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The price to get Rick Nash is still high

Jul 2, 2012, 9:55 AM EDT

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While things mostly worked out for the New York Rangers without Rick Nash last season, their need of a big goal scorer was evident in the playoff — and GM Glen Sather knows it.

The problem is Columbus GM Scott Howson’s asking price is still sky high. Larry Brooks of the New York Post gives up what he’s heard the Jackets want from the Rangers to land Nash.

But from the moment serious discussions between the parties commenced, the Rangers have made it clear they will not include Ryan McDonagh, Chris Kreider or Derek Stepan in a deal to bring the 28-year-old Nash to Broadway.

Nevertheless, Howson continues to demand that one — and perhaps two — of the three be part of the package in return for Nash, who has a no-move clause and has provided the Blue Jackets with a short list of teams to which he will accept a trade.

These demands are similar to the ones Howson had for New York before the trade deadline. At least he’s consistent in what he’s asking for. Oddly enough, Howson may have an advantage here.

With Zach Parise saying he won’t go to the Rangers and Bobby Ryan getting overtures from the Sabres and Flyers, if the Rangers want a big goal scorer Nash may be their only target. If the Rangers are willing to budge on any of the three players Brooks mentions, perhaps a deal finally gets done.

  1. mmazzzzzz - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    No McDonagh…No Kreider…tell Howson to go f@#* himself!

    • obamablowz - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      Where are all those with man crush on Nash now? If he hasnt been traded still, doesnt that tell you something? Stupid fans and Blue Jackets are only ones calling this guy a “franchise player”

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 2, 2012 at 2:41 PM

        It’s not Nash’s fault if he were surrounded by players from the Canadian Olympic team constantly then he’d be a pretty good player…

        Nash is a modern day Bernie Nicholls, nothing more, nothing less.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 5:16 PM

        He may not be a franchise player per se, but he’s not chopped liver. The guy is consistently good and doesn’t throw his teammates or organization under the bus despite clearly wanting out. Give the guy SOME credit at least. Stupid trolls and idiots are the only ones who have nothing good to say about the guy.

      • obamablowz - Jul 2, 2012 at 7:57 PM

        There must be a ton of trolls as the other GM’s and scouts in the NHL because they’re not trading for him.

      • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

        That rationale is crap and you’re smarter than that (I should hope). This has nothing to do with other GMs and scouts not wanting him. They see what Howson wants, which is admittedly too high, even for a guy like Nash, but it doesn’t mean they’re not circling. Also, those prospective GMs may not be on Nash’s short list of teams he’d like to play for. It’s not for lack of credit that there aren’t any other offers out there (that we know of anyway).

      • obamablowz - Jul 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

        Just read that he is going to “make another list of more teams” he is willing to go to…If he is not traded shortly thereafter you’re argument of “Also, those prospective GMs may not be on Nash’s short list of teams he’d like to play for.” will be void. Only time will tell buddy. Anyway, it beats NOTHING to read in the NHL!!!!!

  2. rpiotr01 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Howson’s problem is that it looks like NYR are the only team on Nash’s list that are seriously willing to trade for him. If someone else jumps in it’s a different story but at the end of the day he has to do what’s right for his club long term, and that doesn’t include keeping an unhappy, $8 million white elephant on the roster.

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      Looks like Nash needs to make his list a bit longer then. Ottawa obviously wanted him. Why didn’t he want Ottawa? And who are these other teams he wants to play for? This seems to be the catch here, that and Howson’s unreasonable demands.

  3. rsl22 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    If the Rags are looking for a guy with baggage, they should go for Semin. If they chose to play him with Richards, he would almost be guaranteed to score 40 for around $6MM. Gaborik – Richards – Semin – Callahan – Del Zotto would be a pretty sick 1PP.

    I understand I’ll get like 30 Thumbs Down, but the fact is, here are their career averages:

    Nash – .43 goals/game – .81 points/game.
    Semin – .42 goals/game – .87 points/game.

    Semin was a second liner in Washington, and was playing around 16:47 minutes/game, and not on the first powerplay, getting 2:31 powerplay/game. Nash was at 19:05 minutes/game, with 3:27 powerplay/game. Semin never once was given a chance with a real center, and while I understand the team in Columbus was always terrible, he did at least have a chance to make something happen with Carter.

    I hate the Rangers, but if I were in charge, I’d keep my young guys and pay less for Semin.

