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	<title>Comments on: Report: Owners make bold initial CBA proposals</title>
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		<title>By: odj810</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[after this initial proposal I will defanetly be on the players side in this lockout. Both sides have stated things are working well and they just need to work out a few kinks and issues. That strikes me as a drastic change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after this initial proposal I will defanetly be on the players side in this lockout. Both sides have stated things are working well and they just need to work out a few kinks and issues. That strikes me as a drastic change.</p>
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		<title>By: irishjackmp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[irishjackmp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing the NFL and NBA negotiations should have taught the NHLPA.... millionaires can&#039;t outlast billionaires at the negotiating table. Players can puff their chest out all they want about &quot;no rollbacks&quot; but the reality is, with the NFL and NBA at 50/50 splits, there is no way the NHLPA is getting to stay at 57%.

 The league obviously offered 46% so they have some room to move up their offer but I doubt the league goes past 50% seeing how owners in other leagues were successful playing hardball in negotiations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing the NFL and NBA negotiations should have taught the NHLPA&#8230;. millionaires can&#8217;t outlast billionaires at the negotiating table. Players can puff their chest out all they want about &#8220;no rollbacks&#8221; but the reality is, with the NFL and NBA at 50/50 splits, there is no way the NHLPA is getting to stay at 57%.</p>
<p> The league obviously offered 46% so they have some room to move up their offer but I doubt the league goes past 50% seeing how owners in other leagues were successful playing hardball in negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: ewampus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ewampus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sweet that lost year of hockey is really looking like it was really worth it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet that lost year of hockey is really looking like it was really worth it</p>
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		<title>By: ravenscaps48</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89461</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ravenscaps48]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just giving a somewhat decent example to relate to the common folk. That&#039;s all I was trying to do... Carry on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just giving a somewhat decent example to relate to the common folk. That&#8217;s all I was trying to do&#8230; Carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: chiadam</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89442</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chiadam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unlike Pawn Stars, the CBA negotiations are actually real. No actors involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Pawn Stars, the CBA negotiations are actually real. No actors involved.</p>
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		<title>By: ravenscaps48</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ravenscaps48]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Owners are just fishing to see how low can they go. The NHLPA would never agree to any of these terms, but the Owners would probably want to meet somwhere in the middle.... This is just like every episode of Pawn Stars. Yeah, that battle ax from the 15th century is believed to be worth $20,000... I&#039;ll offer you $3,000...... SAME THING GOING ON HERE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Owners are just fishing to see how low can they go. The NHLPA would never agree to any of these terms, but the Owners would probably want to meet somwhere in the middle&#8230;. This is just like every episode of Pawn Stars. Yeah, that battle ax from the 15th century is believed to be worth $20,000&#8230; I&#8217;ll offer you $3,000&#8230;&#8230; SAME THING GOING ON HERE!</p>
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		<title>By: freneticgarfieldfan</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[freneticgarfieldfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I think it&#039;s a 19.3% drop (46/57).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think it&#8217;s a 19.3% drop (46/57).</p>
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		<title>By: 1943mrmojorisin1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1943mrmojorisin1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The owners decided to fire the opening shot so they had to do so emphatically. A guy at a big-time Canadian hockey network is leaked this? I wonder how that happened. One of the owners must speak French or something. 

Surely there&#039;s no way they&#039;re serious...and don&#039;t call them Shirley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners decided to fire the opening shot so they had to do so emphatically. A guy at a big-time Canadian hockey network is leaked this? I wonder how that happened. One of the owners must speak French or something. </p>
<p>Surely there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;re serious&#8230;and don&#8217;t call them Shirley.</p>
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		<title>By: thecgroup</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thecgroup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When do us fans get to declare our demands during the cba?  Oh thats right, its not about us.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do us fans get to declare our demands during the cba?  Oh thats right, its not about us&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: paledevil</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paledevil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HOLY Cow you MAGNIFICENT BEAUTY you and your guys did it WTG !!! 

Now that thats out of the way Seeing as there will be no season until 2013 Form a Stanley cup defense regiment in case the Owner Try to repo it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOLY Cow you MAGNIFICENT BEAUTY you and your guys did it WTG !!! </p>
<p>Now that thats out of the way Seeing as there will be no season until 2013 Form a Stanley cup defense regiment in case the Owner Try to repo it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikeincmn</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikeincmn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At this point the question shouldnt be, will there be a lockout? Rather,  it should be how long of one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point the question shouldnt be, will there be a lockout? Rather,  it should be how long of one?</p>
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		<title>By: blomfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blomfeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CLOSE AMIDSHIPS !

Another indicator friends that &quot;all&quot; will be well !  Personally, I have &quot;every&quot; confidence that Gary will be able to strike an &quot;agreeable&quot; accord together with comrade Fehr !  Just stop and think about it for a second ... with lone exception of NFL and collegiate football, our &quot;wonderful&quot; game of NHL hockey is the only sport out there today, which is actually &quot;growing&quot; human attendance !  And we all know that&#039;s is in &quot;no small way&quot; owing to the tremendous efforts of Gary and his staff !

