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Agent: Weber doesn’t want to go through another rebuilding process

Jul 19, 2012, 8:00 PM EDT

Shea Weber #6 of the Nashville Predators awaits a face off against the Phoenix Coyotes in Game One of the Western Conference Semifinals during the 2012 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs at Jobing.com Arena on April 27, 2012 in Glendale, Arizona. The Coyotes defeated the Predators 4-3 in overtime.
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Shea Weber’s agent, Jarrett Bousquet, spoke with TSN after his client agreed to a massively frontloaded 14-year offer sheet with the Philadelphia Flyers.

It seems reasonable to assume that Weber wouldn’t have agreed to that deal unless he wanted to play for the Flyers, so it’s not surprising that Bousquet was asked about the possibility of the Nashville Predators retaining his client by matching the offer.

“I don’t think you sign an offer sheet unless your pointing in that one direction,” Bousquet said. He added that it’s really up to the Predators, but “he’d like to play with the Philadelphia Flyers.”

According to his agent, Weber doesn’t want to go through another rebuilding process. When asked if Weber would be in this position had Ryan Suter re-signed with the Predators, Bousquet speculated that things would be different.

It sounds like it could get fairly awkward if Nashville decides to match the Philadelphia Flyers offer, but Bousquet thinks the hard feeling can be overcome in that event.

Bousquet said everyone’s professional in Nashville and he even cited Weber’s arbitration case with the Predators last summer as evidence that this situation can be overcome.

“I think as soon as we got out of the courtroom and went for dinner, the hard feelings were all gone,” Bousquet said.

Bousquet also said that he warned the Predators that there was an offer sheet coming with the Flyers to give Nashville a chance to trade him first. However, that obviously didn’t work out.

  1. bcisleman - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    One bright spot for NAS: w/o effective goaltending, its doubtful PHI will go deep. Probably looking at 4 picks in the 15-20 range. Stack that up vs a disgruntled Weber . Maybe they match and hope to trade him. Hard to say, but surely a tough offseason for NAS and their fans.

    • sgtr0c - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

      Yeah, that……or maybe the 21-29 type picks like the last 5 years. Just like the article says, if Suter
      would have stayed………but he didn’t. This isn’t the Flyers fault, Pred fans, it is the Pred’s management.

      • bcisleman - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

        Without good goaltending, I don’t see PHI matching the 27th & 29th overall finishes they’ve had in last 5. Not sure how the Pred management can be blamed. Suter apparently wanted to go home and blindsided Poile. Arguably Poile could have moved both players but they were the face of his franchise and he felt he could keep them. Philly is playing w/in system, so I am not sure fault is relevant, but teams that throw around offer sheets as the Flyers apparently have in the past do not engender good will with other GMs.

      • lordfletcher - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

        Suter didn’t blindside Poile or Nashville… Poile didn’t lock him up last year and let a UFA walk on his own terms, or return but no one expected that to happen outside of Nashville.

        As for other GM’s worried about Philly tossing a sheet at Weber, no one cares. It’s business and only one GM was willing to sacrifice 4 years of draft picks, assuming Poile wouldn’t be able to match… Also it’s well documented that they were trying to make a trade but Poile wanted the farm!!!! I guarantee you Philly would have wanted to make a trade happen if they could have… it’s a bold move trading 4, 1st round picks.. one that can pay off immediately and the exact opposite for long term success. Time will tell but lucky for Philly they have plenty of youth and great leadership with their vets.

        It just sucks for Pred fans that they have to watch their team go from Stanley contenders, to full rebuild mode in a manner of one month, “if” Weber goes to the Flyers.

        also the Gaustad trade just keeps getting worse and worse in my eyes…

        I wonder how Nashville will get to the floor if they don’t match… they have to match. I am willing to bet Poile keeps Weber but will look to trade him soon after.

      • dbick - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

        I don’t think Holmgren really cares about getting goodwill from other GM’s. He cares about doing whatever it takes to get the Flyers to win a cup. He’s not paid to play nice and make friends, he’s paid to make deals that put the Flyers in good positions whether it means fleecing Columbus in a trade or trying to steal Weber from Nasville.

      • ray2013 - Jul 20, 2012 at 2:23 AM

        I’m not a Preds fan, but I don’t blame their management for how it went down. Media kept asking Suter and Weber what they were going to do; sign long-term deals or get traded. Suter and Weber disingenuously said that they wanted to see Nashville commit to winning. So Poile signs Rinne to a long-term deal. He makes a number of trades to load up for the playoffs. He even brings back Radulov with the blessing of both Suter and Weber to try and add scoring. I think Poile showed they want to win in Nashville.