    • rsl22 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:39 AM

      And just a quick addition (ice time is only 2011-12, stats are career):

      Semin averages: 16:47 ES icetime/game – 2:31 PP icetime/game
      Regular Season – .42 goals/game – .87 points/game
      Playoffs – .30 goals/game – .66 points/game

      Parise averages: 21:29 ES icetime/game – 3:26 PP icetime/game
      Regular Season – .39 goals/game – .82 points/game
      Playoffs – .34 goals/game – .70 points/game

      I am NOT saying Semin is better or “as good as” Zach Parise. I am saying that for a much smaller cap hit, and a much more manageable term, you have two guys with pretty similar numbers available.

      Semin’s numbers are arguably better considering he was playing on second PP unit with much, much fewer minutes – over 25% more ice time for Parise.

      When you kick the tires on Nash or Parise, and then consider Semin…

      • jpelle82 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:53 AM

        only problem is semin is russian, a cancer, and only shows up when he feels like it. not gonna fly with torterella. semin is gonna want a short term 1 or 2 year and 6-7 mill per year. dont know if he is that super cap friendly with all the baggage he comes with.

      • rsl22 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:58 AM

        I’d love to see Semin with Torts. HA. That is a match made in heaven.

      • jernster21 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

        @jpelle82, that’s incorrect, Semin wants longer term and more likely to negotiate salary based on term.

      • rsl22 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:33 AM

        Obviously, I don’t really know exactly what the deal is….but I don’t think the $$$ is the main issue for signing Semin. Per several stories from his agent, I think more than money, he wants:

        1) A true center, and Mathieu Perreault and Keith Aucoin don’t qualify as a center (which the Caps finally signed, but are letting Semin walk for nothing in return).
        2) Time on power play
        3) Time on penalty kill

      • jpelle82 - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        ya right. maybe a long term deal with a khl team. he cant commit to anything but a toe drag per game…he wants to be able to bail once the locker room gets uncomfortable

    • stakex - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:49 AM

      I completely agree with that.

      I would have no problem with the Rangers going after Semin. He might be a slacker at times, but he has all the ability to put up huge numbers. I personally think he has a much higher ceiling then Nash, and maybe even Parise, if he was played in a top line role (as you point out, hes done what hes done as a second line player). Keeping him interested might be an issue, and I don’t know how well he would fit with Torts… but considering hes probably not going to make much more then $5 million this year, he would be a steal.

  4. bigpara - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Parise will go anywhere’s where the money is right, his father already said that Parsie wants to go to the Rangers, and I am sure he talks to his son about important issues like that, so I believe 100% of that story is true, why would his father lie about something that hurt his son chances on making that big deal. Howson is asking too much for Nash to every team. He will give in, Nash is a FA after next season and he knows he will get nothing for it, if he just lets Nash walk after next season. Nash’s numbers are declining anyway

    • daerian - Jul 2, 2012 at 3:52 PM

      Maybe look up Nasher’s contract before you speak. He’s not an FA after next year. Far from it. He’s signed through 2017-2018. As a secondary CBJ fan (I’m from Columbus, but a lifelong Pens fan), if Howson gets anything less than he’s currently asking for, then let Nash play out his deal. I wouldn’t trade him for less, either.

  5. quizguy66 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    I’d gladly trade McDonagh from the Rangers for Nash. Of course I’m a Devils fan :)

    Seriously, I’d be very surprised if the Rangers moved any of those three in a deal for Nash and it’d be foolish for them to do so.

    -QG

  6. stakex - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    Sather would be a complete and utter idiot to make a deal that includes any of those players, let alone a deal that includes two of them. I’ve said it 20 times, and I’ll say it again… Nash is not worth anywhere close to what Columbus wants for him. Hes a solid player who has averaged 64 points over the last three season, not a super star whos scoring 90-100 points a year. He also comes with a laughable cap hit thanks in no small part to Columbus over paying him.

    The TOP offer the Rangers give for Nash should be no bigger then: Dubinsky, Del Zotto, Tim Erixon, J.T. Miller, and a first round pick. Thats a top defenseman, a solid 2nd line player, two top prospects, and a first round pick. Nash isn’t worth a penny more then that, and probably isn’t even worth that.

    Lets also not forget that there is one team over a barrel here, and its not the Rangers. They want another scorer, but they don’t NEED it. They still made it to the ECF last year with the team they have, and will have Kreider this year who very well could add an offensive bump. Columbus on the other hand has little choice but to trade Nash, and there are only a couple teams Nash is willing to go to. If none of the other teams he wants to go to are coming up with decent offers…. Columbus, not the Rangers, are the ones on the barrel here.

    • stakex - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM

      To add to that last point, it seems like the only other teams Columbus is talking to about trading Nash are/were the Flyers, Hurricanes and Senators. Word is, none of them are on the short list of teams Nash would go to. That would seem to indicate the Rangers are the only team Nash is willing to go to that is actually willing to trade for him. Again, its certainly not the Rangers over the barrel right now… its Columbus. All Sather has to do is wait it out and Columbus will come begging for a deal.

