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Report: Flyers enter into “serious” talks for Rick Nash

Jun 30, 2012, 7:01 PM EDT

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According to CSNPhilly’s Tim Panaccio’s sources, the Philadelphia Flyers are once again talking to Columbus about Rick Nash and it is “serious.”

Panaccio added that the main road block is that Columbus wants Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn or at least one of them plus several other players.

After going through all the trouble of uniting the Schenn brothers, it’d be a massive shock if the Flyers actually dealt Brayden. It’s almost as unlikely that they will part ways with Couturier.

Toss in Philadelphia’s less than ideal cap situation and it’s not hard to paint the Flyers’ chances of actually getting something done as poor.

The flip side of the argument is that the Columbus Blue Jackets are, in a way, running out of time. They didn’t deal Nash at the trade deadline or during the NHL Entry Draft. If they can’t trade him away in the weeks after Zach Parise signs, then it’s hard to see any team ever meeting their current asking price.

After being unable to move him so many times, the Blue Jackets might be a little more flexible. On top of that, the Flyers might also feel a little more urgency now that they’ve traded van Riemsdyk and are likely to also lose Jaromir Jagr as a free agent. Besides, the Flyers have a reputation for making bold moves, so can you really ever count them out?

  1. stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    I just can’t see any team meeting the demands Columbus has right now. They are out of their mind with how much they think Nash is worth. If a deal does get done, its going to be for a lot less then they currently are asking for.

    • joebuckiscreepy - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:14 PM

      my thoughts exactly.

    • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jun 30, 2012 at 9:03 PM

      Roenick, Chelios, Belfour, Daze, Zhamnov, and Amonte in their Blackhawk days

      or

      Coffey, Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, and Gretzky in their Oiler days

      wouldn’t be enough for Howson.

    • thedavesiknowiknow - Jul 1, 2012 at 5:09 AM

      It’s the Flyers, bidding on an expensive forward. Kick your feet up- watch and laugh.

  2. jason9696 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Rick Nash has to be one of the most overrated players in the NHL.

    • eigglesnosuperbowls - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:59 PM

      Well so is Zach Parise overrated then, they both produce points at exactly the same rate over their 7 years in the NHL !

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jun 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM

        And Zach is about to be A LOT richer…

      • stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM

        Actually greatminnesota, Parise is probably going to get a deal very similar to that of Nash who makes $7.8 million a season.

      • greatminnesotasportsmind - Jun 30, 2012 at 10:34 PM

        Parise is going to be offered a lot more than that. He’s gonna get at least an offer of 9 million a year, minimum if not 10.

      • lordfletcher - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM

        Greatminn … is correct… Minnesota will be throwing stupid cash at Parise tomorrow. They are writing him a blank check, it’s up to Parise to decide the amount and if he wants to go there or not.

        If Parise comes back home, he will be taking an annual cap hit of around $8.5 or so

    • williplett - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:46 AM

      “Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.” – Jeffrey Lebowski

  3. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    The Flyers would be crzay to give up their future for Nash. Plus I won’t be able to stand seeing one of my favourite players in a Flyers jersey. I hope this is another rumour that will fizzle out by tomorrow.

    • thedavesiknowiknow - Jul 1, 2012 at 5:12 AM

      It’s the Flyers, and it’s an expensive forward. Watch, it’ll be funny.

  4. sknut - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    A realistic GM would lower their demands and move on with the rebuilding. Unfortunaly for CBJ fans they don’t have one of those.

    • lordfletcher - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 AM

      It really depends on what Columbus wants in this deal… Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn is a realistic offer from Howson. Nash is a proven stud! Both Couturier and Schenn have a long way to go. I highly doubt they trade Schenn seeing as he is now united with his brother, so it would have to be Sean and a prospect + pick…. If you have any doubts of Nash and how good he is, watch him in the Olympics and WC’s. He will be a 40 goal scorer again with the Flyers and maybe on the same line with Giroux ?? Nash hasn’t been inspired to play elite level hockey in Columbus for some time… any team will be lucky to get him!!!!!!!!!

      -Wild fan

      • williplett - Jul 1, 2012 at 4:20 AM

        I have to say that I’ve seen a lot of folks bringing up his international play as a way to justify his value, but I’d say what he’s accomplished with his terminally bad NHL franchise speaks louder. After all, he has only two gold medals in seven international tournaments, the WC team he captained in 2011 finished a disappointing 5th and at just under a point a game he’s been good but not amazing. However, putting up five straight 30 goal seasons (and he was only three goals shy in ’06-’07 from making it eight straight seasons) while 1st round pick after 1st round pick tanked, being a dependable leader on a team that made the playoff once in nine years and doing it with virtually no supporting cast is far more impressive, in my opinion.