        Had Suter simply said, no I intend to test free agency, then Nashville could have had the opportunity to trade him and bring back some combination of players, picks and prospects for Suter. Look at the Wild as a prime example. They had a high #1 pick. They apparently have the world’s greatest collection of prospects. Nashville could have traded Suter to the Wild in exchange for a high draft pick and a prospect. But Suter waited until he was a free agent, and could walk away for nothing before he said he didn’t want to stay in Nashville.

        So Suter bails on the Preds. Leaves them with nothing but a hole in the lineup. So Weber decides he wants to walk away because they’re going to have to re-build. This all comes down to Suter being completely unwilling or unable to act like a man and say what he wanted. Or maybe Weber and Suter both orchestrated this grand exit from Nashville. Who knows? But Nashville management and fans got screwed.

    • rockyspond - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM

      I have a serious question. If Weber serves out his contract and assuming a normal rate of inflation, he is likely to find himself playing for less than the NHL minimum salary in the final 3 years. It is therefore illogical for the NHL to approve this contract, no???

    • sgtr0c - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:54 PM

      You keep say goaltending, for the Flyers, will hold them up these next 4 seasons. But you admit that they have finished in the high 20’s the last couple of years…..did I miss when the Flyers had a hall of frame goalie, or are you proving my point?

  2. lordfletcher - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Thumbs up if you enjoy Dairy Queen’s ice cream cake

    • handsofsweed - Jul 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

      Don’t hate, you lactose-intolerant thumbs-downers.

  3. kingfooj - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Sure looks like all the signs are pointing northeast, atleast this is looking like more of a straight forward process than some of the other trades/signings we’ve seen this summer

  4. somekat - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    I can see Weber’s point. What is the most likely scenario if he stays? I’d say it is, 6 years from now, they are still an average team and he’s 32. By that point, they won’t want to trade him because his cap number will be twice what his salary is, so they’ll wanna keep him to get to the floor without paying it

  5. atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    The agent can say anything he wants now but if Nashville decides to match then I’m guessing they’ll come out with how grateful Weber is to be staying in Nashville and how he never really wanted to leave. Even with Suter gone Nashville isn’t in a full rebuilding mode (if they keep Weber) so that’s a bit of a sky is falling argument that just isn’t realistic.

    Now with all of that being said I’d let him go, it’ll take multiple cup wins early in this contract with Weber winning a few Norris trophies (something he is capable of obviously) and a Conn Smythe or two to justify $80 million over 6 years, great player horrible contract which is pretty much untradeable anytime in that first 6 years.

  6. wethog66 - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    “According to his agent, Weber doesn’t want to go through another rebuilding process.”

    Weber is 26 years old and the Preds lost a damn fine D-man and a drunk Russian, how much needs to be rebuilt? I don’t get it.

  7. jkline3 - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    104 points – Suter = rebuild? OK…

  8. scionofflame - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    That’s what I’m not getting either. Nashville lost: Andrei Kostitsyn, Alexander Radulov, Ryan Suter.

    How does that translate to a rebuild? Radulov we barely had and didn’t -need-, Andrei was nice but Sergei did better when he wasn’t there, and while Ryan is a big piece gone, we have a lot of D prospects that can step up.

    Preds really aren’t all that different from the team that’s made the Playoffs consistently over the last 7 of 8 playing seasons, and they’ve made the 2nd round the last two seasons. The climb isn’t as fast as most want, but there’s a steady build through the playoff ladder there.

  9. atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Anyone else think Nashville might get their revenge in 2 years when Giroux, Schenn and Courturier are all restricted free agents? Assuming this offer sheet goes through in 2014-15 the Flyers already have over $40 million tied up in 8 players.

    • mojosmagic - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:13 PM

      Could happen but would they want to sign an offer sheet to play with Nashville?

    • dbick - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

      If you really think the Flyers are going to let Giroux get away you are kidding yourself.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:07 PM

        I’m not saying he’s leaving but if July 1, 2014 rolls around and he’s an RFA I wouldn’t be shocked if Nashville throws stupid money at him, Philly is going to face a bottleneck that year for resigning players they have only 2 forwards under contract for that season

      • emoser - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:38 PM

        Except that the whole reason why Nashville may decline to match Weber’s offer is because they don’t have “stupid money” to throw around.

