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Report: Pittsburgh’s offer for Parise — “many years between $7-8 million”

Jun 30, 2012, 2:07 PM EST

The race to get Zach Parise signed will take over in full tomorrow afternoon, but the sales pitches are already finding their way into the news.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports the Pittsburgh Penguins will pony up a monster offer for Parise in their effort to land a premiere scoring winger to play alongside Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.

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A long-term deal worth $7-8 million per year for “many years” makes their offer a large one to start. Obviously it’s just a report but getting the amount of money per year gives you the idea of what kind of stratosphere we’re starting off with. For teams like the Red Wings, Wild, Devils, and Kings who are believed to also be in on Parise, the bar is set for them to dive in head first to go after the New Jersey captain.

  1. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Welcome to the seller’s market that is free agency. Obviously Parise is talented, but is he really worth what is essentially Crosby money? No way.

    • biasedhomer - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM

      Well, you can argue Crosby took below market value. Plus, top FAs always are overpaid. Name me one who did not sign a ridiculous contract.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM

        My point exactly.

    • stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:47 PM

      Well Rick Nash, who isn’t quite as good as Parise makes what… $7.8 million a year? So its in the ballpark I guess.

      • biasedhomer - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM

        Not quite as good…I wouldn’t say that. Nash has pretty much been the only bright spot on that team for the past 4 years. He has 3rd liners as his linemates.

  2. bgsusteelers - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    If I’m Pittsburgh, the most I’m spending on either Suter or Parise is $7.5 tops. Those players aren’t as important to a team already stacked with talent as they are to, say a team like Minnesota who is desperate to add name recognition. I would still rather use the $12M in cap space for multiple players. Doan at $4M, Tootoo at $2M, Kuba at $4.5M. Then maybe dump Martin and you still have $6.5M to extend Malkin, Letang and Dupuis.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      Good point. With guys like Malkin, Crosby, Letang, et. al. they already have more skill than many other teams. Adding some gritty players like Doan and Tootoo would be a smart move.

    • dtob79 - Jun 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

      So they’re FINALLY in a position to afford a long term elite linemate for Crosby, who just signed for 12 years, and you think they should spend their money on 4th line pieces and grinders instead? Got it.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:45 PM

        If the NHL is reverting a clutch-and-grab game where guys can run interference (which it seems to be doing), then yes, adding some grit would be a good idea

  3. sheckyrimshot - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    preparing myself for anti-flyers sentiment from user name ParisePenetratesPristinePoon

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:30 PM

      Don’t give that clown any ideas.

      • handsofsweed - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        Too late.

      • comradeast - Jun 30, 2012 at 10:46 PM

        Gotta admit, it’s an awesome name

  4. napoleonblownapart6887 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Mrmojorisin – completely agree. I want they Pens to sign him but that seems steep

  5. rockthered1286 - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    $7-8 won’t do it folks. Not when teams like the Red Wings and Wild will offer closer to $9M.

    Still say he goes to Detroit.

    • kingfooj - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:33 PM

      plus the detroit reputation has to be appealing to a clean cut no baggage character like ZP. Money’s on D town

    • polegojim - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:50 PM

      We’ll see… evident that SOOOO many people here don’t want to see him in Detroit.

      I find that entertaining!!!

      Here’s the deal… Holland won’t OVERspend for any UFAs. That’s why the Red Wings have been SO good, for SO long. They spend VERY wisely.

      Do the right thing Ken, we’re behind your proven track record.

      GO RED WINGS!

  6. kingfooj - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    It will be interesting how this affects the demand and price for Ryan and Nash, tomorrow is going to be crazy

  7. vokounviolatesvirginvag - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    if he wants to win he wont go the detroit. hell be in the steel city

    • pshanks62 - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      This is an idiotic comment, Detroit is one of the most storied hockey franchises in all of major league sports, the longest playoff streak in sports, and the most Stanley Cups of any American team. To say that the Penguins have a better line of success is ridiculous, the only reason they’re good now is because a few years ago they tanked on purpose, like punks, to draft the sissiest hockey player I have ever seen, and will probably never play consistently again. So I ask you, would you rather play for one of the most successful teams in history, or a team led by a player that, while talented, will most likely be out of the league in three seasons?

