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Yeah, the Rangers are still hot after Rick Nash

Jun 17, 2012, 10:19 AM EST

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Before the trade deadline, the New York Rangers were the team that pushed the hardest for Columbus’ Rick Nash. Offers were exchanged and shot down, and the Rangers hit the wall offensively in the postseason.

Now that the Nash trade derby is open again, Larry Brooks of the New York Post reports the Rangers are back in the hunt. There’s just a bit of a catch, however, as Jackets GM Scott Howson may be asking for guys the Rangers won’t dare move.

The question now, as it was in late February — when Columbus GM Scott Howson got greedy and demanded a combination of players including Chris Kreider; Derek Stepan or Carl Hagelin; Ryan McDonagh or Michael Del Zotto; plus Brandon Dubinsky and a first-rounder — is what the Jackets will be willing to accept and how much Sather will be willing to yield in return for the 28-year-old winger, whose numbers on the ice have never quite matched the hype attached to him.

Brooks says the whole discussion could end if the Rangers offered up Chris Kreider but there’s a better chance of turning lead into gold than that happening.

It was reported yesterday Columbus’ asking price was for a package around four or five players including roster players and prospects. It’s a stiff price for a guy whose production has slipped in recent years and comes with a $7.8 million cap hit til 2017-18. Is the Rangers’ need for offense so big they’ll take the cap hit and punch to their roster?

  1. mclovinhockey - Jun 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    I hope the rags offer kridder, dub, del z and Stephan for Nash. I know it won’t happen but it would completely destroy the rangers.

  2. scionofflame - Jun 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Howson is insane. I really hope nobody takes these offers and he’s forced to reduce his asking price.

    • freneticgarfieldfan - Jun 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      I fully agree. Hell no, I even hope Howson sticks with his unhappy face of the franchise, that would be funny.

    • hermanbates - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

      Hmm. I agree he’s insane, but I feel like he’s gonna be closer to his asking price than hockey fans that aren’t CBJ fans care to acknowledge. Someone will pay up big for Nash. Just not sure who.

      • daerian - Jun 17, 2012 at 1:16 PM

        As a secondary CBJ fan (I’ve been a Penguins fan since the mid 80s, living in Columbus), If Howson can’t get a king’s ransom for Nash, I say don’t trade him. Fire Howson instead! Keep Nasher, bring in a new GM who isn’t a dope, draft BPA for the number 2, and build with an actual plan. Why is Craig Patrick not the GM again? Or even President?

      • biasedhomer - Jun 17, 2012 at 1:34 PM

        If a new GM comes, he should still trade Nash. Nash is not the right direction. He will be 29 and the team looks to be bottom feeders for quite some time, Plus Nash has already said he wants out. If he continues to say that, he will end up with minimal trade value since other GMs have the upper hand in negotiations.

      • claysbar - Jun 18, 2012 at 1:42 AM

        Patrick got a VERY big reputation as a GM for dumping the prior season to Mario, and then letting Patrick rape the Hartford GM for Ulfie and Ronnie. He then proceeded to hire his family and friends to run the team which led to another decade of bad picks and trades. AND THIS FROM A PENS FAN.

      • claysbar - Jun 18, 2012 at 1:49 AM

        Wow, I’ve had a few!! Patrick dumped the season that led to Mario. Patrick made the trades that led to the first two cups. Between all that was a POOR draft record, lack to attract and retain, KEY players, while after his hiring of friends and family, really failed to build a minor league system that led to the eventual bankruptcy and failure of the system. This from a Pens fan

    • obamablowz - Jun 17, 2012 at 2:58 PM

      I don’t understand the MANCRUSH you people have for Nash. He’s an average player!!!!!!

      • ecmar2000 - Jun 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

        You’ve nailed it, he’s a good player but not an elite player.

        Biasedhomer: Do your homework! He just turned 28, yesterday – I guess you’ll have to wait until June 16, 2013 for that 29th birthday…

  3. devilsfan54 - Jun 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    As a Devils fan, as long as McDonagh is out of the division, the kid blocks an egregious amount of shots per game, I wouldn’t mind seeing Nash 6 times a year.

