Comments on: Capitals re-sign Green: three years, $18.25 million

By: rockthered1286

rockthered1286 — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:10:19 +0000

@napoleon:
When did I ever say I was against Crosby’s contract? I didn’t. I said it’s unfair to give Green a bunch of shat for injuries when Crosby is in the same boat. And I’m not saying he has a higher reqard but I will say this: Count the # of guys who can potentially hit the offensive numbers Crosby does. I can say about 6-10 in any given year (primarily Ovi, Malkin, Stamkos, either Sedin, Nash). Now count how many 2 time Norris Trophy candidates have had back to back seasons where they put up 130+ pts. Not saying he WILL hit that number, but if we are talking upside and best case scenario, there it is. For $3M less per year and several years less, that’s the Caps upside for Green.

@soupcansid-
So would you also say Peyton Manning is still the best QB in the NFL even though he’s missed extended time? Give me a full season before backing up your “best in the game” claim. If he puts up this year, I’ll shut up about it, but I need more proof than a handful of games to end the season and one round of the playoffs where they lost.

By: napoleonblownapart6887

napoleonblownapart6887 — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:13:43 +0000

Don’t necessarily have an issue with the Green deal. It’s risk and reward. If he can stay healthy your probably underpaying him. If he can’t well then it probably wasn’t worth it.

All contracts, no matter the term, no matter the player are exercises in risk and prospecting. With that in mind, both the Crosby deal and the Green deal are fine. Neither team should be catching flak for the deal.

I will say this though: the possible reward is a lot higher on the Crosby side than the Green side, but I would assume no one would argue that, no matter what they “rock.”

By: creasemasta41

creasemasta41 — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:17:46 +0000

I would only take doughty, chara, byfuglien, karlsson, and maybe keith and myers over him. Visnovsky, boyle and timmonen are too old, and bouwmeester just doesn’t put up the numbers to justify his cap hit. Burns and seabrook seem to have a 50 point cap, where as the guys i named could quite possibly make it to 60 and some even 70. For green this contract seems just fine compared to other similar players

By: bmoreredfury311

bmoreredfury311 — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 02:08:23 +0000

really twice in a the first round and your goin to talk about the Caps…please

By: skinsfan121

skinsfan121 — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:43:44 +0000

amen! im tired of the crosby double standard anyone ese does the EXACT same things as him and they get sh!t on for it. and i believe Crosby’s injury riddled body and brain had a fat monstrous contract far more painful to swallow than washington giving him 6 mil a season…….and they are still 11 mil UNDER the cap….i dont have a problem with this as long as he stays healthy thats the key

By: bcjim

bcjim — Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:12:24 +0000

Fine, I dont agree with all but he is still therefore in good company $$ wise if you better than half the list.

And JBo is supposedly the most overpaid dman in the league according to many, Keith is spotty, Burns, eh,.

Doughty is the only one I would take for sure. Chara is old, Karlsson is Green 2.0, Boyle is old, etc.

By: bmoreredfury311

bmoreredfury311 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:20:20 +0000

@jpelle82

Come on man you gotta read the crap that you type and say to yourself “wow I’m an idiot”

I don’t know if you saw the same game i did, but i saw a player sacrifice for his team and take a shot to the head. Then for you to say “i will give him credit for blocking more shots but he has poor technique in that even. see video….lmao.”

I know this is a dumb question to ask, but im going to do it any ways.. How NHL games have you played as a D-man? I’m going to take a shot in the dark and say none. Just don’t knock a guy for using his head.

By: soupcansid

soupcansid — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:27 +0000

crosby didn’t get a raise for missing a full years worth of games. green got a raise. crosby is still the best player in the game and green isn’t even the best player on his team.

By: soupcansid

soupcansid — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:34:12 +0000

and they couldn’t make it passed the second round yet again. now they lose one of their best shooters and give a raise to an injury prone “d” man? they still have to pay carlson long term

By: soupcansid

soupcansid — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:31:18 +0000

hit the nail on the head.

By: bmoreredfury311

bmoreredfury311 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:17:29 +0000

Yea GREEN BEAN ARMY BOY! Soupcan army ain’t sh!t !!! jk not stepping down to their level…

Great for Greenie and the caps, cant wait til Oct 12th. hopefully theirs a season to watch this year

By: jimw81

jimw81 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:57:28 +0000

He’s a turnover machine just like Matt Carle. He’s injury prone and disgraced the Norris Trophy at the same time.

By: govtminion

govtminion — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:36:03 +0000

I live in the D.C. area, watch most Caps games, and haven’t been impressed by Green in some time. Is it so hard to accept that someone may not agree with your assessment, you have to jump to claiming that they don’t know what they’re talking about at all?

By: caps247

caps247 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:24:49 +0000

Gotta love the Caps-Pens rivalry, huh? Haters gonna hate.

By: caps247

caps247 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:23:26 +0000

Crosby will retire before Ovechkin will decline.

He was only in the top 5 for scoring in the NHL last year. Watch out people, he’s declining because he can’t get 50+ goals a year anymore.