        Nash stuck with the team that drafted him for years and tried, with no luck or support, to make them a winner. He’s still a hell of a player and I’d be interested to see what he could do playing with higher quality teammates and a front office that has a clue.

  5. phillyphan77 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    I would be ok with sending a 1st rounder, Read, and our 1st rounder that we picked this year.

  6. mclovinhockey - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Flyers offer their entire 2013 draft…. HAHAHAHA

  7. uscthom78 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    G st8 up for Nash. No need to worry about giving up couturier or schenn.

  8. ml3939 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Did he switch from forward to defense? Not sure how this meets a need.

    • seahawks19081 - Jul 1, 2012 at 10:16 AM

      Smartest comment on here. The Flyers need defense not offense. You trade Coots and you lose a guy who can shut down the other teams best player, see Malkin in the playoffs.

      • handsofsweed - Jul 1, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        Yeah, maybe. If you call holding someone to 1.33 ppg “shutting him down.” (Coots IS really good, though and trading him wouldn’t be a good idea.)

  9. vokounviolatesvirginvag - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    try and keep up with the franchise

  10. kingjoe1 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Holmgren would be stupid to trade away Couturerie or Schenn, they are the future. I dont think Nash is a luxury the Flyers need. Unless they send Blue Jackets prospects, like Wellwood, Bourdon and Akeson, it will be too much.

  11. kingjoe1 - Jun 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Holmgren would be stupid to trade away Couturerie or Schenn, they are the future. I dont think Nash is a luxury the Flyers need. Unless they send Blue Jackets prospects, like Wellwood, Bourdon and Akeson, it will be too much.

  12. klink6224 - Jun 30, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    As a fan that loves his Flyers. DO NOT MAKE THIS TRADE!!! The Flyers have plenty of offensive weapons to continue their successful(ish) runs in the playoffs. Get more talent on DEFENSE. The team needs defensive heart. Need to hit, need to return tenacity and fight for their teammates. Sending in Zac Rinaldo to be a kamikaze wrecking ball isn’t going to cut it. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

    • stakex - Jun 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

      A sensible fan right here. Teams that are already heavy in offense shouldn’t be wasting cap, and hurting their future for yet more offense.

      Its the same thing with the Pens going after Parise. They lost to the Flyers in the playoffs because they actually managed to have a worse defense then the Flyers (and goaltending, if thats possible). Thats really saying something, yet instead of trying to sure up the back end they are going after more offense. That sure worry their fans, just like Flyers fans should be very concerned about these rumors.

      • handsofsweed - Jul 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM

        100% agree. It’s like both front offices wear no clothes.

  13. rushledger - Jun 30, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    They won’t trade schenn or couterier Columbus already got bobrosky JVR is with Toronto I have no idea what Philly could offer except a 1st round

  14. jimw81 - Jun 30, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    I dont see flyers getting nash This is all smoke and all about Ryan.

  15. dolanster - Jun 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Can Nash play net? If the answer is “no” then there’s no reason to make this deal.

  16. schuckme - Jun 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Homer for your sake and the sake of the flyers fanbase WALK AWAY!!! this guy is a solid second liner at best and maybe first on some weaker teams (hello columbus) he aint worth mortgaging the future on at all.. say thanks but no thanks and let it go.. if u can get him on the cheap then by all means go for it.. otherwise just let it go

  17. jkaflagg - Jun 30, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    The LA Kings also said there was no way they would trade Brayden Schenn, but when Mike Richards was offered, they pounced – and the rest is Stanley Cup history. Since the acquisition of his brother seems to take Brayden Schenn off the table, teams offering top shelf in-their-prime talent such as Nash or Bobby Ryan are going to insist on Couturier in exchange, and they would be foolish to agree to any deal without him…Up to Holmgren to show whether he has the guts to trade the future to possibly win the Cup right now…..Remember, if Schenn and Couturier fulfill their promise, one day you’ll have to trade one of them anyway; no way you can pay them plus Giroux and stay under the cap……

    • epictron1 - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:53 AM

      Giroux is still under contract for another two years. Even after that contract is up, he’s still a RFA. By then, other contracts will be off the books and the Flyers can proceed with an extension. Looking at Schenn and Couturier, you have to think they will get better, but even in arbitration they won’t get more than $5 million a year unless they are top 5 in scoring.

      I would also like to say the trade for Richards wasn’t the main reason the Kings won the cup. Quick having the best season of his career, UFA signings, mid-season coaching change and trading for Carter had their parts in it.