  4. broadstbully33 - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    do it ranges i would rather worry about one 30 goal scorer on the rags then play 3 solid lines…after ur top 2 lines then what they just recycle the 2 lines

  5. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    My guess is Howson will stubbornly insist on Kreider being in the package, which the Rangers will never do, and once again this Nash-to-NY thing won’t be happening.

  6. rangerblood - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    DONT DO IT! Sometimes the best moves are the ones you dont make. I would love to have Nash, but he is not worth what they are asking

  7. pshanks62 - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Columbus should have taken the rangers offer at the deadline, no way they get a better offer in the offseason when more options are available…it’s reasons like this that Columbus will always be a second rate hockey team.

    • hermanbates - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      Wrong about the better offers. Parise doesn’t want to go to NY, Radulov is on his way to Russia, and no one else is in the discussion. Plus, no one wants to blow up team chemistry in the middle of a season, therefore the options are more scarce than the offseason. Now they can afford to move a Stepan or a McDonagh and their chemistry isn’t ruined to where the season is ended.

      • budvw14 - Jun 19, 2012 at 8:03 AM

        Afford to move McDonagh???? Did you watch even one Rangers game this year? This kid was in his first full season and was one of the best shut down defensemen in the league! He’s just as untouchable as Kreider! Best offer CBJ gets from Sather is Dubi, MDZ, prospect, and a pick.

  8. nydaniel - Jun 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    I wouldn’t trade Kreider for Nash straight up, let alone as part of a package.
    He’s YOUNG and full of potential, Nash has some good years left but he’s not a kid anymore.
    Gut the team and get Nash and you’ll spend 2-3 seasons rebuilding, at which time Nash will be past his expiration date.
    2 players and a prospect not named Kreider, that’s the limit.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      Homers & Kids and the things they come up with

  9. fiyeaglesfiy - Jun 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    No way Kreider should even be a consideration…he’s younger, cheaper, faster and a good fit with our current roster. Sather has to know that his best offer should be Dubinsky (who would be a requirement as to take on Nash’s contract, would need to dump his), Christian Thomas, choice of defensive prospect (note, not an active roster player, but we have some great young defense men coming up in our system) and a first rounder…any thing more should be no deal and target a guy like parise as a free agent instead.

  10. nycprbro - Jun 17, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Dubi, mdz, thomas, erixon, 1st and 2nd rounders for nash. Sealed, signed and delivered.

  11. chiadam - Jun 17, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Do it, Rangers. Then Nash and Carmelo can form a support group for overrated players that promising, young New York teams destroyed themselves to trade for.

  12. pone27 - Jun 17, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    I am really puzzled with some of you guys talking about Nash’s value here, and I am being nice saying it that way.

    First off, he is NOT old, Nash is 28! Secondly, the guy can easily be a 40 goal scorer. I mean, do any of you guys who claim to follow the sport (not just your favorite team) even know how nasty of a sniper this guy is? I am personally not a Nash fan, but I would be a moron to say that the guy is not a top Winger in the NHL, right up there with Hossa, Kovi, Ovi, etc.

    Look at who he has played with the years he put up sick numbers. That right there should say enough.

    Now, as far as trading for him goes, he is worth no more than 2 prospects and 2nd line F or a top 6 overpaid player to compensate his his high cap.

  13. east96st - Jun 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    The ignorance on this blog is mind blowing. PLEASE – we have a casino going up here in Columbus. Will some of you come here and play poker with me? Easiest money I’ll ever make.
    1) Nash is an outstanding player on a horrible team. You’ve watched one or two CBJ games and you’re an expert? You’re an idiot. Any decent team that gets Nash will be getting a stud and an outstanding guy in and out of the locker room.
    2) Of course Howson is asking for the moon. 11 years of futility here in Columbus. He can’t give Nash away or fans will, literally, march to Nationwide and demand his job. Nash is respected here for everything he brought to the team and the community. A six pack and a draft pick ain’t going to cut it.
    3) Any of you ever heard the word “negotiations”? Here’s how it works – you have something of value you need to get rid of. You ask for something outrageous in return in the hopes that someone stupid will give you the moon. If no one bites, you started from a high point, so you can negotiate DOWN. Let me put it in terms you clowns can relate to – when you apply for a job shoveling fries, do you ask for only minimum wage, no benefits, and no vacation days? Or do ask for something more and hope you get it? You ask for more, even though a chimp can shovel fries and you have very little leverage. What Nash can do is a bit more rare. So, Howson has quite a bit more leverage than you do at McDonalds. Someone will pay and will get a good deal. I strongly doubt anyone will pay as much as Howson is asking, but then I didn’t pay as much for my house as the seller was asking, or for my cars, or for my hotel rooms, etc., etc. If you want something, you ask what it costs. If it’s too high, fools just walk away. The smart ones pull out their wallet and say, “That’s a bit much, but I think we can work something out.” and then they go to work bringing the price down to where it’s a solid deal.