      • stevierod - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM

        See the problem with the arguement that Nashville will throw silly money at any player is the fact it would take MONEY to do that which is something they don’t really have to be wasting, or overpaying players. I understand the logic but it won’t happen with Giroux, Schenn, or Couturier. The Flyers will lock them into deals prior to that happening anyway.

    • isithockeyseasonyet - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:03 AM

      Haha I love this comment but I’ll be nice, no, that won’t happen

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM

        You underestimate the pettiness that NHL owners and GM’s can have towards eachother, take a look at the Sergei Fedorov offer sheet to see just how petty these guys can be.

        Do I think it will happen? No, I don’t, most teams don’t even look at the RFA market. But I’m just saying Flyers fans should remember this day two years from now if the Preds or another team decides to take a similar tactic towards the Flyers young players.

      • phillyboy20 - Jul 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM

        The flyers will sign Giroux to a long term extension well before he becomes a RFA, so no team will ever have that chance. Look at their history they don’t let big names become RFAs.

  10. chibimike - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Brilliant agent, crap on the team that can match the 14 year contract you negotiated for your client. Nashville will match the offer, they have no option. Since you negotiated a 14 year contract, Weber will play the rest of his career in Nashville unless they decide to trade him.

    • mojosmagic - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

      Most of the 110 million is paid in the first 4 years and is guaranteed even in the case of a lock out. It will be very tough financially for Nashville to match. The Flyers are owned by Comcast.You really should try reading about the offer before commenting.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

        There is the difference though
        “very difficult” vs “nearly impossible” or “stupid to match”

        Yes it’s difficult, the problem its as bad or worse by not matching
        You should really try reading about franchise values and what makes them go up and what makes them go down before commenting.

        So when the Preds match, you be sure to be back here and explain the difference between “making something difficult to match vs making something impossible to match”

        It’s like you actually believe that the Preds won’t match
        While everyone in hockey thinks the Preds have no choice but to match.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:48 PM

        And oh yes, its 68 million over the 1st 6 years
        What did you say it was Mr.Someone-should-read-the offer-before-commenting?

        110 over the 1st 4 years….
        My God

      • chibimike - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:40 PM

        All player contracts fall under the collective bargaining agreement. If there is no collective bargaining agreement, thus leading to a lockout, no contracts get paid, period. Don’t know where you got the silly idea it is guaranteed during a lockout.

      • flyersphaithful48 - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:29 AM

        Not the salary that gets paid its signing bonuses idiot. Lockout or no lockout signing bonuses get paid because THEY SIGNED.

      • Doesnotmatter - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM

        They can match the offer and trade him after one season. And that’s exactly what I would do.

      • chibimike - Jul 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM

        flyersphaithful, signing bonuses are only paid when there is a collective bargaining agreement in place. Obviously, he will get the first signing bonus because it is due before the current CBA expires. Until another CBA is in place, he won’t get any other bonuses or salary.

      • stevierod - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:45 AM

        @theawsomersfranchise

        you seem to be putting a lot of stock into what “everyone else” in hockey is saying. The Preds do not have that kind of cash, I’m not saying that they will match the offer but I’m also not saying the will not match it. They have to go through some serious financials. Lets face it Nashville does not generate the same revenue that larger market hockey teams.

        Its like the Oakland A’s, great young players but have a hell of a time keeping the players there given the financial stance of the organization.

      • flyersphaithful48 - Jul 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM

        @Chibimike yes I understand… But the first year
        Putting out those signing bonuses for a season that may not get played is an unreasonable idea for a hurting franchise… That’s what makes it do difficult, know what I mean?

  11. mojosmagic - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Even with Weber Nashville isn’t very good. I would take the picks, turn a few into trades for young players and move forward. The new CBA might help them in the future.

  12. dannythebisforbeast - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    @bcisleman. Can you tell me exactly when the Flyers had good goaltending in any of hose years you mention. I know Bryz was a train wreck last year but so was their D. Hence Weber along with Schenn. Think they could make Bryz look above average possibly which would be better than what they have had since as long as I can remember. Still won’t believe until its a done deal but this news is a step in the right direction

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:12 PM

      The last time the Flyers had really good goaltending was during Hextall’s first reign with the team, maybe the Eric Lindros trade brought a curse on the Flyers goaltending situation?

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM

        Pelle Lindbergh was a crushing blow

  13. dannythebisforbeast - Jul 19, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    Yea have to agree. If they want Giroux it will not get to that point. Homey don’t play that.

    Question:

    How was suter an UFA and Weber a RFA?

    Similar ages contracts etc.

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:58 PM

      Suter’s 27, Weber’s 26. UFA once you hit 27.

