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The Flyers offered Zach Parise $110 million

Jul 8, 2012, 1:31 PM EDT

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The Minnesota Wild signing Zach Parise and Ryan Suter to identical deals was stunning enough, but the money Parise left on the table to join his friend in St. Paul is something unto itself.

Michael Russo of The Star-Tribune broke down the 72 hours that went into the Wild signing the two players, and while he says Parise took less money from the Wild to sign there, the money he turned down from the Flyers was staggering.

The numbers turned out to be 13 years and $98 million. The contracts included identical signing bonus structures ($25 million the first three years) and no-trade clauses. Both players could have made more elsewhere. Parise reportedly had been offered $110 million by Philadelphia. Suter was offered more than $100 million by a team Sheehy wouldn’t identify.

You can’t say Flyers GM Paul Holmgren didn’t go for it. He went for it in a big way to try and steal a superstar from a rival, much the same way the Red Wings did with Suter. Both big teams tried and failed to score big. We don’t know how long the contract offer for Parise was, but you have to assume it was for around 15 years to keep the cap hit manageable.

Maybe it really was all about playing at home.

106 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. t16rich - Jul 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    No Pennsylvania trolls yet?

    • drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM

      They’re definitely here now.

  2. vindicatus - Jul 8, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    “Late Monday afternoon, 36 hours in, Parise said to Arnott: ‘You know what? I think now’s the juncture I’d like to really check in with [Suter] and see what he’s thinking.’”

    No, it wasn’t all about wanting to go home. It was all about wanting to play with his BFF, who made it clear from the start that he wasn’t interested in playing for any Eastern teams.

    ZP + RS = best friends 4EVA!!1!!1

  3. buffalo65 - Jul 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Hope he can eke out a living on 93 million and doesn’t regret leaving the money on the table.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      Don’t sell yourself short, it was 98 million.

  4. uscthom78 - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Must be really proud of yourself after they signed with your hometownteam Mr. Russo. “Leaking” rumored offers from other teams. Your article seems to be a cut n paste job from Eklund.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      Actually if you go back to Russo’s blog a few days ago he had that. So actually it was Eklund that took that tip from Russo. So yeah…

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

      Eklund?
      Ohhhh the guy that tweeted 5 mins before they both signed in Minny that Chicago has signed Suter and Parise to some other team not named the Wild.

      They guy that got torn apart by a TSN (real) insider the day before that on twitter.

      Why do people still mention the guy who has been proven a fraud 1000′s time over already?

  5. guinsrule - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Wasn’t there a report from a Philly writer who claimed the Flyers weren’t really interested in signing Parise and were just trying to drive up the price? Sounds like they were pretty interested to me…Good work, Cark Kent.

    • bdawk20 - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

      Your comment doesn’t make sense. Because they offered such a high price, you’re saying that the reasoning behind it was not to drive up the price but rather high interest in signing Parise?

      The main goal of that offer was to drive up the price for Pittsburgh- The Flyers knew he would not come to Philly after playing in NJ. If Parise happened to accept, then the worst thing that would have happened was that they overpaid to keep him away from the Penguins.

      I am glad how this all worked out and that the Flyers and Penguins both did not get him. He’s good, but not $110 MM good, but I also do not want him in my conference.

  6. drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    This is what counts as news, now? A repost of some other writer’s “reportedly”?

  7. greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Ouch, Parise took less to sign with Minnesota over Philadephia? That’s gotta be a slap in the face.

    Although to be fair, the Wild did offer Parise more than the 98 million, but it was his idea to take less and have the same exact contract as Suter.

    I kind of agree, it’s worth 12 million not to go to Filthadelphia.

    • crosberries - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

      We all know parise doesn’t like the lime light so what better way to escape from it then go to a city where no one else in the NHL cares about

      • getadealdonealready - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM

        Why don’t you ask Joe Mauer if he is out of the lime light, the guy is on his way to winning his 4th batting title, and is consistently scrutinized by fans because a variety of issues from clutch hitting, to hitting into to many DP balls, or having a contract that doesn’t allow the team to be competitive.

