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Report: ‘Canes pull out of Nash bidding after Howson demands Skinner

Jul 5, 2012, 1:20 PM EDT

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It’s understood Columbus GM Scott Howson expects big returns for Rick Nash.

But are those expectations getting too big?

That appears the case for at least one team as TSN’s Darren Dreger reports Carolina has pulled out of Nash bidding — after Howson asked for Jeff Skinner in return.

“Hurricanes are no longer persuing [sic] Rick Nash,” Dreger wrote. “Cost way too high. CBJ believed to be after Jeff Skinner. Non-starter.”

Skinner, 20, won the 2011 Calder Trophy after scoring 31G-23A-63 points as an 18-year-old rookie — that same year, he became the youngest player to ever participate in an NHL All-Star game. The former Kitchener Ranger had 44 points in 64 games last year after his season was interrupted by a concussion.

In short, he’s one of the best young talents in hockey.

He’s also a player that Carolina was never going to part with, according to Chip Alexander of the Raleigh News and Observer.

“If Skinner had to be included in any Nash deal, it was never going to happen,” Alexander tweeted. “That point was made clear weeks ago.

“[‘Canes GM Jim] Rutherford won’t comment on Nash situation. Said ‘Canes could could have interest in Doan, Semin. Reading between the lines: Canes are moving on.”

If true, Howson’s demands follow what Larry Brooks of the New York Post reported earlier this week — the asking price for Nash is sky high:

The Rangers have made it clear they will not include Ryan McDonagh, Chris Kreider or DerekStepan in a deal to bring the 28-year-old Nash to Broadway.

Nevertheless, Howson continues to demand that one — and perhaps two — of the three be part of the package in return for Nash, who has a no-move clause and has provided the Blue Jackets with a short list of teams to which he will accept a trade.

While Howson seems firm in his “I’ll be patient/I want what I want” stance, one wonders if he’s got an accurate gauge on the market. Nash’s no-trade clause and select list of approved teams means Howson’s only dealing with a handful of teams as opposed to all 30 NHL clubs.

That said, Nash could end up increasing the number of approved teams if/once he realizes Howson’s playing hardball.

  1. emperorzero - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Sounds like most teams are trying to give up a dime and three nickels for a quarter; However, if Howson was asking for a lot more than Skinner then I can see why Carolina passed.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

      He probably wanted the Staals, too.

  2. langforc - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Ha Skinner > Nash. What were the CBJs going to include with Nash to get Skinner?

  3. mathieug79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    When will the Columbus franchise finally understand Scott Howson is worthless. Your giving up a franchise player, but a cap hit, and a huge contract comes with the guy. Get wtv you can have, don’t be so picky. Rick Nash is a great player but no way he’s worth Skinner (contract wise) Really this is a a guy that doesn’t want to play there, you have no leverage at all. It should be a salary dump, and not a trade that gets you a big package of prospects and picks.

    • obamablowz - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM

      Or understand that Nash isn’t that good for that matter

      • mathieug79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM

        100% agree

      • obamablowz - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        Jagr 40 years old…..73 games 54 points
        Nash 28 years old…..82 games 59 points
        Before you all start saying “he’s on a bad team” wasn’t Jagr on a line with SCOTT HARTNELL who had career high in G’s A’s Pts’s.Jagr made player around him better in one year at 40 FREAKING years old!!!!! Nash is a good player yes, but not worth all the hype

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:37 PM

        Jagr is a special player. Nobody is comparing Nash to Jagr except you. Nash is still a highly talented guy that I think could go back to scoring 40+ on the right team.

      • obamablowz - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:52 PM

        Correction, jagr was a special player. The fact a 40 year old had better that hasn’t played in NHL for 3 seasons had a better year than this guy in his prime says a ton to me. I could nsme about 20 other avg players with same stats as this “franchise” player

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:29 PM

        That he could come back to the NHL after that absence and make an impact shows me he’s still a special player. However, if you say Nash isn’t much good because of the numbers he’s put up on what is basically an AHL team then you obviously haven’t seen him play much. The guy has talent and it’s being wasted in Columbus.