    • handsofsweed - Jul 20, 2012 at 5:38 PM

      “Homey don’t play that.” Classic!! Almost as classic as the Flyers invariably getting hit over the head by a stuffed-sock-wielding clown every single spring.

  14. dannythebisforbeast - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    Rockyspond

    My answer is I have no idea. How was kovalchuks deal no good but all these career long contracts are. logic dictates Bettman makes it up as he goes along similar to Shanny.

  15. xaf605 - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Ok losing suter and weber sucks but its not the end of the world lets face it neither player ever really played as well as they could have if one was out of the line up so i say good riddance to both and lets go predators

  16. rockyspond - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    Danny

    You raise a fine comparison with the Kovy saga. Maybe Nashville’s best option is to challenge the validity of the Philly/Weber contract and ask for it to be restructured to a point where they can match it. Failing that though, i would definitely take the 4 picks and try to package some of them ASAP to someone up against cap trouble for a top 4 dman ( Hjalmarsson ? ) and/or a top 6 forward ( Hemsky maybe ? ). Other teams offer options too…the Rangers have a lot of defensemen. Just speculating.

  17. mikeincmn - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Nashville will match. They wont like doing it, but they will. They are starting to gain some traction in that market in regards to ticket sales, fan interest and ratings.

    I will grant you it isnt the same hockey hungry area as Philly, but it is still a pretty decent success story in regards to the southern teams. Letting Weber go would crush a lot of that.

  18. rockyspond - Jul 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    An addendum to my last post:

    2013 is expected to be a very strong draft year. An extra 1st round pick might be just the thing needed for someone to trade a valuable piece in order to swing a deal for Bobby Ryan.

  19. dannythebisforbeast - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    I guess that’s end of season cuz he’s 27 in a month. Well I guess the flyers killed any chance of him signing a one year deal and being UFA next year. Homey said FU rest of the NHL.

    • 28giroux28 - Jul 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM

      Well, Weber has said on multiple occasions he wouldn’t sign for one year again. Holmgren knew it was now or never, and when Nashville stalled trade talks, he went the RFA route.

  20. Doesnotmatter - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:14 AM

    How does losing one player in Ryan Suter equate to starting a new re-build ??? That’s just total BS right there. I hope Nashville matches the offer just to make this more complicated for Snider, Holmgren and Weber. Say it, Shea, its about the cash.

  21. dclogicatlast - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:48 AM

    You’d pay him $27 mil and then trade him? At that point you might as well keep him.

  22. snipercat81 - Jul 20, 2012 at 8:20 AM

    Bryzgalov is a good goalie.. Not Allstar but he is good. And now with championship defense infront of him especially if pronger is able to come back…

    Pronger. Weber
    Schenn. Coburn
    Mesaros. Timonon

    Bryzgalov will have a bounce back year.. They have added two big prices too their d core so too say they won’t go far isn’t a fair statement. If their coach realizes how too use what he has and change their system and play a score off the rush defense system with giving giroux + company the go ahead to do what they want.. They can very well be a championship team

  23. mcline88 - Jul 20, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    The Predators don’t have a major attendance problem – they sell 97.5% of tickets, good for 18th in the league – but they don’t charge a lot (average ticket– $51) and their home, the Bridgestone Arena, has a limited capacity (17,100). As such, they only collected $24 million (projected) in gate receipts in 2010-2011 (likely a bit more last season). So, if they match the Flyers’ offer to Weber, they will probably pay him more – $27 million – over the next 12 months than they will receive in ticket revenue.

    How do the Predators’ finances compare to some of the most valuable teams in the league? Well, let’s look at the Flyers, who rank eighth in Forbes’ valuations (that seems low, but Canadian teams and the Rangers have massive profit margins): According to Forbes, the Flyers collected $54 million in gate receipts and generated a total revenue of $111 million in 2010-2011, compared to the Predators’ $24 million in gate receipts and $75 million in revenue (projected). The Flyers, of course, didn’t lose $7 million– they profited a pedestrian $3.2 million. And none of this is to mention the deep pockets of Comcast Spectacor backing the Flyers, which makes their profit numbers inconsequential.
    (cited from Crossingbroad.com)

  24. jimw81 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    How can preds owners give weber 27 million if the owners are dumping 50 million dollars of their own money past 5 yrs in order to meet payroll? They are Phoenix part 2

  25. ninozlatino - Jul 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Sucks for Predator fans. But unless you watched Bryz in net night after night you begin to understand why we need Weber so bad. Holmgren made a mistake on that crazy dude. He’s doing all he can to cover up for it.

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