        This community cares about hockey 100 times more than they do baseball, everything is rosy now, but it’s time for a winner here, and the pressure will be on the wild to produce on the ice. Just because we are rude and ignorant like most flyer fans, doesn’t mean we don’t have high expectations.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM

        Yeah Parise doesn’t like the lime light, yet he was the assistant captain during the Olympics. Because nobody in the world watches those.

      • wicky888 - Jul 12, 2012 at 9:11 PM

        This is probably the only time I will give one of your comments a thumbs up. Well done Penguins fan

    • dirkanger23 - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

      Not having Parise sign in Philly is one of the best things that could have happened to Philly. His contract would have crushed any legitimate hope they have of signing any quality free agents for the next couple of years in areas where they need actual help, like defensenmen for example. Parise would have been a nice acquisition but it would have been in an area where they don’t really need help, which is scoring. For a prospect & a couple of draft picks they can get Bobby Ryan for way less money & still be in a really good position for the slew of quality FAs hitting the market next year.
      Oh and not to burst your bubble or anything but the Flyers have some of the best young talent in the NHL right now, along with a legit superstar in the making in Giroux. They will be a contender for years. Period. Minnesota overpaid for 2 good FAs in a weak market, adding them to a very mediocre mix of a team. They, on the other hand, won’t be legit contenders for years. Take off your fanboy sunglasses for a second & look at reality.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

        well actually Minnesota has 15 million to spend next summer and over 10 million the summer after that. So if Parise and Suter each only got 7.5 million, sounds like they have room for 3 more. If your come back is then they’d only have 4 players and scrubs, all there prospects except Granlund are playing in the AHL this because they don’t need them yet. The group of prospects that are ranked #2 in the NHL and part of the reason why they chose Minnesota in the first place…

      • getadealdonealready - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM

        7.5 per year is not a crippling contract, for a player of Parise’s caliber. The hard part for philly fans is you have a crappy goalie on the books at 5.6 per year until he is 40, that will make it tough for you to get any free agents into town.

      • uscthom78 - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:15 PM

        You ain’t going to get Ryan for a prospect and a couple of draft picks. If you could, he would already be a Flyer.

    • mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

      made sense till your comment about it being work 12 mill not to go to “Filthadelphia” pretty classless remark… oh well, philly is still a much better team than the wild.

  8. dirkanger23 - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    I really don’t wanna knock a guy for wanting to go back home & play with his BFF, but leaving $12 million on the table from a team that would be a legit/strong Cup contender in 2013 with his addition is a bit much, if he’s truly viewing himself as a captain-type superstar whose drive & focus is to win a Cup.

    I think that the scrutiny he would have endured in Philly, where the Flyer fanbase is rabid regardless of the team’s record, is one of the main reasons he turned them down. Minnesota is still a few years away from being a legit contender but the goodwill he’s engendered from his signing there, along with the hometown thing, will pretty much give him carte blanche from the fanbase. Now whether you ultimately view him as being thin-skinned or not because of this is up to you, but I definitely see him that way. Winners either build up a team around them, or they fill in a final piece somewhere en route to winning a Cup; they don’t go to mediocre team where there is no scrutiny whatsoever just so they can live on Easy Street for a while.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:28 PM

      In the grand scheme of things, 12 million when you signed for 98 is really kind of pocket change to you and I. A Cup contender next, yes. How about 4, 5, or 6 years down the road. Minnesota will be, Philly may not have the prospect pool. Maybe what burned Philly was signing players to big 12 year contracts and then trading them shorty after signing them. Maybe Philly wasn’t going to guarantee a NTC were Minnesota did.