      • obamablowz - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM

        Curious where i said he’s isn’t good. I’m simply saying his contract, his skills, and now his “eric lindros” drama isn’t worth the headache. Who’s to say he won’t pull this crap on his new team? I like him as a player, but don’t know why so many love him.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:08 AM

        “Nash isn’t that good”

        Thanks for playing.

    • obamablowz - Jul 6, 2012 at 1:13 AM

      Awwwwwman!!!! Meant for What their asking but i typed it!

  4. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Why does this guy still have a job? I could pull of this trade and get CBJ a fair return.

  5. buddysguys - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    howson is almost as bad as Darcy Regier in his values on players…Nash is great but not worth setting your franchise back in terms of giving up prospects, current talent and picks for a 28 year old winger that’s never played a playoff game and has scored 40 goals 2 times 4 years ago and 9 years ago and who’s pts have decreased since ’08…HOWSON this isnt Stamkos were talking here!!

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:41 PM

      He’s played in the playoffs, and it stands to reason that a guy with his skill set would have better production playing alongside real NHL players. But you’re right, he’s still not worth any team selling off a chunk of its present and its future.

      • jpelle82 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        he is a staple on team canada and plays pretty well with them (ppg). it would be scary to see him for 82 games with a decent team around him

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:45 PM

        He’s played exactly 4 playoff games in 9 seasons, that’s like playing no playoff games. And again using the “he’s been great with team Canada” chip, what does it say about a player when the only way he can really excel is if he’s playing with extreme top end talent?

        Rick Nash is the modern day Bernie Nicholls, a good player who can be great if he’s put on a line with top talent but isn’t a guy you’d be able to build your franchise around…hence not a franchise player.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:35 PM

        In what universe does four equal zero? He’s played in the playoffs and he’s played in big games for Canada.

        Also, he’s a perennial 30 goal scorer and he does it ON HIS OWN. He doesn’t need to play with top talent, just the NHL-calibre top six guys that CBJ lacks and other teams have in abundance.

        Anyone who says Nash isn’t that good or is overrated just hasn’t seen him play enough. Howson is overvaluing by asking for top prospects and players for him but that doesn’t mean he’s worth a bag of pucks.

      • mikebel11 - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:31 PM

        I wouldn’t call team Canada’s world championship teams extreme top end talent. For the most part they’re an above average NHL team that usually starts their backup goalie. There’s teams in the league who ice a roster comparable to the last couple times Nash played for Canada.

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:06 PM

        In a 9 year career 4 NHL playoff games is equal to none, you can say a lot of things about Nash but NHL playoff experienced is not one of them.

        In no way do I think Rick Nash is equivalent to a bag of pucks in a trade, Nash is a good player and should rightfully bring a few pieces back, however I disagree with the notion that Rick Nash is a franchise player, he’s not, he’s a piece to a puzzle not the piece you build around.

  6. hockinj25 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    If the asking price is this high, I don’t want the Red Wings to make a trade. Howson will probably ask for Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:47 PM

      Plus a couple of picks…

  7. mydadyourmom - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Comparing Regier and Howson? Haha, you are an imbecile.

  8. miketoasty - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    I don’t know the situation in Columbus but the Penguins have a plethora of young Defensive talent, wouldn’t mind giving up a pick, and could possibly throw in 1 or 2 NHL ready players (May not be the likes of Jordan Staal, but Kennedy and Kunitz are pretty good).

    First off I know Howson would never do this, he wants a young star, in return for an Aging one plus tons of prospects to work with. As what has already been said though, if a deal doesn’t get done to get rid of Nash, this year is going to be very interesting for the Blue Jackets and Columbus.