      • bru308 - Jun 30, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        You wish you had Crosby on your team. No way you can say you wouldn’t, besides being a meathead. Ego getting the best of you?

      • handsofsweed - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:43 PM

        Those “punks” and “sissies” went into your house in GAME SEVEN, coldy executed your World Champions and physically removed the Stanley Cup from your cold, dead hands.

      • pshanks62 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:10 PM

        Is it just me, or in 2008 did the Red Wings come into “your” building and win the cup? Did that happen? Oh yeah, it did. So the teams are even in that aspect. And as for “coldy executed your World Champions and physically removed the Stanley Cup from your cold, dead hands.” this literally sounds like the Penguins swept the Red Wings…you’re an idiot if you think any series that goes to GAME SEVEN results in anyone “coldly executing” anyone…and as for Sidney Crosby ever being a Red Wing, that would be horrible for a few reasons, one being he has terrible sportsmanship, unlike the Red Wings who refuse to give into their opponents dirty plays, also no one would I want the Red Wings to acquire ANY player with a history of such concussion problems as Crosby. Now if you’re talking Evgeni Malkin then YES PLEASE BECOME A RED WING! Crosby, no way. And anyway you put it, 11>3.

  8. claysbar - Jun 30, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    While he is a good player, I think the money is better spent with a guy like Parenteau at 4 mill a yr for 3-4 years. Worst case scenario he becomes another Kunitz, 20-30 goals a year. Offer Suter a 6-6.5 mill a yr for 5-6 years. If he takes it great, if not, oh well. Sign a guy like Scott Hannan for a year or two at 2 mill and let the D-men in the minors get ready. Hannan is no stud but he’s steady, experienced, stays healthy, doesn’t take a lot of penalties and he would come cheap. The cap room is here this coming season but the following years there are a lot of UFA’s on the team and dropping two 6-8 mill contracts on the cap is really gonna make this a two line team with Sutter playing with scrubs.

  9. oquintero99 - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    What about James Neal? He had a great season. Would he play along Malkin or Crosby? The fwd positions could get overcrowded if Pitt adds Parise

    • bru308 - Jun 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM

      He does, and will continue, to wing for Malkin. That was pretty successful for both of them last year

  10. martysbetter - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Kind of surprised the Pens are even thinking about adding another offensive weapon in Parise – I’d be more concerned with the complete defensive and goaltending breakdown they experienced against the Flyers in the first round.

    I’m basically getting used to the fact that Parise is leaving, at this point I’d just rather have him land somewhere out of division/conference.

    • thesableo - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:41 PM

      You’d think goaltending would be their first priority. Fleury was atrocious all year, and has yet to live up to his pedigree in my mind. Their de actually played well during the regular season, given the sieve that they were playing in front of.

  11. blomfeld - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    “and Kings who are believed to also be in on Parise” ? …

    @ Yerdon – sorry there pal, but we Kings have scant need for the likes of Parise or that filthy thief Elias … the fact is, that as STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS and the “best” ice hockey team in the world today, all we require at this point is some rest and the opportunity to ready ourselves for next season, when we’ll endeavor do it again !

    • martysbetter - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      This bit is about as cool as dying of a heart attack while taking a dump.

    • pshanks62 - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM

      Yeah, while LAK won the cup I would say they’re far from a complete hockey team. They definitely need some improvements on offense or they wouldn’t have entered into the playoffs as an eight seed, they got hot at the right time and Jonathon Quick played out of his freaking mind, but I wouldn’t predict the same Kings roster to do it again.

    • bru308 - Jun 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

      Blomfield, pretty exciting Saturday you’re having, huh? You, your videos of Elvis, and probably a dozen cats in your apartment- just having a good ol’ time.

  12. rsl22 - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    I’m not a GM (sadly), but I would think for the $8-9MM it would cost, Detroit would be better off playing Semin with Datsyuk and Doan with Zetterberg. Probably the same cap hit or maybe lower, but two players with more manageable and shorter-term contracts sounds like a general manager’s dream.