      Minnesota is a bigger hockey market than Philadelphia. I promise you that

      • sizzle299 - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        “Minnesota is a bigger hockey market than Philadelphia. I promise you that”

        At least there’s good weed in Minnesota……

      • bdawk20 - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        This guy must be using Gordon Bombay logic

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM

        Penn State sure has the program legacy that any 5 of the Minnesota D-1 schools have.

        Pennsylvania sure puts the most players in the league, oh wait Minnesota does.

        Your best player in the state played here, Sidey Crosby, you may have heard of him

        Our pee-wee teams here will beat any high school team Pennsylvania.

      • handsofsweed - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        Groan. You had some decent points until the pee wees beating Penna HS teams. That’s just stupid, and you know it. Unless you let 17 year olds play pee wee hockey, rocking the Dominican Republic Little League philosophy.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

        Last one was a little sarcastic, it got old showing you examples of how Minnesota is a better hockey market than Philadelphia is.

      • eyeh8goodell - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

        Sorry Philthy fans, but the USA Hockey registration numbers tell the story, Minnesota absolutely kills PA. Everybody knows Minnesota is one of the biggest hockey hotbeds in North America……..and I’m from PA and have no problem saying that. The number of players in PA isn’t even close to Minny.

        And no marquee free agents are going to sign any kind of long term deal with Philly after the way they did Richards, Carter, and now Van Reimsdyk. A commitment means nothing to the Flyers. Richards and Carter are pointing and laughing at the blowhard Lavs and his “dry island”.

  9. dkphilly1122 - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Why because Philadelphia is a real sports city unlike Minnesota?? We never wanted Parise here anyhow. We got one of the best players, an ELITE player in Giroux. What do you got?? Above average overpaid players?? Parise’s good, he’s not elite. I’d rather Bobby Ryan for half the money and the same talent. Minnesota hasn’t been a respectable city ever.

    • drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

      Not even a Flyers fan and this reeks of butthurt.

    • spiciercheez - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:14 PM

      Well…Minnesota has never been a city, so I guess you are right.

    • odj810 - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

      suter and parise are better then above average. G is yes amazing. bobby ryan is not half the money and is a UFA coming up and I don’t think theres anything wrong with minnesota as a city. Philly needs D. Shouldn’t they have been using those resources elsewhere. That is the question. On the bright side these 2 really good (yes there not top 10) players are on a team with alota young talent. At least its in the western conference.

    • getadealdonealready - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM

      @dkphilly it looks like you know hockey as well as you know geography!

    • natrixhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 11:20 PM

      @dkphilly. You’re right, Minnesota isn’t a good sports city, it’s a good state with sports. Such a genius. You didn’t want Parise, sure – that’s why you offered $110M. Most of the country would ask, What do you have (not got). Well, I can tell you that there are a lot of sports cities that have more than Philly. One thing most cities have is respectable fans that appreciate their teams….not Philly fans. Good luck locking Bobby Ryan into a 13 year contract for $48M (that’s 96M divided by 2 (half), which I’m sure you wouldn’t have figured out on your own. Again, I can agree with you on one thing, Minnesota will never be a respectable city (ever), because there is no city of Minnesota. Have another buddy. Enjoy the season!

    • 28giroux28 - Jul 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

      You are the reason Philly fans get no respect. Please, step away from the keyboard.

  10. mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    It’s no ones dream to play in a city they don’t love. When your a kid you always dream of playing at home and winning the cup. Not to play for a city who you have no ties with. Plus that would make it so parise would face the devils 6 times a year.

    I’m from Philly, I’d take 1 mill a year over 3 mill a year from Boston. Just saying.

  11. GenoPringles - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    So these two love birds left paper on the table so they could return to brokeback mountain. If I wanted to keep my affairs private I would sign in a small market like Minny too.

    • lionsflyersandredbirds - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

      lol’d.

    • mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

      wow, a gay comment… last time I heard one of those I was at the Bronco Burger with Fred Flinstone

    • edenprairieballer - Jul 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

      “small market” LOL get real…

  12. mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Oh and suter was born less than a 5 hour drive from there…

    So both players took less money
    To play for a team with less chance at a cup
    Just to be closer to home
    And to wear those awesome 3rd jerseys the wild have…. Think they are my favorite in the sport right now.

    • drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

      Shouldn’t we either be praising Luongo for this goal, or yelling at the new Wild for it?

  13. Brian - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Parise probably realized that if he’d signed a long term deal in Philly he’d just have to go through everything with a new team after they trade him in three years anyway, so they can make room to sign the next shiny pebble on the free agent market.

  14. broadstbully33 - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    i forgot minnasota had a hockey team. they are still irrelevant.

    • crosberries - Jul 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

      You also forgot how to spell Minnesota but your from Philthy makes sense

      • isithockeyseasonyet - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        Really respect Parise’s decision to turn down cash to play for home town team, have to give him credit for doing something like that in the world we currently live in. But as for you, crosberries, some of the most brilliant writers in history couldn’t spell or correctly punctuate a sentence for the life of them. Are they stupid too? My guess is you’re a kid and like making ignorant statements because you know you’ll never have to face them in person. However, if you’re over the age of 18…yikes, you’re an idiot

      • bru308 - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM

        To play devil’s advocate here, most 3rd graders know how to spell Minnesota. I guarantee there’s more 3rd graders out there that can spell Minnesota, than there are “smart people” that can. Quit being a d-bag.

      • lionsflyersandredbirds - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

        You’re*

        I love people who correct spelling but completely ignore basic grammar…

    • drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      Do the batteries you throw have your name on them?

  15. redwingsfan999 - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    You can’t beat family

  16. respectsoupcansthickstick - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    you could offer me 500 billion dollars for 2 days and i still wouldnt be caught dead in a 100 mile radius of that disgusting high crime rate wanna be pittsburgh city. stay thick

    • drewsylvania - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

      When Philly throw batteries when you come to Philly, do you throw them back?

      • bdawk20 - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Calling Philadelphia a wanna be Pittsburgh city is hilarious. No one moves to Pittsburgh from outside of the crap Western PA suburbs.

  17. GenoPringles - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    My dad beats family all the time

  18. emperorzero - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Just some random thoughts:

    Parise seems to be leaving New Jersey on pretty good terms. I don’t see why he would have signed with Philadelphia – that would have been a sort of slap in the face to the Devils.

    My guess is that Suter left Nashville because he thought Weber would leave next year. That’s just a guess though.

    Looking out West, why can’t the Wild be contenders? They played very well the first two months of the season. Detroit, Nashville, and San Jose seem to be headed in the wrong direction. The Blackhawks are treading water, and the 8th seed in the West won the Stanley Cup. So why not Minnesota?

    I don’t understand the talk of Philadelphia as a Cup contender. The goaltending is still a mess, the blue line is a mess and the Flyers were bounced in the second round of the playoffs. They have a nice core of young players like Giroux, but there are too many holes on the team to ink them in for a trip to the Finals.

  19. migoli - Jul 8, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    All you east coast guys kill me, all you seem to do is prove those negative sterotypes to be correct.

    • eyeh8goodell - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM

      Lol at Philly fans and thier mistaken idea that attendance numbers make a Hockey market”. They do not. Hockey markets are defined by the numbers of players per capita. And the USA Hockey registration numbers are the real indicator. There are FAR more players (I.e. hockey families) in Minnesota than in PA. You can check thier site yourself. It’s not even close. And one must be registered to play competitive hockey at any level…….from pee wee to beer league. Now, Philthy certainly leads Minny in the number of ignorant, belligerent, load mouth clowns who attend the games and likely couldn’t tell us the difference between an icing call and an offsides call. And it’s also pretty funny since Philly hasn’t tasted hardware since the Gerald Ford administration.

      • igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM

        you make no sense. because more hockey players and their families live there it makes it more of a hockey market? then why don’t they go to the games? we are talking about supporting the team in your market, who gives a crap about the hockey families? when someone says, “Boston is a baseball town” or “L.A. is a basketball town” it means the level of support and interest shown by the fanbase. How many hockey families are from the South, yet there are still teams there. If we use your logic, then almost every team would be in Canada.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM

        The Wild are a small market. Teams don’t leave big market cities. The stars left. I would not be surprised if 10 years from now, the Wild are endanger ofbeing moved.

      • eyeh8goodell - Jul 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM

        @igotsanduskied

        - The Wild enjoy a 98.4% home attendance average. And that’s in a MUCH smaller market than Philly. They do go to the games.

        - It simply stands to reason that the regions with the most families/people actually supporting the SPORT of hockey (not just the NHL) are the real hockey hotbeds. Hate to break it to ya, but there is far more to the sport of hockey than just the NHL…..or even hockey in just North America. The people of Philly aren’t doing anything to grow or support the game itself. Simply buying tickets to the local NHL affiliate doesn’t cut it. The people who actually play are the ones who love it the most. And Minny kills the state of PA in that department.

        - If you want to talk NHL attendance numbers though we can have a look at where Philly stands as a road draw,……..#21 in the league (their cross state rival clocks in at #3 behind NYR and Boston). So congrats that you guys love your Flyers, because nobody else does.

      • 204flyers - Jul 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM

        @ eyeh8goodell – I agree with you saying Minnesota supports hockey more than the state of PA, but what you may not realize is that Philly is trying to become more than just an nhl city. Many rinks have been either opened or saved by Ed Snider to try to get more kids to play hockey in the city. But to say we do not support other teams than the Flyers is dead wrong. When the Phantoms played in Philly, they had the most fans for AHL games than any other team. We absolutely loved that team and hate it that they are not in Philly anymore. But we cannot help it if the rest of the state does not care as much about hockey as Philly does.

        I congratulate you on getting both Parise and Suter. I’m sure they will help your team out in a huge way. Would love to have had Parise. He would have looked great playing with Giroux. Still love the way my team looks, and think we’ll go far in the playoffs as long as our defense plays well and Bryz plays as well as we know he can.

      • igotsanduskied - Jul 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

        I like how you use stats that will support your argument but leave out the major ones that don’ t. You guys like hockey and support your team, but either you and I are arguing two different points, or you’re just not getting it. Minnesota may have more kids playing hockey, but that doesn’t support the fact that the Flyers have always had better attendance and are in a bigger market. Even when there was the lockout and most teams were crying poor, the Flyers were one of a handful of teams still MAKING money. Also, I don’t think the Wild will be in any Winter Classics anytime soon, so I don’t think the NHL sees your state as a building block for selling the game to new fans. I think because of Minnesota’s location, it would make sense for hockey to be a homegrown kind of sport. But when I say bigger hockey market, I mean size of the market as well as all the other things I’ve mentioned. In the NHL’s eyes, when they look at revenue sharing, they see the Flyers as one of their top moneymakers.

  20. igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Hey, greatminny, “Minnesota is a bigger hockey market than Philadelphia. I promise you that” You’re math is backwards, Philly is the 4th largest hockey market in the NHL, Minny is 15th. Or are you referring to the fact that for years Philly has been at or near the top in attendance? Philly was 3rd in attendance last year, Minny 16th. Or maybe it’s the fact that you lost your team to Dallas years ago that makes you promise that Minnesota is a bigger hockey market than Philadelphia. All I’m saying is, you don’t have to like Philly, but you cannot deny they are a major market that absolutely supports the team, and in more ways than Minnesota ever has.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM

      Yeah I said hockey market, not population or media market. As for the Stars leaving, might want to do your homework. Google Norm Green, he left because the state didn’t fund a new arena 100% and then he got busted by his wife having his Johnson out when the sexual harassment papers came. He was forced to move the team, and Bettman couldn’t do a thing about it since he was Commissioner for 3 months when they left. Minnesota’s hockey market is so bad we lose a team April of 93 and we have a franchise given right back in June of 97.

      • igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

        Really doesn’t matter about Norm Green, does it? You’re still wrong about being a bigger hockey market. The numbers don’t support your argument. If Minny was a bigger market, then why don’t tv ratings or attendance records reflect that? I only brought up population because you said bigger hockey market. I just don’t see how you can prove that in any way. I don’t think Minnesota is a bad hockey market, I just see no evidence that it is bigger or more supportive of their team than Philadelphia is.

      • mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

        the 4 top fan bases in the league over the past 10 years.
        1. Toronto
        2. Montreal
        3. Philadelphia
        4. Detroit

        this is fact, not an opinion, just look at attendance during good years and bad years.
        since philly has more fans it has a bigger hockey market… I know Minnesota loves hockey, not saying they dont, the fans just have not supported the team in their hard times. It could have been a lot worse, hopefully these two pickups will put the fans back in the seats, even if they underperform

      • igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

        Agreed Mclovin.

    • in1chuck1we1trust - Jul 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

      Hockey market: Youth, HS, College, & Professional. I’m pretty sure if you look at all of these across the board, Minnesota should be considered a bigger hockey market than Philadelphia.

  21. ray2013 - Jul 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    I find the whole situation amusing, tbh. A lot of commentators hammered Lebron James for signing with the Heat, because he figured it gave him the best chance to win multiple rings and eschewing his home state. (not one, not two, not three…) “He should have stayed in Cleveland and tried to bring a championship home!” was something I read a lot.

    And in the case of ZP and Suter, they decide to go back to their home state and try to bring a Cup to MN over the next 10 years, and they’re jeered? They apparently leave millions on the table, and now they are losers? I’m not from MN, but I say good for them.

  22. ironcity6pak - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Suter dictated the the deal. He said parise if you don’t come a play with me I’ll be sad: ( I won’t be your friend.

  23. respectsoupcansthickstick - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    ok.. lets all just agree that philthadelphia is DEFINATLEY not a hockey town and minnesota is just irrelevant to the hockey world. PITTSBURGH IS WHERE YOU BECOME A CHAMPION.

    • igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM

      See above post, your town is worse than Minnesota. Your team was so bad for so long it was only a matter of time before you hit big on franchise players like Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc. But you were probably too busy ignoring them A.M. (After Mario) to notice. Again, say whatever you want about Philly, but the numbers show they are indeed a hockey town, even a better one than Pissburgh.

    • biasedhomer - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

      Funny thing is hockey is the 4th sport among most Philly fans, yet they are a top 5 NHL market.

    • mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 8:28 PM

      difference between Philly and Pitt fans…. Philly has always supported their team even when they were last in the league in points, they were still among the best attendance in the NHL.

      When pitt is among the worst in the league in points they are also among the worst in the league in attendance.

    • 28giroux28 - Jul 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

      Wait, the Blackhawks, Bruins, and Kings all moved to Pittsburgh? And Minnesota isn’t the State of Hockey anymore?

  24. billobrienschindimple - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    ” Calling Philadelphia a wanna be Pittsburgh city is hilarious. No one moves to Pittsburgh from outside of the crap Western PA suburbs.”

    I should know better than try to present facts to a Philly person, but here goes.

    Pittsburgh has recently been rated one of the most livable cities in the US. Philadelphia is one of the dirtiest. That whole bit in USA Today about all the mercury in the ground isn’t going to do anything to draw folks there either.

    The energy boom that is happening is drawing people from all over the country to Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is not getting any benefit of this natural gas boom.
    Pittsburgh is in place to be the city that carries the state far in to the future.