And keep in mind, Ovechkin found a way to score and make the most of his time in a defense-first system, especially with career lows in TOI in the playoffs. He’s not declining, but learning and finding better ways to add some offense.

By: rockthered1286

rockthered1286 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:18:38 +0000

@jpelle
Wow you read me like a book from one comment, huh? OR, we could say that I’ve been playing hockey since I was a kid and I’ve watched the Caps since I was a kid, right around the time Carrey was traded to the Bruins for Oatesy and Tochett (amongst other parts being moved) and I can proudly say I come from a hockey family. This comparison was made based on one thing and one thing only: big name. big contract. serious injuries over the past few seasons. I was simply stating that Green is catching flack because he’s had some down D years up til 2011-12, had some injuries, and people automatically call him garbage and say he’s overpaid. On the other hand, you have Crosby coming off of 2 injury plagued seasons who’s always been referred to as not as physical of a player as he should be (put nicely, a wuss). So 2 players with the same injury situation, the same issue where they’re being knocked for an aspect of their game, and yet Crosby was never questioned for his contract, while Green is being scrutinized. That’s about it. Name me another player with a similar situation and I’ll compare those 2, it just happened to be a Pitt player and Pens fans are so insecure they think anytime you mention Crosby it’s an attack on them. Get over yourselves.

And regarding the fairweather fan comment, and stating I didn’t know a team existed until 2005: considering the Pens fanbase was down to nothing prior to Crosby, I’d say maybe throwing stones in a glass house isn’t the best idea now is it?

By: jpelle82

jpelle82 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:06:31 +0000

what does crosby have to do with green? you’re one of those come along caps fans that just found out in 2005 there was a team in washington. just have to mention the penguins but talk about haters hatin’. lol…stew over the media fabricated caps – pens rivalry some more as you watch malkin continue to improve while ovechkin continues to decline. great draft in 2004.

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:03:38 +0000

Uh, lemme see…I’d take Doughty, Chara, Yandle, Bouwmeester, Boyle, Keith, Karlsson, Burns, Seabrook, potentially even Timmonen and Visnovsky. So, about half of them.

By: rockthered1286

rockthered1286 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:51:12 +0000

Well put Jim. Agree 100%.

As far as Sasha goes, the ONLY reason I’d resign him is because he now has a chip on his shoulder, realizing that the market is not as lucrative as he thought and nobody is clamoring for a player with good stats but poor attitude, penalties, etc. I can imagine we could bring him back for a 2 yr deal and that offense would be potent under Oatesy.

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:47:34 +0000

Bruins fan here. Why exactly would I be jealous of Green?

By: capsfan19

capsfan19 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:46:59 +0000

Greenie is making that alex semin money?!? Eh thats a bit much but id rather him over wideman!
It all depends on how he does this season and then i will judge this contract.

By: jpelle82

jpelle82 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:42:33 +0000

not many people have watched green play since 2010 because he has barely played. i watch the caps all the time, he gets burned trying to pinch, gets outworked in his own corners and often blows coverage in front of his net. he is weak on his stick, guys get under him all the time. i will give him credit for blocking more shots but he has poor technique in that even. see video….lmao.

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:40:50 +0000

As opposed to the people who base Green’s value going forward on two seasons from two years ago?

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:39:05 +0000

FWIW I didn’t praise that deal–I mocked it.

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:37:11 +0000

And you said it yourself–the last time he was good ended in 2010.

By: caps247

caps247 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:35:11 +0000

GMGM always keeps to himself if he’s gonna sign someone or not. I kind of hope he signs Sasha (Semin for those non-Caps fans) because Ribeiro/Backstrom would create some nice opportunities. However on the other hand, CSNWashington reports that we signed Wojtek Wolski for a real cheap price to “replace Semin”. If GMGM doesn’t resign Sasha I hope Wolski can bounce back from his past couple seasons.

As for Green, the real topic here, sure he’s not the best defender but to say he’s not stepped up his D means you are either a hater, don’t watch Caps games, or are just plain ignorant. Regardless of who it was, everybody learned an important lesson from Hunter, whether it was the system or the will to sacrifice whatever it took to win.

I’m looking forward to Green having a bounce-back and healthy year.

By: jpelle82

jpelle82 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:35:01 +0000

he’s barely capable of walking without getting hurt, much less ever coming close to 70 pts again.

By: bcjim

bcjim — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:17:18 +0000

BTW, here is a list of comparables.

http://capgeek.com/comparables.php?season=2012&player=853

How many of these would anyone take over Green? Factoring in age/term/skill/etc…Answer: Not that many.

So spare me.

By: bcjim

bcjim — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:14:27 +0000

More amusing hate spewing….Semin sucks, Green sucks, Ovi sucks…sure they do.

If you want a hamfisted dman fine go get one. We’ll stick with Green, thanks.

Why are so many non Caps fans so concerned about Caps players? Jealousy? Hm? Hm?

Good work GMGM, now resign Semin please.

By: thegronk87

thegronk87 — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:43:58 +0000

Green sucks.