenn, then Holmgren did the right thing – 4 low first round picks would be a steal. However, if Nashville would settle for a package built around around Couturier only (I assume Schenn is off the table due to the “Brothers Schenn” thing), Holmgren should have sacked up and make the deal. Dean Lombardi sure didn’t want to trade Schenn last year, but he thought Richards could be a key piece and was willing to trade the best prospect in hockey (and risk his job as well), and as a result he’s hanging around with the Cup this summer. A great prospect who probably tops out as a second line center and some secondary pieces for the best defenseman in hockey ? Think Holmgren would or should have made that deal if it were there…..Funny how everyone is screaming at Scott Howson for overvaluing Rick Nash, but nobody gives Holmgren any guff about hanging on to his kid forwards instead of adding a top defenseman……

    • flyers22 - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

      what are u insane? that makes no sense at all im sorry but a 19 year old who shut down the leagues mvp last year and added 27 points on the 4th line is not worth nash straight up dont get me wrong nash is filthy and would score 40+ next to giroux but no one is gonna freak out at him for not trading two rookies with such high potential besides why would we trade them when we can just sign him to an offer sheet, out price nashville and take the chance like we just did.

  15. charlesanakin - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    If the Preds have to sell their first born children or the owner has to take out a second mortgage on his mansion they will match the offer. Everyone says this was a brilliant move by Homgren but to me it reeks of desperation and frustration. He went into the off-season determined to shake things up then he failed to get Suter, he failed to trade for Nash or Ryan and when he wasn’t getting the better end of a Weber deal he just got pissed and flailed.
    When the Preds were trying to keep Suter they stated all along that they wanted/were going to be closer to a cap ceiling than a cap floor team, that means they were willing to spend in the neighborhood of $70 this season. So even if they have to lay out $27 million for a massively front-loaded deal and even if that hurts they will do it. In many ways Philly did them a favor by giving Weber to Nash for a cap number that was lower than Weber would have gotten under any other circumstances. I will laugh my butt off if Poile signs one of Phillys huge stars to an offer sheet in a couple of years when they have to sign a lot of good young players and still deal with that IDIOTIC Pronger contract.

    • stevierod - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      Your lack of intelligence with regards to the flyers is laughable. The Flyers always look to add top talent on their team, but Holmgren wasn’t going to give up the kings ransom for Weber/Nash/Ryan. Especially if he could get Weber in this case for 4 draft picks.

      As for the Preds being more at the cap ceiling… yeah they would have tried to do that if they could have kept the team they had together because they could legitimately make a cup run, now that Suter is gone, and Weber hanging in the balance, they are re-evaluating that stance. If it was so easy they would just match the offer and be done with it. The ONLY good point you make is that Poile will most likely come back and try to play the same game with Holmgren with one of the young players they have now. But I can say the the Flyers organization typically tries to offer contracts prior to players getting to that point.

  16. suckitny - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    People clearly don’t see the strategy. Weber was gonna be a UFA next summer and we don’t want our rivals to land him. Think about it people! Even if Nashville matches he won’t ever go to an Atlantic Division rival… Just like Suter and Parise. I love it!

    • stevierod - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM

      That is a very good point. Keep one of the best D-men in the game out of your Division. Keep that 100 mph laser away from Bryz… (enter your Bryz not stoping anything joke here.)

  17. kvanhorn87 - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    @awesome – I have not seen one Philadelphia fan saying that there is no way the Preds match. The vast majority believe 100% that they will. At best (no chance) the flyers get the best d man in NHL. Worst case, he is locked in to the Preds for next 14 years, guaranteeing he never goes to devils, pens, rangers. All in all, this is a no lose situation.

  18. mclovinhockey - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Looks like every one here agrees with me Fran…
    Well at least everyone who has an IQ higher than the freezing point of water.

    I never said its 100% we get weber, but it is 100% that Philly hurts the preds and makes sure weber doesn’t end up on NY or Pitt.

    Let’s not forget that weber gets paid this 26 mill even if there is a lockout because it’s a signing bonus…. That puts Nash in an even scarier place.

    Don’t forget, the flyers try to win the cup every year… They did nothing but get worse this offseason. This is much better than trading proven players who are worth more than 4 firsts themselves. So this is a smart move long term as well as short term

    As for next year. Weber being a UFA means phillys price would have had to be higher… Pitt would have offered more money, so would the rangers as well as teams like Detroit.

    Sorry but this is a smart move no matter how you cut it.

  19. mclovinhockey - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Looks like every one here agrees with me Fran…
    Well at least everyone who has an IQ higher than the freezing point of water.

    I never said its 100% we get weber, but it is 100% that Philly hurts the preds and makes sure weber doesn’t end up on NY or Pitt.

    Let’s not forget that weber gets paid this 26 mill even if there is a lockout because it’s a signing bonus…. That puts Nash in an even scarier place.

    Don’t forget, the flyers try to win the cup every year… They did nothing but get worse this offseason. This is much better than trading proven players who are worth more than 4 firsts themselves. So this is a smart move long term as well as short term

    As for next year. Weber being a UFA means phillys price would have had to be higher… Pitt would have offered more money, so would the rangers as well as teams like Detroit.

    Sorry but this is a smart move no matter how you cut it.

    Oh and if the preds do keep webs, look for them to make trades for players with big cap hits who don’t get paid much… They will need at least 3 contracts like Tim Thomas in order to try to even things out.

  20. icdogg - Jul 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    All your Schenns are belong to us.

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