    • freneticgarfieldfan - Jun 17, 2012 at 5:23 PM

      “you have something of value you need to get rid of” – that’s exactly the bad starting point. Nobody disagrees Nash is a good player. The disconsensus is the trade value. And that’s by far not where Howson thinks it would be.
      Personally I agree with the “he is worth no more than 2 prospects and 2nd line F or a top 6 overpaid player to compensate his his high cap” of Pone27 one post before.

      • east96st - Jun 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM

        “you have something of value you need to get rid of” – that’s exactly the bad starting point.’

        Really? I thought that was the basis of every transaction in this country and 99% of the world. This is still a capitalist society, right? Don’t car manufacturers need to sell cars? Doesn’t your grocer need to sell the milk on his shelves? Seems to me “something of value you need to get rid of” is the starting point for every cash, credit, and/or barter deal ever made. As to what Nash is worth, that, like most things, will be determined by the market. His value is exactly what one NHL GM is willing to part with to get him. Your opinion, mine, and Pone27 regarding his value are completely irrelevant. We’re not in the market and, therefore, we can have no impact on the final price. The ONLY opinion that matters is that of whichever team he ends up on.

    • fillyphan - Jun 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      Is this Scott Howson?? Come on Scott.. I know that you are pissed because we are all saying that you could be the worst GM that has ever sat in a front office. It’s ok that you are mad though. I would be if I traded for Carter in an incredibly lopsided deal and then had the player cry his way to LA. How could you have known.. Right?

      And your really bad drafting abilities. Not your fault.. You have scouts right? I would be angry as well. And now people are questioning your ability to put together a trade for your hallmark all-star and people are giving you a hard time about this as well ( hang on.. Gotta flip the Big Mac.. There we go). Anyway. You have to make up for all of your incompancies from the last few years.. Right? I mean.. Just between you and me you are trying to trade 1 guy (that isn’t named Gretzky) for 4 guys.. And some picks?? Bit much.. Dontcha think buddy? Don’t worry about the owner.. He doesn’t know jack about hockey.. He obviously let’s you do as you like without repercussion.. You know like that Nash comment where you called him out in front of world media.. Really making him look like a selfish idiot.. Then expecting people to just breeze over it. Don’t worry about it though.. No.. Every one doesn’t think you are stupid or make fun of you.

      On a serious note. Thanks for that great business technique as you are obviously soooo much smarter and better then everyone else on this site (the McDonalds) comment hinted me in.

  14. cgspens - Jun 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Look at all the players the CBJ have had on their roster who played in the play-offs and in the Stanley Cup final. They played with Nash and they all played down to Nash and his level untill they were traded. Gut the Jackets front office and start over from top down.

  15. thomasborut - Jun 17, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    I have been a Ranger fan since 1953. (tells you how old I am). You have an oath from this old
    f(..)t! If the Rangers trade Mcdonagh, Kreider or Del Zotto for anybody…and I mean anybody…I will never again root for the team. Trading the future for a maybe or for a has-been is beyond dumb. It qualifies as being moronic.

  16. cardsandbluesforever - Jun 17, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Nash has said on 3 separate occasions that he will not play for an eastern conference team. i dont know why people keep overlooking that.

    • stakex - Jun 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM

      Chris Kreider; Derek Stepan or Carl Hagelin; Ryan McDonagh or Michael Del Zotto; plus Brandon Dubinsky and a first-rounder for Rick Nash is a joke of a trade. Nash is a good player, but hes NOT a super star… and I’m not even sure a super star would be worth that. That would be three top players, plus a solid 2nd line player, and a first round pick. Thats a LOT for a guy who has only avereged 32 goals / 64 points the last three seasons.

