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Weber not going to arbitration, “still in disbelief” over Suter departure

Jul 5, 2012, 2:24 PM EDT

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Shea Weber and the Nashville Predators will not be headed to arbitration to decide the defenseman’s 2012-13 salary, reports CBC’s Elliotte Friedman.

Weber elected not to file, and the Preds don’t have the option, leaving the following scenarios:

— The two sides negotiate a contract.

— Weber signs an offer sheet that Nashville can either match or decline. If the Preds decline, they get compensation in the form of draft picks, as laid out here. If they match a one-year deal, they can’t trade him.

— Weber is traded.

ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun spoke to Weber’s agent to see which way the 26-year-old was leaning after teammate and defensive partner Ryan Suter left for Minnesota.

“He’s still in disbelief,” said Kevin Epp. “They were so close this year in terms of the team’s chances. They really had a shot. Shea believed there was a good chance that Ryan would stay there. So, right now, Shea is still processing this news.”

Epp says “there’s no deadline” to the process, though Preds GM David Poile may not agree there. If Weber isn’t willing to commit long-term, Poile may be forced to trade his captain. And if that’s what he has to do, he’ll probably want to get going as soon as possible. No sense dragging it out. Onward and upward. Or downward. Whatever.

  1. muckthefets23 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Please hockey gods what do you require to grant my wish and send Weber to Philly?!

    • eyeh8goodell - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM

      No marquee player will ever go to Philly after the way they did Richards, Carter, and now Van Reimsdyk. They know a commitment means nothing to the Flyers.

      • trigzter - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM

        negotiate a NTC or NMC. problem solved

      • Jay - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:54 PM

        @eyeh8goodell Ridiculous and ignorant comment. So a team is supposed to keep these two guys, who were liked to party, on a team that is a dry team? Not likely. As for JVR, he wasn’t very effective and not even close to as good as some of the players they have right now. Why keep them around if they don’t fit? Richards and Carter were good for LA, but they weren’t good for Philly when they were needed the most. I am glad they are gone. In 2011, Richards wasn’t very good. Carter wasn’t that great either. Players will still come to Philadelphia when they know that they are actually going to play hard. It’s only a couple of minutes a night. Richards and Carter were too comfortable in Philly. They got lazier. For both of them, the best thing that could happen was that they both got the wake up calls they needed by being traded.

      • sizzle299 - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:15 PM

        marquee and JVR don’t belong in the same paragraph let alone the same sentence. Same goes for Jeff ‘no contact’ Carter. I’ll split the difference with Richards. But JVR c’mon man….

      • Doesnotmatter - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM

        They weren’t great in 2010/11? Really ? Jeff Carter 36 goals, 66 points, +27
        Mike Richards 23 goals, 66 points +11
        You are right. They sucked big time.

      • whlskey - Jul 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM

        I can’t really fathom a world in the NHL where no marquee player wouldn’t want to go play alongside the likes of Giroux for a team that’s proven time and time again, that losing is unacceptable, i.e.: The Richards, Carter, and JVR trades.

      • flyeredup202 - Jul 6, 2012 at 1:59 PM

        Carter only scores when it didnt count…. IE. Open net or when they were up by 4 and he decided to put one ON net…. Richie and Carts were great when they first came up in the league but when they cared more about getting down the shore to Sea Isle to find a chick to shack up with for the night then coming to the rink… there is an issue there. Lavy asked that team to be a DRY team for a 6 month period down the stretch and you have 19 guys that thought that was a great idea….. only 3 didnt… Richards, Carter, and Versteeg all gone. Ryan and Weber are welcome to Philly, Say what you want about Philly or “philthy” as you like to call it but this team is young and talented. If the man between the pipes comes into his universe this year and plays the way he knows how this is a hard team to beat

  2. canuckswino - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    If the Canucks don’t submit a one-year offer sheet purely from a strategic point of view, I’ll be disappointed. The positives are many: ensure Nashville can’t sign Weber long term bringing him to his UFA year next July; ensure the Preds can’t trade him which is huge because I don’t think the Nucks could assemble the best package for Weber; or, in a perfect world, they get the game’s best defenceman for picks – late picks at that! Gillis: you have to do this. Only downside: you piss off other GM’s, and might have to wait a year to go after Weber.

    • ruddigervancity - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:20 PM

      I agree it sounds good in principle, but why would Weber sign a one year offer sheet? He knows Nashville would match almost any number and that would force him to stay on a team he may not want to stay with.

      A number too high for Nashville to match would certainly cost 4 first rounders, which is pretty steep when you’re only guaranteed to get one year out of him.