      • daerian - Jul 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM

        Why is Columbus ‘over the barrel’? They have him signed through 2018. If they can’t find a deal they like, the screw it. Play the guy. He’s a professional and a class guy, he’ll play to his ability, no matter where he is.

  7. sjsharks66 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    The rangers will probably get Nash for Del Zotto and some draft picks.
    Blue jackets gave up Jeff carter for one of the worst defenseman in the league. So why not do it again.

    • daerian - Jul 2, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      It says a lot about the US Men’s Olympic team that he’s an integral part of the organization and one of the worst defensemen in the NHL. Team USA must really, really suck.

  8. mclovinhockey - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    @bigpara, sorry doing this on my phone. What the hell are you talking about? If parise wanted to be a rag they would be on his list of teams, NASH IS SIGNED TILL 2018!!!! Nothing you said made any sense. Please look something up before making stuff up.

    The rangers will prob use del Z as their big piece, the rags also don’t want Dubinsky so they will toss him into the deal, maybe a few first rounders to sweeten the pot and a prospect. Nash is not worth more than that.

  9. jaybyrd99 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    no way i’m giving up kreider(especially after his playoff performance) or mcdonagh . maybe stepan and del zotto and certainly dubinsky. however if howson stays hard on the first two i DON”T do the trade.let someone else take nash and his cap hit..

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:03 AM

      Glen Sather, is that you?

      • jaybyrd99 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

        yes,how many cigars you need for rick nash ?

  10. hockeyd40 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    I know this is unrelated, but is there any network in the US that will be covering the free agent signings live today.

  11. lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    How about Nash to the Jets for Bogosian, Burmistrov, and a 3rd rd pick? A Little-Ladd-Nash line would be pretty sweet, and then Kane-Scheif-Wheeler 2nd line. Just think about it ;)

  12. fiyeaglesfiy - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Even though no deal has been made, Glen Sather has played this the right way so far. Rangers were the 1 seed in the east last year and are keeping their core intact for next season, therefore the pressure is on Columbus to make a move to jump start their rebuilding process. Unless Columbus reduces their demands, the Rangers would be better off not trading their young, cheap pieces for Nash. Kreider is on a rookie deal and has the upside to be a Nash-like power forward for years to come. McDonagh is one of the top young defenders in this league. Even more so, the team has good chemistry. A deal should only be made if its the right deal, Glen needs to stay patient and wait for that to happen.

    That deal should be Dubinsky (young talented roster player coming off a down year but has upside), more importantly due to his contract, he has to be the roster player included.

    Mats Zuccarello and choice of 2 top prospects between JT Miller, Christian Thomas, Dylan McIlrath, Brady Skjei

    2013 first round pick.

    That’s a pretty nice haul of young players and cost savings from Nash’s contract.

    • jaybyrd99 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      didn’t zuccarello sign with the KHL? they could trade his rights i suppose ,but would anyone take them ?

      • rsl22 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM

        HA. What were the Rangers thinking with that one? Zuccarello is like 5’6. Dude couldn’t even hack it in the AHL.

        He’d be great on my men’s league team though, even if he would be the shortest dude on the team.

  13. quizguy66 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    I can see Del Zotto being part of a deal for Nash. I think it’s amazing how down some (not all) Rangers are on this kid. I’m a Devils fan and of course I mocked him as Minus Del Zotto during the playoffs but the reality is you have a defenseman who is only 22 years old who was +20 in the regular season. Again – 22 years old! NHL Defensemen are not like gymnasts and are not washed up at that age.

    I understand that you have to give something to get something but I really don’t think that Nash is the silver bullet for the Rangers.

    -QG

    • stakex - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM

      Well the thing is the Rangers have three other very solid top four defensmen in McDonagh, Staal, and Girardi. So they can afford to part with Del Zotto and its not going to kill their defense or anything.

      As you say, they have to give up something if they want Nash and it makes more sense for the Ragners to give up a second line defensmen then it does any of their top forward assets. After all, its scoring they are after and giving up the likes of Kreider or Stepan are counter productive in that reguard.

  14. howardforvezina - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Rick Nash has never played with high skilled players such as himself. It is hard to get points with average players around you.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      That’s the point you’re not a superstar if you cant elevate the play of others around but instead rely on plying with top players to make you into a top player.

      As an example I use a player that I cheer for Jarome Iginla, how many average to below average players put up pretty good numbers while playing with him only to decline when they were somewhere else? Huselius, Tanguay and Cammaleri are 3 pretty good examples.

      Superstars make players around them better, Nash is a modern day Bernie Nicholls.