      Its also worth noting that:

      1. Kredier might end up being just as good as Nash. Just look how well he played in the playoffs this year, with no previous time with his teammates and absolutely zero previous NHL experience. Imagine how good he could be given a full year to develop. Of course really good prospects have flopped in the past… but that seems very unlikely with Nash.

      2. Speaking of playoffs… Nash has played in a total of FOUR playoff games in nine NHL seasons. Kreider played in 18 with the Rangers, and scored more playoff goals then Nash has playoff points. While that is helped by the fact Columbus has been an awful team, it hurts Nash’s value. No one really knows how good he will be when it matters most, and that should scare any team that wants him.

      3. Last year Stepan had just 8 points less then Nash…. and he would likely be the 3rd best asset in the trade Columbus wants. Wow.

  17. bwayblues79 - Jun 18, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    I like east96st, because he’s one of the only people talking any sense on this thread. You guys who call Nash washed up, past his prime, or any other number of ignorant names are the same fools who s*** all over the possible free agency signing of Brad Richards. “He had a concussion! He’s too old! He’s overrated!” Meanwhile, many of you ran to the Team Store to buy his jerseys after he scored the GWG in the Winter Classic and posted 66 points in 82 games in what can easily be called an average year for him. Anyone who watched this season saw that Richards has steps still to take, but was a big impact on the squad.

    I suppose you all want Glen to take on a few more average free agents, put forth another slightly above-average effort in the playoffs, and go out in the second or third round? Because that’s the best you can hope for if we don’t offer a decent package for any established scorer (Nash is one of the few available) with Gaborik on the sidelines for the first two months of the season.

    I’ve got news for all you Rangers fans out there (and I’ve been one for more than 30 years). If we don’t win the Cup in the next two years, it’s probably going to be at least 10 years before we have the chance again. Lundqvist is in his prime, but won’t be five years from now. If Hank doesn’t drink from the Cup before he’s a UFA in 2014, he will seriously consider signing elsewhere because that’s one man who won’t accept retiring without at least one ring on his finger.

    All this said, McDonagh has shown over the last two seasons that he is the franchise’s best defenseman, no offense to Staal or Girardi. I doubt he’s going anywhere. I highly doubt Kreider’s going anywhere either (nor should he). For all the great things Stepan and Hagelin do, we also held onto Petr Prucha for several years too long based solely on an outstanding rookie campaign. In eight full and one lockout-shortened season, Nash has averaged 34 goals and 30 assists. These players rarely become available on the free agency or trade markets. Therefore, in my opinion, he is easily worth Dubinsky, Stepan or Hagelin (but not both), Erixon, another prospect, and a first-round pick in 2012 or 2013. You could maybe offer Anisimov to take one prospect from the offer. This will give you three legit scoring lines and the best possible chance to bring a Cup back to Broadway.

  18. bwayblues79 - Jun 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Revised offer, since I re-read that and saw it was a bit too much: Dubinsky, Stepan or Hagelin, Erixon or McIlrath, and a top pick for Nash. As east96st said, it’s supply and demand. Everyone knows we’re willing to part with Dubinsky. Like it or not, you have to show you’re willing to part with a good piece of your team (i.e.: Stepan or Hagelin) in order to swing a deal of this caliber.

  19. SharkCircle - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Do people here not realize how good Rick Nash is? If I’m the Rangers I’m not excited about trading Kreider or Mcdonaugh, but Stepan, Dubinsky, Del Zotto, etc, whatever the package may be, Rick Nash is a great player, you don’t get him for your scraps or one second line player.

  20. yearsbehindhockey - Jun 19, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Rick Nash’s goal against Phoenix. Argument ender.

  21. zaksyuk - Jun 24, 2012 at 6:10 AM

    Dosent anyone feel bad for columbus? Look at the division lol i mean cmon. St louis, Nashille, Detroit and Chicago and you wonder why they are so bad. Wait nvm i dont feel bad at all GO REDWING’S !

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