    Philadelphia has 0 Super Bowls and no Stanley Cup since 1975. Since that time Pittsburgh teams have a combined 9 titles. Sure the Phillies won some World Series, but they are also the first American pro sports team to reach 10,000 losses. Sure the Pirates hold an MLB record for consecutive losing seasons, even so they won the pennant in the late 70′s and made a few damn good runs in the late 80′s and early 90′s.

    Pittsburgh also has fans that are passionate and knowledgeable. Philly has fans that are passionate and violent.

    At the end of the day there is no denying that Philly is a great city, personally I have enjoyed every trip I’ve made there. But in present day PA Pittsburgh is the superior city, maybe not in size but certainly in quality.

    • igotsanduskied - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM

      According to this article in one of Pittsburgh’s papers, they are coming from all over the country to go to Pitt’s jails:

      http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/census-data-show-unusual-rise-in-pittsburgh-population-642880/

      Also, that energy boom won’t make any jobs in Philly, but it sure will pollute all of our wells and water supplies. I don’t think destroying our environment via fracking is anything to brag about.

    • mclovinhockey - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

      this is a hockey convo, not a football, baseball and hockey convo. Anyway I will just let you know a few things.

      Yup the phillies have 10,000 losses… first american pro team to do that… in a sport that has the most games a year and on the oldest team in the North America to have not changed their name…. so yeah, playing 162 games a year for over 100 years and they get 10,000 losses

      Hmmm, what a great stat.

      Oh and how many cups did the pens win before the 90′s???? 0… see we can bring up meaningless info as well

      Anyway if you want to compare our teams playing each other head to head, be my guest… you do know that Philly Vs Pitt in all sports in just head to head is the biggest one sided contest in sports… the phillies, flyers and eagles all won the majority of head to head matches between the two cities.

      To call pitt fans knowledgeable and philly fans violent is the pot calling the kettle black. just saying. I think it was last year or two years ago when pens fans beat up a pregnant women.

      http://thepensblog.com/tpb/jan2012/fan-at-consol-becoming-unglued.html

    • bdawk20 - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:32 PM

      So Steeler fans are not passionate and violent? Rigghhht.

      Anyways, only people from Pittsburgh would call their city superior to any city not in Ohio. Philadelphia is the metro median between NYC and DC. I know infinitely more Pittsburgh transplants living in Philly vs the other way around. There are more jobs in Philly, higher paying jobs in Philly, and access to the largest market in the US and the political capital of the US. Pittsburgh recent upward movement of energy is great and all, but you just discounted every other industry that resides in Philly that still blows anything Pittsburgh has out of the water (media/Comcast, Pharma/Healthcare, Insurance, Etc). Not to mention Philadelphia’s historical background. Philly is far from perfect, but Pittsburgh still doesn’t hold a candle to it.

    • biasedhomer - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

      Pitt is not a city worth going to. They lack tourist attractions.

      • bobhpine - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:19 PM

        Oh man… If only Pittsburgh had the liberty bell, and that statue from that Sylvester stallone movie…tourist attractions totally make Philly awesome…and those beautiful playoff appearance banners from the past four decades…all amazing

      • biasedhomer - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

        Its not only the City. If you go to Philly, you are an hour away from the beach, NY is pretty close, DC is not far. There is plenty to do in the area. What the closest thing to Pitt?

    • katolungile - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:03 AM

      Nobody graduates from college and says ” I want to move to Pittsburgh…” Sorry… Philly is a dump but Pittsburgh is no designation town itself.

  25. letangusespertplus - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    i heard these two dummies wanted to play with the pittsburgh all stars but they held an open work out and their thighs weren’t juicy enough. shero sent them packing and told them to sign in the west so they didn’t have to face all the enormous hogs that currently make up THE FRANCHISE.

    there will be a documentary about this, so you know its true.

  26. respectsoupcansthickstick - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    AMen bill o brien. pittsburgh is the city of champions.

  27. firemarshal1 - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Who wants to play in a dirty and unsafe city like Philadelphia? I wouldn’t.