      • contraryguy - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        “That’s the point you’re not a superstar if you cant elevate the play of others around but instead rely on plying with top players to make you into a top player. ”

        So I suppose then that Mr Stamkos in Tampa Bay is a hack by your definition? How’d the Lightning do in the playoffs this year?

      • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM

        Not at all Stamkos has put up big numbers for 3 years in a row clearly showing himself to be a superstar, players on his line are better because they play with him. Throughout his career Nash has put up middle of the road numbers, but his defenders are quick to say “it’s because he isn’t playing with anyone” see the difference? I’d also point out Stamkos has been part of a team that went to the conference finals, in 9 years Nash has played 4 playoff games.

  15. bigpara - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    @mclovinhockey, my bad @ the Rick Nash contract. Look at Nash last 3 seasons, numbers are declining, 08-09 40 goals, 39 ass, 79 points, 09-10, 33 goals, 34 ass, 58 points with a rating of -2, 10-11, 32 goals, 34 ass, 34 points and this season he play more games, 30 goals, 29 ass, 59 points and a rating of -19. So yes his numbers are declining, don’t give me that bull about he was on a bad team, superstars are suppose to shine, no matter the solution. So with each season trade value is declining with his numbers declining.

    As for Parise, his father said that Parise would be a good fit for the Rangers, so someone was barking in his ear for him to say that.

  16. dhawks19 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    The trade should be patrick Kane and his beers for Nash that way howson gets a lot for Nash

  17. ningenito78 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    And there’s the fact that Krieder could become the scorer they need.

  18. ningenito78 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    And sorry Ranger fans- Parise ain’t coming.

  19. DED - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    @rsl22 Just for the record, Zuccarello had 12 G 24 A in 37 games in the AHL this year. His +/- was +5.

    Just sayin’. Not bad for a short guy.

  20. uscthom78 - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    We all know in trades the Gms are trying to rip each other off. That’s just reality. If ya think the price is too high stop pursuing Nash….plain and simple…..if ya don’t it kind of seems that you’re desperate and you may end up playing too much.

  21. bcisleman - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Sky high = fair. Nothing odd about saying Howson has the advantage because he does. He is under no obligation to trade Nash. If Nash will not accept a fair trade to OTT, Howson should make it clear that neither Nash or suitors like the NYR will get what they want by waiting him out. He has to be willing to keep Nash on the roster and suspend him and toll his contract if he doesn’t report. In short, Howson must make it clear that blackmail won’t work.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM

      I’m pretty sure holdouts aren’t even allowed now under the CBA, I think there’s some pretty massive penalties if players under contract don’t report to their teams.

      • bcisleman - Jul 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        Its massive as in they don’t get paid and their contract gets tolled…in other words, his contract currently calls for him getting paid $7.8 per through 2018. If he sits out, he gets paid nothing and he’ll still owe CBJ 6 seasons when he reports.

  22. ineedmorehossa - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Nash will start the season in Columbus….

  23. jaredo10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    dubi del zotto and stefan take it or leave it

  24. icyirish - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    everybody keeps saying we need a scorer,if torts gets over his small man issues, we have krieder who I bet anyone he will get 40 goals in rookie season,unless he burps and little man puts him on 4th line as he did in playoffs.Krieder will be a top 5 player in 3yrs.I believe if he plays with the right players he will get 50 goals for a lot of years.

  25. corbinlucas42 - Jul 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    this rick nash talk is so overrated. howson can probably get a first rounder and del zotto. i wouldnt mind that but chris kreider stefan or mcdonaugh with a roster player and a first rounder is WAY to much. howson is keeping nash like he is a precious jewl and he isnt even that good in columbus. hes only score
    d 40 goals once!

    • lostpuppysyndrome - Jul 2, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      Check again there, chief. 2x 40 Gs, 7x 30+ Gs, this despite a constantly rotating and less than stellar cast around him. In today’s NHL, the dude’s a stud. Y’all is idjits if you think that somehow he’s not a great player. Is he worth what Howson wants? Depends on who you ask. Nash is a proven player. Kreider is brand-spankin new, Stepan is good but still a little ways from being in his prime, Del Zotto has proven himself. So it’s a “bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush” situation. Do you want a great chance of getting the Cup now with Nash or do you want to hang on to what you have and have a pretty good chance, maybe not now but in a couple years? Just my take.

    • bcisleman - Jul 2, 2012 at 6:02 PM

      I may think the price of a Mercedes is too high. That doesn’t mean I get to offer my 91 Lumina and my lawnmower and expect to get the Mercedes. Pretty much what everyone seems to expect. If Howson gives in to that, he’s every bit as much the idiot everyone says he is.

  26. pantherpro - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Columbus is a dump!

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