      I don’t see the Flyers trading for Nash. Mainly because of his cap hit, and he is a defensive liability. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Flyers traded for Ryan. From different articles I read, the Flyers and Ducks had a deal in place until the last second when Murray wanted either an additional 1st round pick or Schenn or Couturier added to the package. I’m going to assume it was for one of the two players since Homer doesn’t value draft picks. Since the Flyers are stacked on offense, they can sit back an wait of Murray to come back with original terms. Meanwhile, Howson is thinking that Nash is the second coming of Gretzky…

  18. icdogg - Jun 30, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    I don’t expect a big splash from the Flyers immediately. Probably they’ll re-sign Carle.

    • epictron1 - Jul 1, 2012 at 12:58 AM

      I think Carle will sign else where. The Flyers have a limit on what they would like to spend on Carle. I think it’s at $5 million, but since Wideman signed for more his value has risen since. I expect him to sign somewhere for about $5.5 or higher.

      If the Flyers lose Carle, I expect them to go more after Bryan Allen than Garrison. With Allen the Flyers will know that the have another physical stay at home defenseman. Garrison is a wild-card since he has never produced like he did last season, and that will push the Flyers away.

      • icdogg - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:56 AM

        It’s possible. Depends on what other teams are willing to pay Carle.

  19. charleslouis99 - Jun 30, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    rick Nash is not overrated if he played with some decent linemates who are motivated to win a championship then he’d be among the league leaders and or points IMO the team with the most leverage would have to be the nyr but idk how much these contending teams are willing to give its really a toss up if howson gets what he wants people will call him a genius besides he’s got all offseason if he wants but the faster the better given looming free agency

  20. Doesnotmatter - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:02 AM

    come on, people, this is the one thing Howson is doing right. The Jackets should ask and get a lot in return for the former franchise player.

    • seahawks19081 - Jul 1, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      Exactly, former franchise player.

  21. andyreidisfat - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    NAsh is a GREAT player. Anyone who doesn’t think so is a moron period. That being said i agree with whoever said it earlier i think the flyers would rather have Bobby Ryan and i still think they can work a deal that lets them keep both young talents they have. I am not against giving up Coburn as i have a ton of faith in Schenn. I just hope they don’t over pay Carle who is a good offensive player but not great defensive guy when Pronger is not on his pairing.

    My guess is Bobby Ryan is a Flyer by weeks end and Coburn or Voracek are the center pieces of the deal.

    • atwatercrushesokoye - Jul 1, 2012 at 2:43 AM

      Coburn’s no trade clause kicked in 3 hours ago, but besides that what was Philly’s shortcoming in the playoffs? If you answered defense and goaltending you’d be correct, not sure giving up a top 4 defenseman for more offense is the way to go in the quest to fix that…but that’s just me.

  22. flyrsftw - Jul 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    Flyers will go afther Shea Weber and Bobby Ryan. Forget about Nash, giving up schenn or coots wont happen.

    • ecmar2000 - Jul 1, 2012 at 9:06 AM

      flyrsftw: You’re the only one who’s figured this out. This is another lame attempt by the CBJ GM to try to drive Nash’s price up, particularly vs. division rival the Blueshirts (NYRs). And you’re ‘bang on (on) the Ryan angle as well as Suter.

      Holmgren is one of the sharpest, most agressive GMs in the league – see his rake job of SH, last year – for Howson to go back to him would be like Pee Wee Herman trying to get a rematch with the Incredible Hulk – ouch baby, very ouch…

  23. seanemac75 - Jul 1, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    What am I missing? Because JVR got traded, the Flyers lost a big offensive weapon? How many games did he miss and how not having him hurt them? The Flyers need to stay the course and let this young team grow before tearing them apart. As far the Pens signing all the top FA, remember the MVP’s contract is up soon. Need to save room for Malkin’s big contract.

  24. grandpoopah - Jul 1, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    I don’t see it happening. I’d rather they stick with the young nucleus they have, sign another cheap defenseman for depth, and load up to go hard after Weber next offseason. Weber is the game changer we’ve been missing without Pronger. Suter is a good player at a reasonable salary (would you rather have Suter for $6.6m or Carle/Wideman for $5.5m?). But he’s not a Weber, Pronger, Chara, etc type player. I’d hate to see the Flyers move Couturier, Schenn, or even Read in order to get Suter. Weber is another story.

  25. thesportsguru7 - Jul 1, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    I think the headlines are wrong. Shouldn’t it be the Flyers are in serious negotiations with Nashville about Shea Weber?! Last I checked the offense wasn’t the problem for the Flyers.

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