GO BETTMAN GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :) 

*** special video selection for Bettman and Fehr ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dhZ2VjbxQQ&amp;feature=player_embedded]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLOSE AMIDSHIPS !</p>
<p>Another indicator friends that &#8220;all&#8221; will be well !  Personally, I have &#8220;every&#8221; confidence that Gary will be able to strike an &#8220;agreeable&#8221; accord together with comrade Fehr !  Just stop and think about it for a second &#8230; with lone exception of NFL and collegiate football, our &#8220;wonderful&#8221; game of NHL hockey is the only sport out there today, which is actually &#8220;growing&#8221; human attendance !  And we all know that&#8217;s is in &#8220;no small way&#8221; owing to the tremendous efforts of Gary and his staff !</p>
<p>GO BETTMAN GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>*** special video selection for Bettman and Fehr ***</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='635' height='388' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/7dhZ2VjbxQQ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>By: paledevil</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paledevil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yea but when the jokes not funny anymore it beings an insult]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea but when the jokes not funny anymore it beings an insult</p>
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		<title>By: firemarshal1</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firemarshal1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My prediction is revenue split will be at 52 percent going to the players.  The free agency will be at 28 years old, rookie contracts will be four years.   Like or not, NHLPA should take it.  Remember, if you weren&#039;t playing hockey do think you could make the same amount money doing something else on the outside in the real world?   Economy is still, people are still hurting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction is revenue split will be at 52 percent going to the players.  The free agency will be at 28 years old, rookie contracts will be four years.   Like or not, NHLPA should take it.  Remember, if you weren&#8217;t playing hockey do think you could make the same amount money doing something else on the outside in the real world?   Economy is still, people are still hurting.</p>
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		<title>By: jimw81</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimw81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All you can do know is just laugh at nhl proposals, Especially with Craig Leipold sitting in the room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you can do know is just laugh at nhl proposals, Especially with Craig Leipold sitting in the room.</p>
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		<title>By: blackhawkslove</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blackhawkslove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I laughed so hard at these proposals]]></description>
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		<title>By: bensawesomeness</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bensawesomeness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alot of these seem....really unreasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot of these seem&#8230;.really unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: pftbillsfan</title>
		<link>http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/report-owners-make-bold-first-cba-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-89382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pftbillsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Half the teams in the league could be retracted and no one would care.  The semi finals lost to reruns of nick at nite shows, forget revenue percentages.  Increase fan and viewer enjoyment,  leave the sideshow landscape of jokes for penalties on potentially life altering cheap shots and showcase skill.  I love hockey, but if these are the main points of contention there is a bigger problem.  By the way, the whole ratings are up and so is revenue is legalese smartly included by nhlpa leadership last cba talks.  Nielsen ratings don&#039;t carry weight anymore and not factoring team debt against revenue is like not counting fat when weighing yourself.  Open up the game, allow stars to score 75 goals a year, get a bigger ice surface, get in Las Vegas and Seattle.  Reduce the season to 60 games and the teams by 8.  Imagine 48 top 6 forwards being supplementally drafted.  4 lines of skill on every team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half the teams in the league could be retracted and no one would care.  The semi finals lost to reruns of nick at nite shows, forget revenue percentages.  Increase fan and viewer enjoyment,  leave the sideshow landscape of jokes for penalties on potentially life altering cheap shots and showcase skill.  I love hockey, but if these are the main points of contention there is a bigger problem.  By the way, the whole ratings are up and so is revenue is legalese smartly included by nhlpa leadership last cba talks.  Nielsen ratings don&#8217;t carry weight anymore and not factoring team debt against revenue is like not counting fat when weighing yourself.  Open up the game, allow stars to score 75 goals a year, get a bigger ice surface, get in Las Vegas and Seattle.  Reduce the season to 60 games and the teams by 8.  Imagine 48 top 6 forwards being supplementally drafted.  4 lines of skill on every team.</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the note, I decided to tweak the headline (and fix the percentage). Same basic point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the note, I decided to tweak the headline (and fix the percentage). Same basic point.</p>
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		<title>By: stakex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stakex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What makes the first point so scary is that the playersclearly want to get a LARGER share of the revenue... not give up 9% more. So its not like the sides are a couple percentage points apart. 

With that said, this is clearly a list of demands the owners know they will never get. They are just trying to set their position as high as possible in an effort to get as much as they can. I&#039;m not concerned.... yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes the first point so scary is that the playersclearly want to get a LARGER share of the revenue&#8230; not give up 9% more. So its not like the sides are a couple percentage points apart. </p>
<p>With that said, this is clearly a list of demands the owners know they will never get. They are just trying to set their position as high as possible in an effort to get as much as they can. I&#8217;m not concerned&#8230;. yet.</p>
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		<title>By: kegmen7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kegmen7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[57% to 46% is an 11% drop- not 9....sh&amp;%! did I just make a lockout more likely?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>57% to 46% is an 11% drop- not 9&#8230;.sh&amp;%! did I just make a lockout more likely?</p>
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