Comments on: Haggerty: Why a David Krejci-Bobby Ryan trade might work

By: dolanster

dolanster — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:28:39 +0000

Understand your feelings (which I share) re: Looch, but I just don’t think he’ll be moved. Too much of a firestorm in the media if that happened and the result wasn’t amazing. Subban — you just don’t move a kid with potential like that after you get him. You don’t move him from the untouchable list until you see what he can do, and with goalies, it takes time. In 3-4-5 years, B’s may need one desperately and it would suck to have given him up if he turns out to be a star.

By: gallyhatch

gallyhatch — Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:55:56 +0000

I don’t disagree with you adding Chara, Seidenberg or Bergeron to that list, but Lucic & Subban?
I’m a Bruins season ticket holder & would drive Lucic to the airport myself if we got a good enough deal for him. He’s a good player, but the early comparisons to Neely were insanely premature. I feel like we’ve been waiting for this guy to turn a corner for a few years now & it still hasn’t happened.
To say Subban is untouchable is also a little premature. It’s not like he was the 1st goalie picked, or went in the top 20. I will want to see more of what he can do before putting him in that category.

By: travishenryskid

travishenryskid — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:05:44 +0000

He averaged 62 points and he’s also 3 years older than Voracek. He also averaged less than 20 goals per season.

By: ocramfan22

ocramfan22 — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:31:30 +0000

Even though the Ducks are our main rival, I would love to see Ryan in the black & white of the cup champs! He is a true power forward in the NHL.

By: jl9830

jl9830 — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:21:55 +0000

Nobody is ever better off paying $30M for Shane Doan.

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:55:07 +0000

Both together is too much, yes. As far as big moves the Bruins might be involved in, those are really the only two players I see being possible pieces of a deal..not necessarily saying it would be part of the same deal. I just see those two being players the Bs MIGHT consider moving…together, separately, whatever..If Seguin can step up in that role, Krejci and a draft pick or prospect should do it but anything more is not worth it. Ryan and Krejci basically have the same offensive output.

By: dolanster

dolanster — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:16:21 +0000

BTW — Bruins untouchables = Chara, Seidenberg, Seguin, Hamilton, Bergeron, Lucic, Rask, Subban. They’d be stupid to move any of those guys so other GMs should stop asking. Everyone else, let’s talk.

By: dolanster

dolanster — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:14:17 +0000

Krejci + Marchand is way too much for Ryan, but I could see Krejci + Marchand + pick(s) for Nash happening. Howson is not going to see an offer from anyone else that includes two better top 6 currently active forwards.

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:48:11 +0000

Agreed..I just don’t think many people know much about Krejci. “Under-estimated” is thrown around a lot nowadays but I think he falls into that category. When he is on, he is a top-level talent. He is streaky..I will say that. Not sure I would want him to leave unless I knew Seguin could compete the way Krejci does and become the playmaker we all want him to be. No way of knowing that though.

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:42:58 +0000

Lucic won’t be traded. The price may need to come down a bit for Ryan, which might happen since he has stated he wants out… Any deal the Bruins do though won’t include Lucic. I really only see Krejci, and maybe Marchand, being the only possible pieces in a Bruins trade…unlikely, but possible. Marchand is in a contract year though…

By: gulbickus

gulbickus — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:42:35 +0000

Voracek is worth more than Krejci? Are you on crack?!?! Krejci has averaged 66 points per year over the last four years..Voracek has broken 50 only once in the same time span.

By: dolanster

dolanster — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:37:27 +0000

All due respect, but you’re high if you think Voracek is worth more than Krejci. He’s a good kid and a budding talent but he’s never had more than 18 g or 50 pts. Krejci is a +20 goal guy, who’s had +70 pts, was the playoff point leader and has the ring. His experience is worth something as well, meaning he knows how to win and how to be in the room (unlike Ryan). If I’m the Ducks I find Krejci much more attractive than Voracek. A Lucic, Marchand, McQuaid deal is Nash-sized, not Ryan.

By: mclovinhockey

mclovinhockey — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:35:58 +0000

According to multiple sources, Flyers offered voracek, mez and a pick…. Ducks said no.
Since that package is far greater than the package talked about here, this does not seem plausible.
I mean voracek alone is worth more than this package, that guy has shown major talent waiting to get a shot on a first line.

Sorry but I think the B’s package would need to be something more like Lucic, Marchand, Mcquaid…

By: matthews4

matthews4 — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:51:12 +0000

The problem I have as B’s fan is that Krejci is the only one who is a true play maker on the team. Bergy is the best 2 way forward in hockey, but isn’t as creative or nifty with the puck. With a PP that is already dreadful, taking the best play maker off the team is not wise. Do we really want to break up Segs,Bergy & Marchy? Kelly and Peverely are not player makers and will NEVER be second line centers. PC probably will regret keeping both.

