As for richie and Carter, flyers thought they were top line centerman and winger and gaved them those contracts. It didn’t work out with those two clowns, so they move on. The flyers were redeemed in kings run because it just proved they are second line players and got great value in return.

Let me start by saying I don’t want the Flyers to trade JVR. He deserves a chance to show he can play he did in the playoffs two years ago when given a healthy start. It was clear as day that he was having issues skating with power last season. The explosiveness was not there given his injuries.

However, to state fire Holmgren and that Richards and Carter were the team’s future is absurd. This was Richard’s and Carter’s team and they had their chance.. I could care less about their off ice lifestyle or their refusal to join “sober island.”

First Carter- A guy who was supposed to be a top flight power forward minus the power. A waste of a big body. The only hit I ever recall him delivering was when he caught a devil’s rookie with his head down in the crease about 3 years ago. Some nights he was great, others I wondered where he was. I don’t care that he scored 8 goals in the King’s playoff run, he still was inconsistent. He made numerous poor plays but they are less noticeable in a winning effort.

Richards- Was a stud in the Flyer’s cup run. Played very well for the Kings in the playoffs. Also, beyond Pronger’s injury was the main reason the team collapsed in the second half of his last season with the team. His play was horrid at that time. Ultimately I think he is a very good player but he definitely lacks leadership skills. In the NHL 36 episode featuring Richards, this clearly showed when he told the referee “you’re awesome” on his way to a stupid unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. For a league veteran he sounded immature and pathetic.

But the biggest revelation with Carter and Richards in winning the cup was they were not meant to be “the guys” on a winning team. They were auxiliary parts to a Stanley Cup winner. The team belonged to Quick, Brown, Kopitar and Doughty first. The Flyer’s are clearly Giroux’s team, and Pronger’s if he can return via a miracle. Those two are so distant from Giroux talent wise and clearly lack his leadership ability. And remember, this season was Giroux’s first chance to lead the team. So citing his suspension in the playoffs for a hit that lacked better judgment is not so valid. He was a guy clearly taking the reins of his team at numerous times but frustration got the better of him at that point. I will accept that from a first year de facto captain.

As for the talent the Flyer’s received in return- Couturier is a future Selke winner with offensive ability that barely had a chance to surface last year. He has a great shot. His offensive ability will flourish once he gets second line minutes. Voracek also has tremendous upside. Find a single hockey expert that would not insist the Flyers fleeced Columbus in that deal. Simmonds is a power forward who should score 30-35 goals regularly. Schenn will be stud as well. He showed glimpses of it this year. He seems to have more of a goal scorer’s knack than Richards did early in his career though Richards was more defensively refined. And the Flyers have a very late second round pick coming to them as well. Either way, they again walked away with the better part of the deal.

The only thing that is kinda terrible is your thinking.

Remember what they wanted from the Rangers? A 1st round pick, Dubinsky, Kreider, and either McDonagh or Del Zotto. Thats a lot, and JVR would be nothing more then simple filler in any Flyers trade for Nash. They would need to be willing to part with a top tier player, and likely a good prospect for Columbus to even start talking to them.

as for the Nast comment… Nash has never had a team to play with. Give the dude a chance. It’s hard as an elite level winger to alone take a team to the playoffs when your GM ruins everything with every signature he makes

JVR and something for Nash wouldn’t be a bad trade for either team and fits each others needs.