      • canuckswino - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        Agree with all those points, but I was just trying to stress that submitting a one year offer sheet for the Nucks is better than just waiting to see what happens. If the Canucks do nothing, they’re just hoping that Weber doesn’t sign a long-term deal with the Preds, or another team that might trade for Weber, and hoping that he’s bent on testing the market next year. A long shot for all those dominos to fall the Canucks’ way…

      • ruddigervancity - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:45 PM

        The only problem is that Weber wouldn’t want to sign an offer sheet unless he is sure that the Preds won’t match (i.e. he doesn’t want to sign an offer sheet that locks him in NSH for a year – why would he if he truly doesn’t want to be there long term?). So I think you’re talking a number north of, say, $9 mil? And you give up 4 firsts, and you aren’t sure if he’s going to stick around….

  3. sjb48 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Would love to have him in Philly

    • Jay - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:55 PM

      I want him to be on the Flyers too. He’d be perfect for the team

  4. lordfletcher - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    He’s going to the only place where all top free agents go, Minnesota

    too soon ?

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:51 PM

      They have cap room.

      The 98 million dollar defenseman can start earning that by planting a seed in Weber’s head.

  5. DED - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Send him to Detroit so he can apologize to Zetterberg for smashing his head into the glass.

    • michiganhockey11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM

      Come on Ken Holland. Work some magic here…….

    • lordfletcher - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:05 PM

      no one wants to go to Detroit. Home of a top 10 worst city / suburb’s in the US.

      HA! keep dreaming.

      Hardcore Pawn is a pretty sweet show tho, you can take pride in that.

      • michiganhockey11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM

        Do you actually think that the players live in the city limits? Much less the same about the majority of players on all teams? I’m sure Patrick Kane lives right next door to what’s left of Cabrini Green in Chicago right? I’m sure he’d much rather live there than Lake Geneva or outside the city limits.

        You sure know an awful lot about Detroit and the metro area. Ever been there or live there?

      • michiganhockey11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        And for the record, Steve Yzerman lived in an apartment right next to Joe Louis Arena on the river for quite some time after he was drafted. And that’s not a real grand area to be in off Jefferson Ave either.

      • lordfletcher - Jul 6, 2012 at 2:38 AM

        cheese and rice.

        It was a joke, settle down girls

  6. mattj2524 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Philly has massive amounts of cap space right now ($10mil-ish) and even more to come next season (Kimmo, Hartnell – even Jody Shelly’s $1.1 million worth of theivery). What a complete monster move it would be to add a beast like Weber. At the end of the day though, being an RFA, he’s in complete control. Would he want to be in Philly? I certainly don’t see why not, but for some reason, Philly doesn’t seem like an attractive place for free agents right now. For now – fingers cross in Philly.

  7. rsl22 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Not a Preds fan, but I hope he does stay in Nashville (unless he wants to come play for the Caps, just like all the other valuable free agents).

    Weber’s right that it was surprising to see Suter leave when the team had so much promise. They had a great, young defense that was even getting better (Blom, Ellis and Josi), and a great goalie. They were only one (maybe two?) top forwards away from being a real Cup contender.

    MN has a couple good prospects (Granlund sounds legit), and now Parise and Suter, but I just don’t understand leaving a team that made it to 2nd round of playoffs for a team that has won exactly zero postseason series since the lockout and has only been to the playoffs once in the last 8 seasons.

    • mattj2524 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:35 PM

      You don’t understand 13 years, $98 mil, and playing in the same state that you live in?

      • rsl22 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        Don’t get me wrong, I love money just as much as the next guy. But I have to believe the Preds made a pretty legit offer.

        As for living in MN versus Nashville, well, Nashville is a pretty cool city. I’d personally take Nashville as a better place to live, with a lot more to do and much less cold. And you can always go home to MN during the off-season.

        If it comes down to same amount of money, I would have stuck with Weber. The defense in MN is still below average, and Weber makes playing with any defender on the Wild look like a dream come true. Stoner? Gilbert? Maybe not terrible, but a huge step down. That is going to affect Suter.

  8. scionofflame - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    I don’t think Weber is likely to leave Nashville. He likes the players and people here, and Poile is sure to offer him a hefty contract in terms of cash and length.

    At the very least if he does leave, at least we’re getting something for him.

    • mattj2524 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      I wouldn’t think he was likely to leave either. Then again, I wouldn’t want to live out the rest of my professinoal career in a city free agent’s didn’t want to play in. That’s not a knock on Nashville at all either – you just don’t see that town being a big draw for top notch talent. If they could convince a couple supporting cast members to sign up and play with him, I’d think they’d have a great shot at re-inking him.

  9. uscthom78 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    I am sure he was shocked when Suter clearly said he would rather play with Zach than a perennial Norris trophy candidate.

  10. michiganhockey11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    I just can’t wait until the new CBA comes out and the max a team can sign a player for will be 6 years……

    • paperkid96 - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:23 PM

      Oddly it will be the Leipold that begs for it. He’ll probably ask for a 10% roll back too.

  11. ray2013 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    So either sign him to a long-term contract or trade him, and any team trading for him would want to sign him to a long-term contract.