    Semin never had a legit center in Washington (sorry Mathieu Perrault/Keith Aucoin/David Steckel/Boyd Gordon/etc.), and I really think playing with Datsyuk would revitalize his career. Wings could sign him for less than he should be worth, and will have an huge threat on the wing.

    Parise absolutely has more of the “heart” or “character” that teamates, fans, general managers and coaches alike love, but it’s highly, highly doubtful he has more skill than Semin. Semin is hella-talented, and as a Caps fan, I have no idea how we’re going to score goals next year. Semin was team’s 2nd leading goal scorer each of last 6 seasons, despite, as I said, having no center, not playing on 1st PP, and getting about 25% fewer minutes than top liners.

    Detroit should avoid Parise and his 10-year contract if they’re smart. Parise isn’t Yzerman, they’re stupid and will regret it if they go after him.

  13. GenoPringles - Jun 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Love all this hate coming from all these frightened wanna be Franchise teams. Bla bla bla, the pens have no defense, etc. The Soupcan army won’t need defense after we sign ZP, and score around 8 goals per game

    • stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:07 PM

      Thats what the Capitals use to say when they were averaging 3.8 goals a game (The Pens averaged 3.4 last season by comparison)… look how well thats turned out for them.

    • epictron1 - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 AM

      Defense and goaltending win championships, and according to the first round playoff loss the Penguins have neither. With the signing of Parise the Penguins will still have neither.

    • babykaby - Jul 1, 2012 at 7:49 AM

      They may win the President’s trophy, but it won’t win the Cup. They need defensive help.

  14. purpleguy - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    I now almost hope he signs with anyone but Pitt and Detroit to shut up all the cocky soupcan/octopus fans certain he’ll choose their heavenly team.

  15. buffalomafia - Jun 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    As much as I bust balls on cynthia crosby pittsburgh should be front runners

  16. stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Two things. First, Parise is likely to get monster offers from a lot of teams so I’m not really sure why this is news worthy.

    Second, the Pens can sign Parise all they want and it still won’t solve the problem that got them blown out in the playoffs. They have an over paid, and under performing defense that looked silly against the Flyers. With only $12 million in cap space, signing Parise will pretty much leave them nothing to sure up the back end. On top of that they have a middle of the pack goalie whos making twice what hes worth.

    As we’ve seen over the last few years defense and shutdown goaltending are what win the Cup these days. Having an over powered offense is great and all during the regular season, but Capitals fans will be the first ones to tell you that it can only take you so far.

    • rsl22 - Jun 30, 2012 at 8:11 PM

      An open letter to Pens fans:

      Good luck trying to afford anyone when you have $8.7MM locked-up in each of Crosby, Malkin and Parise (for ten-plus years each with no movement clauses).

      Add $7MM split between two goalies, and then $5MM for Neal (yes, Neal makes $5MM for the next six years with a no trade clause), and then Kunitz, Letang, Sutter…

      They’re at $58MM payroll without Parise and they’re D looks like garbage. If they try to add Parise it’ll be around $67MM. But what happens when the salary cap isn’t actually $70.2MM? No defense, huge guaranteed contracts, and a big ol’ mess in Pitt.

      • dtob79 - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:24 AM

        Cool open letter.

        *their D

      • dtob79 - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:25 AM

        Have you thought about sending this open letter to Ray Shero? He probably hasn’t taken into account the salary cap and the players he has on defense. Quick! Send it!

      • rsl22 - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:31 PM

        dtob79:

        1) I noticed my misuse of “they’re” as opposed to “their” as soon as I hit send. I hate reading other posts with poor grammar, so I apologize for my careless mistake.

        2) I wasn’t writing that for Shero. I would assume an NHL general manager can add. As it said, it was for Pens fans, and for them (you?) to realize that they built their team through the draft (Thanks, Bettman!), not by shelling out vast amounts of wealth for UFAs and hamstringing their future with massive contracts, with endless terms, and no-trade clauses.

        3) You wrote above that they can finally afford an elite winger for Crosby. I agree, Crosby should have an elite winger. However, a winger is the easiest position to draft – Defense, Goalies and Centers are all tougher to find and take much more time to develop. They have Malkin and Crosby, so center is set. Fleury and Vokoun leaves them set in goal. So that leaves either spending on a defender or a winger. You choose winger. Okay, your prerogative.