    • stakex - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      Of course he would never do that trade, hes already had a similar (slightly better in fact) offer from the Rangers at the deadline and laughed at it. The guys crazy.

  9. mathieug79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Everyone should pull out of this “Nash Sweepstake” and that way Nash would be less picky on the team he plays for next season!

    • jpelle82 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:59 PM

      well at the rate howson is going, nash wont have a choice, he will be playing for the same team for the remaining 6 years left on his contract

    • stakex - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM

      The fact thta Nash has a short list of teams hes willing to go to isn’t really the issue. Its the price Columbus wants. Its hard to see ANY team meeting Howson current demands even if he could deal with all 30 teams. Not to mention a lot of teams wouldn’t even think of taking on Nash’s $7.8 million cap hit, which would limit the market anyway.

      Be it from Nash’s short list, or other factors… theres really only a few teams that will be in on getting Nash. Howson is just using the short list as a lame excuse why no one is meeting his price.

  10. mathieug79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    I’ll give you Lecavalier for Nash. Two salary dump, and 2 players that are regressing.

  11. ineedmorehossa - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Rick Nash is unpacking his suitcae, and making sure his CBJ sweater still fits….

  12. stakex - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    If Scott Howson isn’t careful, this is going to finally get him fired. Nash doesn’t want to be there, period. Paying a guy $7.8 million a year to be disgruntled and un-productive shouldn’t even be an option, yet with the way Howson is trying to deal it currently seems like the ONLY option. I wonder if Columbus’s owner thinks its such a great idea.

    If Howson was smart, he would stop trying to be the hero who was able to get far above market value for Nash, and just take whatever he can get. Instead the longer this drags on, and the more we hear about the laughable demands hes making, Howson looks worse and worse at his job. In the event a deal doesn’t get done, its hard to see Howson having a job next year.

    • ecmar2000 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      Howson getting fired – uh, not if Mr. Detroit Blue Devils (what the owner called the Detroit Red Wings – I was there, that’s a fact) continues to own the team.

      After all, he refers to Howson as his “learning, intelligent, On-(the)-Job-Training (OJT)” GM – and this is Year 5 of his taking the organization into unprecedented levels.

      It also doesn’t help when his boss – the CPA who makes on-ice personnel decisions via Google – that’s also a fact, confirmed by well-known NHL personnel people – refers to the GM as ‘The Perfect GM’. Of course he is – he does what he’s told to do by the team president (AKA The Googler).

      Note: If you believe my vitriol to be a pile of rubbish – uh, I’m in a position to know what actually goes on that those commenting choose to discount as non-factual.

      Bottom line: SH is in way over his head – I expect Nash to either remain with the team (U-G-L-Y) or the other GMs to not bite on these outrageous demands (not collusion, but a hard line stance against his ridiculous demands) – also ugly.

  13. imacdane - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    When is Howson gonna wise up and lower his demands? If he doesn’t move Nash before the season starts, Columbus could be in big trouble. Nash’s relationship with the team cannot be all that great considering he’s made it known that he wants out, and I’ve gotta to believe that damper his production, causing his trade value to go down. Plus he’s overrated.

    • ecmar2000 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM

      He (Howson) orchestrated Hitch’s – you know, the ONLY guy who got them into the playoffs and, oh, won that little award called the Jack Adams award – ousting and Nash (again, covering the team, I know) was bewildered as he loved Hitch.

      Let’s also not forget that Howson threw Nash under the bus at the trade deadline. Would you trust someone who pulled such (a) wease-ly act(s) to enact a trade that’s in your best interests?

  14. bcjim - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Who does Nash want to be with *less* than CBJ??

    I would guess he would waive his ntc to go play for the beer league.

  15. withoutapaddle4 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Anyone else see a little Hugo Weaving in Howson?

  16. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Oh Lord would I love to see Howson try to play poker.

    “I’ve got an Ace and a 4 in my hand, and there’s an Ace on the table. ALL IN. Your move, guys.”