    • biasedhomer - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM

      Last I checked, every major city in the country has higher crime rates than small market areas.

  28. respectsoupcansthickstick - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    hahaha bdawk you almost made me think you were serious. that was a good one!! the only jobs that philthy has more of is policemen cus the crime rate is through the roof there. i guess if you want to end your life that would probably be the best place to move to.

  29. GenoPringles - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Filthy also has more abortion clinics

  30. buffalomafia - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Philly should worry about getting a goalie that doesn’t suck!

    Go get Luongo!

  31. bensawesomeness - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    If the only player in this particular game was Minnesota, why should any other team feel like they lost? Sounds like they would have played for the Wild even if they were offered solid gold SUVs, why do fans constantly dwell on how they should have gotten this or that player?

  32. phillyfan97 - Jul 8, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    This article was about Zach Parise rejecting a 110 million dollar offer from the Philadelphia Flyers to play for the Minnesota Wild. I read some the comments, and was utterly appalled. The article was typed to inform on Parise’s decision to play in St. Paul, yet a select few decided that it was an invitation to start a pointless argument, pathetic.

  33. skippyx - Jul 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    So Pittsburgh has a great goalie at 5 million per year?
    He was awesome in that first round series last year.
    I can’t believe Parise and Suter did not want to play in front of him.
    Last 3 pathetic playoff runs:
    .891 2.78
    .899 2.52
    .834 4.63
    Philly won 5 series in the same period.
    At least they paid 2 million (7 total now) for playoff hero Vokoun!

    Bryz was also great in the past and won a cup, but at least he is getting over an issue (adjusting to Philly) rather than nosediving his career.

    • 28giroux28 - Jul 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

      Bryz won a Cup as a backup to Giugere. I’m all for a nice argument with Pens fans, but let’s use facets that mean something.

      • skippyx - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:13 AM

        Bryz played in 5 games for that cup and started 4 (won 3) with a 2.25 and a .922. He was 1.46 and .944 with 3 shutouts the year before that.

        Fleury was also great the year before his cup (1.97 .933) but he was mediocre the cup year 2.61 .908 no shutouts. He has been bad since and was far worse than Bryz head to head this year.

        The point remains that no sane player would discount Philly over Bryz and run to Pittsburgh for the wilting flower.

  34. respectsoupcansthickstick - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    hey, show some respect to the franchise and soup can army. we know how hard it is to maintan greatness every year and how jealous philthy flyers get. STAY THICK BOYS

  35. bobhpine - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Bryzgalov won his cup watching on the bench…Fleury was sort of on the ice when he won his.

    Notwithstanding all of that I think Bryzgalov has shown immense leadership and stability in Philly and I think his adjustment has gone perfectly. Nothing to see here. Should be ready for a steady climb to greatness, he has the mental fortitude.

  36. predsfan098 - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    If Parise gave up all that money, he must really must want to be with Suter. Should Suter’s wife worry??

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

      sounds like bitter grapes.

  37. pxeeks - Jul 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Save the loot and sign Giroux, top 5 player in hockey, wearing orange and black until retirement and adding Stanley’s along the way!!

    • 28giroux28 - Jul 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

      I’m tired of Flyers fans selling Giroux as “the best in the world”. In a few years, yes. Right now? Well, I think Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos (you know, the three Hart finalists), Datsyuk, Toews, Ovechkin, would beg to differ.

  38. edenprairieballer - Jul 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Pretty obvious Parise didn’t want to play in Philly in the first place. If I were Parise I would want to live in my mansion on Lake Minnetonka any day over Philly.

  39. katolungile - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Any big name out there there flyers throw around the cash.. Was offense really their problem???

  40. blomfeld - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:52 AM

    And to think that Gretzky signed for 2 million per year with the Kings back in ’88 … what a complete joke eh ? :)

  41. datsyukx13 - Jul 9, 2012 at 7:55 AM

    Actually they did not leave money on the table they got huge signing bonuses

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