        If it were my team or my money, I would spend that money on defense.

    • thesableo - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

      Boston and LA won with goaltending, but Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Detroit didn’t have anything near “shutdown” goaltending and they still won. Scoring is very, very important.

      The one thing Pittsburgh has going for them is that they need DEFENSIVE defensemen now, and they’re cheap. You pay premium for offensive defensemen, but with such a stacked offense, they don’t need that. It’d be nice for them, and harder to defend against, but it’s not necessary.

  17. ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Jun 30, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    I’ll take my chances with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Letang, Sutter, Fluery AND Parise if decides to come here.

    -There are always penalty killers and grinders and bottom 4 defencemen to be had on the cheap.

    -First round picks like Despres, Morrow, Pouliot, Maatta will be playing in the NHL in the next 1 to 3 years.

    -If the cap goes down the pens have to let go of Martin (5) Kunitz (3.75) Orpick (3.75) Niskanen (2.3)Kennedy (2)……..AND replace them all with guys that make NO more than a million a year FINE….DONE….that shaves 11 million off our cap in the blink of an eye.

    Game changers like the ones I listed above can’t be replaced .SO….keep the game changers within the core together, fill out the rest of the roster as best you can, and you always have a shot. And, “a shot” every year is all a team needs. Isn’t that right L.A.?

  18. epictron1 - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    How does the signing of Parise make any sense? I’m a Flyers fan, and realistically the Penguins need better defensemen than signing Parise to a long term deal. Is there any real defensemen out there? No, but whoever is available via trade is better than who you have. You could trade for Boumeester or Yandle, both can help defensively.

    Even with Parise, you have to hope to win the cup again in two seasons because then Malkin, Letangs and Orpiks contracts are up. If you extend all of them Fluery’s contract is up the next season.

    I just don’t understand how Parise is supposed to make the Penguins the better team.

    • ucaneverscorenoughgoals - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:24 AM

      Well when you score more goals than anyone else in the league without the best player in the world for 75% of the season you might convince yourself you don’t need to.

      Keep in mind it was the same group of defencemen that were 7th in total goals against just one year earlier.

    • dtob79 - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:31 AM

      You don’t understand how adding an elite wing for Crosby makes them a better team? In his entire career the best wing Crosby has played with was Hossa, and that was for half a year. Can you imagine the damage a line with him and Parise would cause? Followed up by a line with Malkin and Neal?

      The Pens have been drafting defense for a few years now. They have the pieces needed if they want to trade for a top pairing Dman to put with Letang. What they don’t have, and what they’ve never had, is an elite talent to play on Crosby’s line.

  19. ironcity6pak - Jul 1, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    Parise will sign with Pitt and for less money. Why? Because his friendship with Sid and he wants to win a cup. A few teams may offer him monster money but when it come down to cheese, parise like Sid, its not all about the money. It’s about winning and loyalty and being happy for you play for. These are probably 2 of the most unselfish players in the league. Suter whom I would love in a pens uniform, unfortunately is looking for money.

    • rsl22 - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      HA! That is the most nonsensical, nonfactual, biased, absurdly ridiculous statement I’ve seen posted on prohockeytalk in a long, long time.

      Perhaps you could start by reading this from PHT:

      Kypreos says anyone looking to land the Devils’ captain will be asked to pay up with two different $12 million signing bonuses. One will be paid right away up front as a means to protect against a possible lockout, the second to be paid up before next season. Yes, $24 million in the first two years of the deal.

      Then you could realize this:

      He is ditching the Devils simply because IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. If it wasn’t about the money, he’d stay in New Jersey where they just went to the STANLEY CUP FINALS!

      He wants to go to Pitt to win? He won in New Jersey! Pitt lost in the first round, badly! For the second year in a row! They’ve won one series in the last three seasons.

      For loyalty? That is ludicrous! The team that he is SUPPOSED to be loyal to is New Jersey, not Pitt, a divisional rival! He is the captain of the Devils! A captain shopping himself out like a prostitute is NOT loyal.

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