    It would be like Michael Scott but even more delusionally overconfident.

  17. uscthom78 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Since only 3 untradeable rangers, just ask for hank and cally.

  18. eyeh8goodell - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    It’s obvious Howson’s asking price is completely unreasonable. All these teams have to do is sit back, wait, and let Howson become desperate to deal. There is no way he can go into next season with Nash still in the org and a totally caustic situation in the locker room. Howson better get his asking price in order or he’ll leverage himself into actually having to take LESS than fair market value.

  19. dtob79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    “Hey Ray, Howson here. Look, sorry you missed out on Parise, but we have a guy who’s just as good. All it’ll take is James Neal, Brandon Sutter and Kris Let…hello? Hello?”

  20. hsnepts - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    I think you’re all forgetting something – Howson isn’t the only terrible GM in this league. He might still find a dupe for his inflated demands.

  21. sergeikremlin - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Howson continues to utilize the “door in the face” technique, demanding so high that he may get a really good deal, just short of his demands.

    Seems Mike Gillis is doing the same thing.

    Maybe these guys should try the “foot in the door” technique instead, and start with a couple of pieces instead of asking for other teams’ “untouchables”, because the fact is, other teams don’t have to part with their high-end prospects/talent, while CBJ and VAN do.

  22. uscthom78 - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Surely he’s trying to get some team to overpaid, but there is no doubt at all that those other teams are trying to lowball him.

  23. jkaflagg - Jul 6, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Every team is upset because Howson hasn’t accepted their offer of a 2nd-3rd line forward, a 2nd-3rd pair defenseman or maybe a prospect or two they don ‘t want anymore for his consistent 30 goal scorer in his prime ? Shocking ! Howson’s job is to maximize the value of his assets, and the idea that other GM’s are somehow insulted when he asks for quality players in return is ridiculous…..Just say no, or make a counter proposal – don’t get your panties in a bunch and whine to the press about how unreasonable the GM of the worst team in the league is being as you try to fleece him out of one of his only assets…..

    Or, have some guts and make a deal – do you think Dean Lombardi wanted to give up Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds for Mike Richards ? He knows as well as anyone that those players will be stars in the league for years, but he felt Richards might be the piece that put the team over the top – and he was rewarded in the playoffs. Yes Flyer fans, I know Richards wasn’t the main reason they won, but there is no doubt they don’t win it without him…..And winning the Cup, even once, is worth the risk…..

    And while I agree that Skinner for Nash doesn’t work, if I were a Ranger fan I’d have to wonder why McDonough, Kreider or Stepan is untouchable…..New York just saw a great season fizzle out in the playoffs when they just couldn’t buy a goal, and I wonder if they couldn’t part with at least one of those players to add another proven goal scorer…..

    But then, why take a chance ? Better to hang on to all the kids, and maybe someday they’ll all develop into stars and bring home the Cup……someday……

    • DED - Jul 6, 2012 at 11:11 AM

      This Ranger fan doesn’t wonder why they weren’t let go. These guys are the future of the team and are in their early 20’s. All 3 have entry level contracts so they’re inexpensive too. Look, for years the Rangers played the Free Agent game and overpaid for a bunch of guys that collected paychecks and didn’t produce. Then the Lockout came and the team decided to groom its players to play for the team instead of using them as trade bait. Yeah, Sather still overpaid for free agents (Drury, Gomez, Redden, etc) but he had to keep bringing some experienced players in while the young guys developed. He tried to find the right mix but the expensive guys kept going bust. This year the team finally became a contender. Yeah, the playoffs were a struggle, but they still made it to the ECF. Why abandon the formula that’s clearly bringing the team in the right direction? These guys have another year of experience under their belts and they’re better hockey players for it.

      Put it another way, how many years did Crosby or Gretzky play with their respective teams before they won the Cup? By your logic, they should’ve been traded before they had a chance to succeed!

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