By: gallyhatch

gallyhatch — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:20:00 +0000

As far as I’m concerned, Rask, Seguin & Doug Hamilton should be the only untouchables in the Bruins’ system. Everyone else should be fair game.
I’m fine with them moving Krejci. Yes, he was the points leader in the playoffs in 2011, but where the hell was that guy for the entire 2012 season?
And FWIW the Krejci/Horton/Lucic line is quite possibly a thing of the past thanks to Horton’s concussion issues, which is all the more reason why they should make this trade.

By: travishenryskid

travishenryskid — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:06:37 +0000

Not enough going to the Ducks.

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:55:49 +0000

The more I think about it, my interest in this sort of deal is because I think the Bs need another top 6 guy to make a real run..that’s another guy added to the current group, including Krejci. Krejci is too good in the playoffs and is somewhat of a ‘secret’ because he comes out of nowhere sometimes. If Ryan were a UFA, I would be all over signing him, or thinking about ways they could sign him. I’ve always liked the idea of:
Lucic – Krejci -Horton
UFA – Bergeron – Seguin
Marchand – Kelly – Peverley
Not sure that level of UFA is out there anymore, unless the Bs are the ones offering Doan 30 mill..I would love Doan on this team. I can’t completely get behind giving Krejci up though in a trade for anyone, even Ryan. He just clicks with this team and that is more important than the big name player when it comes down to it. It’s why they won the cup and why he finished first in playoff pts that year.

By: dolanster

dolanster — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:10:49 +0000

Ryan is for real. As a Bruins’ fan in SoCal I’d love to see this deal happen. I’m not a Krejci-hater, but he’s an elegant playmaker who’s style isn’t a natural fit for Boston. He’s Bergeron light, and I’d much rather stack up a guy with speed, power, and hands. That’s Ryan. He’d thrive in Boston and I believe Krejci would do well in Anaheim. Makes sense for both sides. Do it.

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:53:20 +0000

That being said, I think it is dangerous to deal for ‘names’. Ryan is a big name right now. On paper, it looks great pairing Ryan with Seguin. That would eliminate the already proven trio of Lucic, Krejci , Horton though. Seguin is somewhat unproven as a center and who knows how Ryan will perform in Boston and in this system. It is choosing between what you know and what you don’t, I guess. Both could be great options or they could be bad. Maybe Ryan flourishes, maybe he doesnt. Maybe the current trio has become complacent or maybe they are just getting started. The better bet is going with what you know, I would argue…

By: capesouth

capesouth — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:38:24 +0000

Bruins have Bergeron, Seguin, Kelly and Campbell as centers..I think even Peverley has always been a center but the Bs put him on the wing most times, which comes in handy since the refs like to kick players out of the circle so often. That being said, I want Seguin to move to his natural position but he would really need to step up in that role if Krejci leaves. Krejci is a competitor and it shows comes playoff time. Seguin hasn’t shown that yet. I dont think it’s as easy as simply putting Seguin in his spot. Would love to see Ryan here though. Between Ryan, Lucic, and Horton, they would have some real power up front, the latter of who are playing for contracts.

By: atteckus

atteckus — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:37:19 +0000

Coming from the Bruins side of it, I actually think its a wonderful deal for both sides, but that the B’s might have to give up a little more than Krejci and a first round pick.

The Ducks could use less of a scorer who is a consummate facilitator. That is Krejci. He makes everyone around him better. He’s a 20+ goal scorer with 40+ assist capability. That is precisely what the Ducks need in my opinion. He also has a history of being a superlative playoff player, rising to the occasion when it counts the most.

From the B’s perspective, we lack the finisher and the net front presence that Ryan can provide. He would devastate the Northeast when matched with Seguin and another winger.

As to the compensation, I think the Ducks can probably get Krejci, Knight (solid prospect) and a 2nd or 3rd round pick out of the deal. If they prefer Krejci plus the late first round pick instead, that’s more than fine.

I think the B’s should move on this and do the deal, even if it results in a slight overpay. Lacking Recchi, having a tenuous Horton on the roster and sans the goaltending of Thomas, they really MUST bring in a transcendant finisher to offset the losses of the last season.

By: joshuakorr

joshuakorr — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:27:31 +0000

I doubt Peter Chiarelli makes this trade. No Krejci = no cup. He was the B’s leading points scorer during the 2011 playoffs and when he’s not on his game the team is not nearly as good. Boston can’t give up its first line center. You need strength down the middle to win. They’d be better off paying $30M for Doan w.out giving up Krejci, but the current cap situation makes the unlikely.

By: taytay099

taytay099 — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:15:45 +0000

They already have a lot of depth at center with Chris Kelly, Patrice Bergeron and Tyler Seguin. The Bruins also have a lot of young players in their system thanks to the Maple Leafs so they can afford to give up a draft pick and a center for a talented power forward.

By: DTF31

DTF31 — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:01:12 +0000

I think thats a trade both sides win Seguin already playing extremely well