    My question is: if Suter (the lesser of the two) attracted a 13-year, $98 million dollar contract in free agency, would should Weber be offered? What is the current value of a top-3 defenceman (aka annual Norris Trophy finalist)?

    Because he’s a year younger, are we talking 14 years and $110 million range?

    • michiganhockey11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:56 PM


  12. going4iton4th - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    I’m a Nashville fan (not at all shocked that Suter signed elsewhere but Minnesota I did not see coming). I think signing Weber is a necessity for the franchise to stay viable. We’ve locked up Rinne—with this setback with Suter I don’t think ownership/Poile/Trotz have a choice. You either sign Shea or you take the big PR hit and risk alienating what fanbase you have built. I think our main issue is finding forwards that can put the puck in the net. Legwand was never that player and it just seems to me aside from dropping a fat contract for one (which is hard to do when you are in a smaller market)-we’ve never developed one via the draft. Weber above all else must be signed no exceptions on this. If I were Poile I’d give him the moon.

  13. snipedanglecelly13 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Lol yeah hardcore pawn is sweet I been there. And for the most part none of the wings live in Detroit, they live in northville or novi. So that doesn’t matter when it comes to signing with Detroit.

  14. garrison1981 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Lordfletcher- your an idiot stuck in a box! Detroit is bad just like Chicago, Memphis,New York,LA, etc! There’s ghetto everywhere! Guarantee I have mansions right by me that r bigger than the size of ur apartment building u fat turd! Detroit is and will always be better than ur sorry team!!

    • thraiderskin - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:32 AM

      Man, you need to stop. Detroit is terrible, actually go to other large cities and see for yourself. Detroit has maybe had the most difficult time adjusting to economic issues than any other city. Its so bad, that even if you hate Detroit, you almost feel bad for what it has become. Sorry man, but Detroit is a toilet. While there are worse cities, none the size of detroit.Obviously I can’t speak for all the suburbs, I’m sure there are some damn nice ones. I also doubt that would be such a gigantic turn-off for FAs.

      • m1lla7 - Jul 6, 2012 at 11:33 AM

        When was the last time you were there?

  15. garrison1981 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Illitch and Holland you know are right now working to get deal done after losing out on Suter n rest of Def are taken! Hockey’s hockey n Zetterberg will welcome him in! His blast from point will be great to replace the Legend before him! Go wings!

  16. savior72 - Jul 5, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Look, if there’s more money out there, that’s where he’ll go. Example, I watched Puljos leave after just winning the World Series. Great community guy and teammate, listened to him say all the right things and then, see ya! That’s what they do and you better be ready to pay TOP dollar to keep him. That’s the only way he’s staying a Pred.

    • somekat - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:44 PM

      If that were always the case, Suter and Parise would be Flyers. It is the case most of the time, but some guys do have perspective, and realize that a 90 million dollar contract some place you will be happy, may be better than a 100 million contract where you aren’t as sure.

  17. smushrodriguez - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    @Jay. Is your last name Snider? I thought he was in China “pursuing other interest”. Man, you are really drinking the kool-aid. The problems with the team when they were hear (and still) are: team makeup, coaching, and terrible team defense (due to system). The two guys who should be out are not Richards and Carter but Homer and Snider. The reason they were “good for LA” is that LA has a better team makeup, a system where forwards contribute on defense, and a better coach.

    • mattj2524 - Jul 6, 2012 at 11:56 AM

      Stop. The reason is simple – leadership. Richards was given the C way too early in his career. Maybe he was never right to wear it, who knows. This year we had leadership wearing the C – but we lost it in the first quarter of the season to a career ending concussion. Carter and Richards had to go because keeping Richy and stripping him of the C would have been an insult he might not have been able to recover from mentally, and Carter – well you saw the kind of character that guy has when he’s not playing on a winning team with his best bud Richie – but that’s just may opinion.

      Richards – shame, but it had to happen because he had the C pushed on him too early on.
      Carter – same game as Semin, whose still a free agent right now for a reason.
      JVR – we needed D, and the price to pay for it was JVR. I hope he stays healthy and develops up north.

      I hope they choose the person to wear the C wisely this time…no need to repeat past mistakes.

  18. mwojo586 - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    To all you Detroit Bashers.. You do realize Detroit borders Gross Pointe and is close to Bloomfield hills basically which are two of the richest cities in the US. 50% of the homes average more than 1 milion dollars and 3 or 4 NFL owners also live there. People go to Detroit, they don’t live there. To play hockey there is a lot of NHL players dreams.

  19. sassiecassie69 - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    everyone should’ve known suter was leaving the preds. when they signed pekka rinne with that huge contract, their next priority was weber. by then, everyone was saying how were they going to pay for suter? apparently, they did have the money but suter always knew he was third in line and likely would’ve gone into free agency. he knew all along he was going to be leaving the preds. not shocked at all. what i am shocked about is that parise left the devils and they both ended up in minn of all places? guess family was more important than winning for the cup, at least in the short term.

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